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Women actually hate ugly men despite what they say

Whisperinthelair
January 5, 2023
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I see a lot of posts on Reddit about how ugly men should improve their personality or how some girl knows a 4'11 balding ugly Indian man she likes but it's because he's funny and charming and respects women but today I want to show women's true feelings for ugly men. Women absolutely hate ugly men, it's in their nature to do so. Breeding with an ugly man means carrying unattractive children, it goes against their primal instincts. The reason women hate incels so much for example is because it's a group of unattractive men complaining about their situation, which to women means complaining about getting rejected aka not accepting they're gonna die alone which makes women automatically suspect and fear rape even if it's not the case. Another example is how women will treat any unattractive man that posts his face with some confidence on this site. r/teenagers is one of the only honest places you can find women's opinions, i posted myself there when I was younger and I got roasted mainly by women. and

When they're young they don't lie and gaslight as much. Now let's show some actual scientific evidence that women hate ugly men:

Women feel sexual disgust when even talking to an unattractive man https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317273311_Disgust_Trumps_Lust_Women's_Disgust_and_Attraction_Towards_Men_Is_Unaffected_by_Sexual_Arousal

70% of women would avoid someone solely based on their looks, compared to 31% of men

https://highstreetgent.com/2017/06/09/the-tables-have-turned-when-it-comes-to-dating/comment-page-1/#comments

Women care more about looks then men and lie about it more:

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/EastwickFinkel2008_JPSP.pdf

A man's personality only matters to a woman if he meets her basic looks cutoff first

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-019-00195-z

Women are less likely to use a condom with an attractive partner

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/6/e010883

A man's masculinity and physical attractiveness predicts a woman's chance of orgasm

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513811000250

A man's physical attractiveness to other women predicts his partner's chance of orgasm

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886915001002

It's obvious from this that looks are indeed most important and that women do feel strong disgust towards unattractive men. Now I'm not supporting the black pill as average men can still do well I'm just showing the truth about women see unattractive men. Although unattractive men can still maximize their chances by going overseas or getting rich.

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Title Women actually hate ugly men despite what they say
Author Whisperinthelair
Upvotes 39
Comments 104
Date January 5, 2023 5:04 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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Comments

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Some people are going to dismiss all of those documented facts the way right wingers dismiss CNN and the mainstream media.

"But my gut says all of that is wrong!!!"

SMDH

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Mainstream media does actually twist facts around or leave out information tho. All American media is biased.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Funny you'd say that. That means you can just boo at all sources and never have to provide any of your own... it hurts your credibility, really. Plus it leaves you open for the same nonsense back at you when you provide sources.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like to look at the actual studies and such myself and do my own research outside news articles. News articles are just a useful tool to share information in a accessable way.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've rarely ever run into a news article that actually misrepresented the study, much less failed to include a link to it. YMMV I guess, always trust but verify.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 6 points7 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. All that shit they say about personality and other bs and just downright lies.

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[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Here ya go:

https://youtu.be/u_bkizmTAPw

There are literally thousands of videos just like this on YouTube of women trying to gaslight the shit out of ugly men by telling them looks don't matter.

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 4 points5 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

The biggest talking point is that they say personality is the most important thing. That is a blatant lie

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[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 2 points3 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

No, that is not correct. Females are not attracted to kindness or intelligence if the guy is ugly. Kindness and intelligence are negatives.

Mean dumb as fuck jocks slay

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[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 2 points3 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Someone who breaks the law and bullies is objectively mean. It is also well known that females like dark triad traits. There is also an epidemic of domestic violence. Females are attracted to the unkind

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[–]hutavan 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Claim: Bad guys who are attractive slay

TsugaC: Nuh-uh. Doesn't happen.

What about these ones? They fit the bill.

TsugaC: Yes, but they don't count.

Repeat on every thread

[–]HateSpeechFanBoy 0 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say all. The fact that females are attracted to criminals and thugs means that females are not attracted to kindness.

If domestic violence is described as an epidemic it doesn’t mean it is fringe either.

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[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I've been told by women looks don't matter multiple times.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Show me. Link to it.

Most of the times I've heard a woman say that "physical attractiveness is not important to women" it has been in unrecorded real life conversations. I'm guessing most men will tell you the same thing, so it will be hard to have evidence of that.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

Because it doesn’t happen. This is a ridiculous construction from red pill men that they use on one another to ensure that their misery has company.

 

Crab bucket lies about women:

“Women don’t care about looks”

“Women prefer jerks”

“Women never make the first move”

 

These are lies about women men tell one another. Get out of the crab bucket and talk to actual women.

[–]Electronic_Leave_477 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So women do care about looks?

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Obviously. Physical attraction is a factor for most humans. Women aren’t a separate species from men.

[–]Electronic_Leave_477 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Blackpill confirmed

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

“Women don’t care about looks”

You're not going to believe me but I have heard, many times throughout my life, women say physical attractiveness isn't important to them or it hardly matters to them.

“Women prefer jerks”

I don't know if all women like bad men (I hope not) but I think a significant percentage of them do. There is no other way to explain why many serial killers, literally, have fan clubs and why bullies and jerks are often sexually successful, to a greater or lesser extent.

“Women never make the first move”

On that I agree. Women can indeed make the first move. It doesn't strike me as a common occurrence though.

“Women think emotionally; men think logically” (the complete opposite is true)

If you say women are the rational ones and men are the emotional ones I disagree. I think both genders can be quite rational and quite visceral depending on the context and the individual.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

You're not going to believe me but I have heard, many times throughout my life, women say physical attractiveness isn't important to them or it hardly matters to them.

Did those women date ugly men? Believe them. Did they date attractive men? If so, is there something wrong with your internal processor?

There is no other way to explain why many serial killers, literally, have fan clubs and why bullies and jerks are often sexually successful, to a greater or lesser extent.

There are equal numbers of men enamored of female criminals. There wouldn't be a "Don't stick your dick in the crazy" trope if men weren't perpetually fascinated with the crazy.

 

It doesn't strike me as a common occurrence though.

When men are roaming public spaces hitting on 100 women for one "Okay, here's my number so you'll fuck off and leave me alone so I can earn a living/shop/work out, when would women ever have a chance to approach men? Or a need for it? When humans fill a bird feeder, birds don't look for food. When men relentlessly and indiscriminately hound women in every public and private venue, why would women need to go looking for men? Women can't fucking escape men if they wanted to. They can't even pay for women's only spaces because men hang out there trying to entrap women who let their guards down.

 

If you say women are the rational ones and men are the emotional ones I disagree.

It ain't women punching holes in walls, murdering the parents of their unborn children, protesting drag shows, rioting during and after sporting events...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did those women date ugly men? Believe them. Did they date attractive men? If so, is there something wrong with your internal processor?

Men are brought up with the idea that physical attractiveness is not important to women. It's quite questionable to try to blame people for believing certain lies or half-truths when from an early age that's what has been instilled in them. I think it would be simpler if, like you, the rest of women accepted looks are important to them.

Did those women date ugly men? Did they date attractive men?

Funny enough, here you are telling me one of the golden rules of the red pill: "Don't trust women's words. Watch their behavior." Although I prefer this: "Don't trust people's words. Watch their behavior."

There are equal numbers of men enamored of female criminals. There wouldn't be a "Don't stick your dick in the crazy" trope if men weren't perpetually fascinated with the crazy.

At the beginning you claimed that "Women prefer jerks" was a lie, but now you seem to accept that there are indeed women who prefer them by telling men also show this tendency. Why do you have to negatively involve men to accept an unpleasant aspect about women?...

I agree, many men also show a preference for "bad girls", although I don't know of any examples of criminal women with fan clubs, do you have any?

When men relentlessly and indiscriminately hound women in every public and private venue, why would women need to go looking for men?

This is very speculative. If men stopped courting women so insistently would the scales even out and we would have some sort of utopia where both genders make the first move equally often? Would everything just cool down, no one would make the first move and we would become like Japan? Would women, on a general scale, court most men or would only a small percentage of them get that kind of attention?

Anyway, again you are telling me something that is said a lot on the red pill: men should stop being such simps and stalkers.

It ain't women punching holes in walls, murdering the parents of their unborn children, protesting drag shows, rioting during and after sporting events...

Women can also be quite emotional. I have no equivalent for wall punching but I know cases of passion crimes where mothers have murdered their own children, women try to cancel TV series, video games or comics because one of the female characters is scantily clad or something similar and women have gotten pretty wild in feminist protests around the world.

Did those women date ugly men? Believe them. Did they date attractive men? If so, is there something wrong with your internal processor?

Without going too far, here you were kinda visceral: you tried to insult me.

So, I agree, men are not the ultra-rational and logical creatures many red-pillers boast. If you think women are the ones who should hold that title you're wrong too for me.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Men are brought up with the idea that physical attractiveness is not important to women.

No they aren't. Men want to believe this because women frequently reject offers of sex, so men surmise, incorrectly, that women don't like sex as much as men, and they want to assume that physical attraction isn't important. These are lies men tell themselves, lies men tell one another. Crab bucket mentality. Men can clearly see with their eyes that women have preferences, but their emotions are too tender and volatile to accept the fact that the women they crave, don't crave them back.

 

"Don't trust people's words. Watch their behavior."

Can't trust men's words, because they have made up all sorts of myths about women which protect their ego. Can't believe women who will say anything, any lie to protect men's ego and guarantee their safety. Women nearly always tell strange men they don't find attractive "I have a husband/boyfriend/fiance/I'm gay". Half the time those are lies to keep themselves safe from men's wrath and retaliation. But why in the hell would you believe men? They have no idea what women want. They don't want any competition so they say all kinds of crazy shit to men to keep them from succeeding.

men should stop being such simps and stalkers.

Yeah, couldja? It sucks.

 

This is very speculative.

If you've never been popular, this is what you would think. Ask a popular, attractive, charismatic man if "he never gets approached".

Women can also be quite emotional. I have no equivalent for wall punching but I know cases of passion crimes where mothers have murdered their own children,

Yeah you fucking do. Homicide is the leading cause of death for pregnant women. Absorb that shit deeply into your bones.

...women try to cancel TV series, video games or comics because one of the female characters is scantily clad or something similar and women have gotten pretty wild in feminist protests around the world.

Yeah, women have kids to raise and hope against futile hope that their pre-teen daughters also have a chance to enjoy media without fearing being raped by crusty old perverted men.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm bout to get hate for this, but fuck it.

Ugly woman experience this too, men are more willing to be violent to ugly woman, I've seen this on many occasions and I'm pretty sure you guys seen it in your own experience. I doubt I've seen an attractive woman get domestically abused on video.

Men usually pump and dump ugly woman.

People in general care less about a woman if she is ugly. When a woman get's kidnapped or disappears, whether or not it goes on news is based soley on a woman's attractiveness.

I just think society hates ugly people in general.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ugly women can get a relationship easier and also sympathy and help from society.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't think they can get into relationships easier, they can get hookups easily but not relationships

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's false. 'Very unattractive' women are more likely to be married than other women https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X17302204?via%3Dihub

Being unattractive reduces men's chances of finding partners, but not women's

http://www.reis.cis.es/REIS/PDF/REIS_159_07_ENGLISH1499424514902.pdf

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will sadly take this Lose.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // your genetics = your fate 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

over

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

men are more willing to be violent to ugly woman, I've seen this on many occasions and I'm pretty sure you guys seen it in your own experience. I doubt I've seen an attractive woman get domestically abused on video

That's true but attractive or atleast above average looking women do also get abused.Only difference is man do it easily with ugly one.

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sure there are attractive woman that get abused physically but there's more risk for men to abuse a beautiful woman.

I've seen on many occasions that men don't "white-knight" for ugly woman who are in a fight with men

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen on many occasions that men don't "white-knight" for ugly woman who are in a fight with men

Good point.I noticed that too

[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, absolutely. Ugliness effects women to and honestly if someone thinks otherwise they aren't truly blackpill/redpill.

BUT, I will say that ugliness doesn't effect women as severely as men. Particularly in the dating department.

[–]Peacesquad 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Never listen to women. Watch what they do. That’s the only way you understand their true nature. They barely understand themselves

[–]doorframer 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lookism is a thing. Same way many women won’t date someone shorter than them, or someone who’s disabled. Doesn’t mean it’s impossible to find a partner, but the hill is much harder to climb. All we can do is take it on the chin and keep pushing. Moping and whining about your situation, while understandable, doesn’t help.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Guys,here's truth.

Money matters.Thats it lol

[–]carpetfoodie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just become an ATM bro!

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does, but looks matter more

[–]Last-Post20851 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Money matters.

It doesn't in 2023. Maybe pre 90s when we still had traditional nuclear families.

[–]osco753 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

💀💀💀

[–]hudibrastic 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They still matter, but the threshold is much higher now

[–]Green-Quantity1032 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would avoid someone based solely on their looks, I'm a man.

I've seen women talk to dudes I wouldn't shake hands with.

Women don't hate ugly men, they just don't wanna fuck them.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lookism prejudice is very real! They ain't gotta date those guys or fuck them, just wish they'd stop being so damn RUDE to them. How fucking hard is it to just be CIVIL??

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For women? Impossible.

[–]puririnpa 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

why did my mom mary a fat ogre looking guy?

also, it's not just 4'11 bald indian complaining, 5/10 5'10 white/black/asian
guys with nw0 still bitch about this shit on incel forums even though
the problem is their autism, i understand dudes who are genuinely 2/10
like blackops2cel or something but you gotta admit a lot of incels are
just average looking non-NT guys

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When it comes to women, poor aesthetic quality will harm you but non-NT will destroy you.

[–]puririnpa 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

it even destroys women, most autistic girls i know have few friends

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Doubt.

[–]puririnpa 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i got no_bling and one other guy's pictures on incel forums if ou want proof of them not being subhuman.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm subhuman. Lol. And I know a few others.

[–]puririnpa 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

again some are truly subhuman but a lot of it is autistic normies

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth

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[–]carpetfoodie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Teeeheee

[–]ElectricBugs 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is it any different to what men say about women? Men get turned off women for far more reasons than women do men.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The studies I linked prove otherwise.

[–]Hot_Bunch_6931 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look’s definitely matter. I have to be physically attracted or I’m not even sexually aroused! I tend to date low to Medium ugly men. Or average. I’m kinda picky so you have to atleast have a nice body. Doesn’t need to be totally buff but atleast a little something to feel on. My current guy is about a 6-7 and has a nice body. He is smaller than me. I’m more curvy but he loves it.

[–]philseven12 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is the gospel truth, ugly men make women sick

[–]Rook_Cross -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have a serious complex of some sort. For your sake, I do hope you get help, genuinely. You are not hated by all women because you are ugly. A teen subreddit is not the place to get honesty. That you think it is, just shows how out of whack you are with reality. Women generally do sense aggressiveness from men who complain the way incels do, their hatred seeps through and more often then not, they openly say they hate and want to hurt women. It's a no brainer. People tend to treat less attractive people differently then they do more attractive people. Men avoiding ugly women less isn't because men are nicer people, but because they're more willing to be promiscuous and, they have less to fear from women physically, in general. How can they maximize themselves by going overseas if they're ugly and all women hate ugly men? Do the women overseas not hate them? Having more money comparatively won't make you physically more attractive. When I said you have a seriously complex of some kind, I meant it. I guess "complex" might not be the word. but you have severe negative thinking problems. You're looking for ways to prove women hate you, whether or not the data you show means that or not and it doesn't. For example, many women liking attractive men more, does not mean they hate you, or even necessarily that they like you less. You hear women like some men more than others and automatically assume that means they hate the others. You go to the extreme negative. Stop doing this to yourself and poisoning others with this. I'm sure some women hate ugly men, just like some men hate ugly women. I wouldn't be surprised even, if you're projecting a bit and hate ugly women yourself and assume the same must be true for them. Stop making yourself miserable with this stuff, especially when it doesn't even prove what you think it does.

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[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 4 points5 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Being unattractive doesn't effect women's success in dating.

Also I've been told by women looks don't matter and it's all personality multiple times. http://www.reis.cis.es/REIS/PDF/REIS_159_07_ENGLISH1499424514902.pdf

[–]puririnpa 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

i mean women are pretty brutal to bald, short(at least as hort as 4'11) and indian guys, literally ''bobs and vagene'' was a normie meme clowning exactly this type of guy.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

yes, which means there'S not gaslighting happening there.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Wdym?

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

basically, no one says 2/10 men get pussy, it's moreso that a lot of incels actually look normie

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You'd be surprised. Females will trash ugly men then give minutes later tell them it's just their personality.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

i was bullied for being ugly myself so i don't do that, i prefer prettyboys for dating though, (too bad none in my area)

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Lol just prove the black pill but at least you're honest.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

This study does not claim that women don’t care about looks. It’s a very dense and comprehensive study which does note differences in preferences across classes for both men and women, but it does not reveal that women do not care about looks.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The study proves being unattractive doesn't effect women's success in dating.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

It does not say that. Even if it did, it isn’t the topic of your own OP.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

It is.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

The topic of your OP is whether or not women “hate” ugly men. How men feel about women is irrelevant; men have always wanted women more than women want men.

You have yet to demonstrate a single woman claiming that women don’t care about looks. Not in all your pages and pages of bluster have you proven that women ever made that claim historically or currently.

[–]Whisperinthelair[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Check out the comments to any of my posts.

[–]Kappador66 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Shows most guys here don't talk to women irl much.

Girls irl are very adamant about what features they find attractive. And short, balding, autistic, curry and janitorial work are definitely not on that list.

[–]hutavan 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

And while you’re at it, link to or post any woman claiming they prefer ugly men.

Literally the third link in the post lol

Not to mention one of the most common talking points on reddit/among anti-blackpill crowd.

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

None of the links say anything of the sort.

[–]hutavan 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women stated earning prospects and being personable as more important than physical attractiveness. If you paid attention, OP didn't say that women claimed they "prefer ugly men", that was just your strawman. He said women claimed personality is more important than looks, but that looks end up being more important in reality. That's also in line withthe study.

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