"Women don't owe you anything."

EulenWatcher · 2022-08-09T06:54:10+00:00

"Women don't owe you anything" is about individual women not owning you anything. Just like an individual man doesn't owe anything to me or any other random woman if they aren't friends, lovers or family.

Paying taxes isn't about individuals owning to each other though, it's about society overall. And for society it makes sense to help the disadvantaged rather than to leave them be, because it often doesn't end well. I do think that things like DV shelters or cheaper health insurance should be available for all genders, but where I live there are a) very few shelters for women and there are non-gendered shelters just for people in need although they're mostly religious-based and b) health insurance programs aren't much different for men and women. Sometimes some clinics provide free mammograms and stuff, but they also have similar events for men's health usually related to prostate. In fact a quick google search shows it exists in the US as well.

From your own link about that terrible story, it seems the founder of male DV shelter had more issues with finance and the state not supporting him rather than with feminists. There's literally nothing about feminists in the article itself. It's awful, sure, I wish he got more support and his shelter would actually get financial help from the state.

MarBitt · 2022-08-09T09:54:12+00:00

This is the same as when someone claims to be independent, but someone else argues that they could not survive without other people, so we're all totally dependent on each other.

Both can be right, it's a matter of perspective.

In the welfare state, the state takes over part of the original role of the man. Financial support for mothers with children, protection for all.

As a result, it may seem to some that men are less important. Just as someone can pretend they are independent and don't need other people.

It's not true, of course, but it's convenient for individual people to pretend it is.

Glad-Discount-4761 · 2022-08-09T04:34:33+00:00

I agree too.

Only thing they owe you is giving birth to your kids.

I remember when talking to one guy about marriage.He asked me what I wanted in marriage with man.I gave typical woman answer like protecting, taking care of whatever.

Then he asked,"What I will do for him?".I said sex lol.

He replied,"Besides sex,what else"

I said ,"Maybe cooking foods or massage him" He replied,"Yeah but you can get that by hiring maid"

After this discussion about what are man benefits in marriage, divorce law,jobs,what it takes to be man.My perspective changed.Now I no longer see marriage as special like I used to before nor I should expect marriage from man randomly .

I realised what hardship man has to go through.I remember in my college,they were providing special scholarship to girls,one boy was like ,"That's not fair" he was working at 2-3 jobs to pay college fees while my dad was financially able to pay my college fees still I was getting scholarship for it.

Woman should only owe you if they married you young and have kids.

2022-08-10T21:20:32+00:00

Welfare benefits those who need it, the child benefits from welfare no matter what gender the child is. A single father raising a child would receive the same benefits for him and his child. Healthcare, likewise - is for both genders.

And why does this exist? Because on a selfish level, people want to live in a relatively peaceful and stable society. On an altruistic, people dislike other individuals suffering.

The issue of men not receiving enough help for abuse is a different matter. It's about how society views men and women which has unfortunately prevented them receiving protective measures. Welfare can, and should address this.

Comfortable-Unit-897 · 2022-08-10T01:52:56+00:00

I will expound upon this. Nobody owes you a damn thing.

Marzipan-Happy · 2022-08-09T05:00:26+00:00

Anybody in the right income bracket can get a Pell grant for college. Just saying.

Also, under the ACA prostate exams and colonoscopies are free gentlemen!

Also, if a man bails on his kids, he should pay child support. If she leaves with his kids, and there's not abuse involved, that's a whole different story.

IHateNormis · 2022-08-09T11:52:46+00:00

I think it is sad that we live in a world where no one owes anyone anything now. Doing selfless things is literally one of the things that separates us from other animals. We don’t let the disabled or the elderly to fend for themselves and die, even hundreds of thousands of years ago in cavemen times.

Fuck this feminist mantra of “women don’t owe you anything”

rurunoa · 2022-08-11T02:09:19+00:00

yeah women dont owe men anything and men dont owe women financial aid (but they do owe it to the kid)

SaltyGeekyLifter · 2022-08-09T05:06:25+00:00

We support single mother’s because we are supporting the child by doing so. Many children will reach the educational level that their parents have so obviously we want that level To be high. We support people going to school and becoming productive because they become more productive for society and pay more taxes. I left the USA thank god we have much better social systems where I am now and everyone men women, children, elderly, disabled, everyone is better for it.

Drive-By-Cuckers · 2022-08-09T14:46:53+00:00

Women aren’t more likely to get into college anymore. Tons of private schools are mostly female and get mostly female applicants, especially liberal arts schools are more likely to accept men than women with the same grades

RealNiceLady · 2022-08-09T11:36:18+00:00

OP, this is such a whiny post.

gilamonster69 · 2022-08-09T09:18:18+00:00

Hell yes!!! Already in nature the life of a male is worth less then a female.

Title	"Women don't owe you anything."
Author	Antisocial_Nihilist
Upvotes	27
Comments	61
Date	August 9, 2022 4:17 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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