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You are not ugly, you are not genetically cursed, start looksmaxing, fuck the black-pill take the white-pill

July 29, 2022
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Title You are not ugly, you are not genetically cursed, start looksmaxing, fuck the black-pill take the white-pill
Author Gaycunt453
Upvotes 19
Comments 29
Date July 29, 2022 2:55 AM UTC (4 months ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AllPillDebate/you-are-not-ugly-you-are-not-genetically-cursed.1139727
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[–]Antisocial_NihilistRedPill 7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

There is definitely an argument to be made that a lot of Blackpill dudes are not doing everything they can do get a date. I've seen this for myself being involved in the "manosphere" for like 2 decades now.

They admit to being overweight, not taking care of themselves, ect. Those are things they can change. Being at a healthy weight, for example, is pretty much a requirement to even be considered as a dating prospect to most women if your face is below average. Being overweight is pretty much a death sentence for your dating life if you are even average looking in some places.

But we should also resign to the fact that there is also a lot they can't change. And those things they can't change may very well be deal breakers for pretty much all of thier potential dating prospects.

[–]FightMeCthullu 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s when things feel unfair, or a system feels unfair, there are a couple of key reactions: Get better (try and join the unfair system but in a way that favours you) Get bitter (wallow in the misery and don’t change anything) Or change the system.

I think getting bitter is the easiest choice for a lot of people.

While it’s true that there are just some things you can’t change, I think one thing you can always try and change is your attitude.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing wrong with changing the system. How do we know we cannot change something if we don't try.

Funny thing is when I say I want to change the system people assume I don't want to change myself and wallow in my misery which I don't understand

[–]FightMeCthullu 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’m all for changing the system I’m just pointing out for many people they choose get bitter.

Yeah look people are asses for assuming shit but unfortunately a lot of changing the system revolves around how you present your ideas for change. And a persons own outlook on the world.

For an extreme example: I’ve seen someone argue that the way to solve the issue of men feeling sexless/alone is to cap the hours a woman can work per week so they HAVE to depend on a man and create a relationship with a man.

Like they definitely wanted to change the system, but their way to do so was to restrict the rights of women. And for me, reading that I got the impression they were bitter because their idea of change was based on making sure women had less so they could have more. Their change wasn’t based on benefitting everyone, just men. If that makes sense?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The way I want to change things is by changing the media we consume instead have media depicting healthy people in healthy relationships from diverse background, teaching people ethics and relationship skill, and teaching people the science of what romance really is and isn't. Why not cap hours of both men and women so they have more free time to pursue each other. Make people want to want relationships.

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here’s what I’ll say. Most men have the ability to change enough to where they can get a girlfriend or wife in the future and start a family. The problem is that this may take a lot of time and require many resources depending on the situation.

For example, if there’s a 22 year old guy who’s completely broke. Has recessed and small jaws, crooked nose, with a skinny fat body then it’s going to be hard. However, the solutions are out there. Making money, saving up for surgeries to correct the facial deformities, and then hitting the gym and eating right for a few years. At this point I believe this person would be in a fine position to attract a woman and more than that they’ll have newfound confidence through solving these problems they once thought were insurmountable.

[–]beeyootiful 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Blackpill thinks everything is 100% looks based on the fact that a non-zero number of women have been desperate enough to agree to a "date" with a male model profile pic + creepy texts on an app that was established to meet with strangers to get your rocks off. This is obviously not representative of most women or social interactions, and doesn't have much to do with dating or marriage anymore than when a man calls an escort or scoops up drunk women from the bar at last call.

A lot of blackpilled ppl have an extremely repulsive completely dealbreaking personality/attitude without me knowing anything about how they look (and often they just have BDD) Imagine spending "quality" time with a person that is emotionally disturbed, supremacist, insecure, literally hates women and has bizarre ideas about them. At best you'd have to be their mother.

[–]no_bling_just_dingWhitePill (self aware MSTOW) 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

on the fact that a non-zero number of women have been desperate enough to agree to a "date" with a male model profile pic + creepy texts on an app that was established to meet with strangers to get your rocks off.

aw geez, those blackpillers really overemphasize looks, don't they?

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think there is a lot that can be changed facially though. Jaw surgery can transform someone’s face quite drastically and it also has loads of health benefits. Rhinoplasty can improve someone’s appearance as well if they have a big or crooked nose that is unharmonious with the rest of their face. Something like MSE can expand the palate and make the Midface wider resulting in wider cheekbones as well. Those are just some examples, and you don’t want to go overboard with surgery of course, but there are many solutions out there for the facial problems that people face.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm 5'6", autistic (though I have a nice face) and I was always overweight as an adult and managed to get 9 lays. When I snagged a hot gf, I was 160+ lbs (that's a BMI of 26+) with 23.8% body fat 37.2% muscle mass according to my digital scale. My body fat % probably fluctuated higher than that at times while I was with her.

But I had to work *very hard* for those 9 lays. So I can understand why a lot of men want to give up. Particularly if they have similar disadvantages to myself or even bigger disadvantages (ie. ugly face in addition to being an autistic manlet).

Online dating is very unforgiving, especially in 2022. And IRL approaching is riskier than ever now because you never know when some crazy bitch will get out her phone and start recording you and try to make you go viral. The #metoo movement in the past 5 years has been getting out of control.

I've been *serious* about trying to date within the past month or so. I started losing weight early February. I ballooned up to 168.2 lbs back then (27.5 BMI) @ 29% body fat, 34.7% muscle (digital scale reading. Anything over 25% bf is considered obese for a man in his 30s). I went on a diet. I started lifting again with my 15lb dumb bells at home. Then in early March I got lazy with the weights and stopped lifting. But managed to get back to 156 lbs (25.4 BMI, still overweight, 24.5% body fat, which is 0.5% removed from obese but still overweight, 36.7% muscle). Then I took my foot off the gas and started eating like shit again.

Then my hot Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) ex-gf contacted me 2.5 months ago after breaking 4+ years NC to bitch me out. I woke up with morning wood the next morning. That was probably the first time I had morning wood in like a year probably. Then I kept getting morning wood. So a week after that I felt determined that I was going to try my best to become a *Manlet Chad* to either win back my ex or try to get another hot gf or die trying. Then I joined a gym July 13th and started lifting the heavier weights and noticed my bf% drop even more and muscle mass % go up more.

Fast forward to yesterday and on the scale I'm down to 143.8 lbs @ 16.2% bf, 41.6% muscle, 59.1% water. My 7-day average is 141.9 lbs @ 17% bf, 40.9% muscle, 58.1% water. These percentages are in the "good" category for men in their 30s. As men my age put on more fat and have a harder time putting on muscle than young men 18-29. My waist circumference is down to 81.3 cm (32"). Though I was 82.4cm (32.4") 3 days ago. So its possible I was a bit more dehydrated today than 3 days ago. Since it's hard to legitimately lose over a cm in your waist in 3 days. I've also been running every other day since July 3rd to try to get my calorie deficit even lower. I am trying to leanmaxx my way towards getting six-pack abs while lifting weights to prevent losing muscle while in calorie deficit.

I got myself a lifetime membership of Bumble Premium on June 29th. I got myself an annual subscription of Tinder Platinum July 1st. I got 6 months of Badoo Premium. I even bought an extra 30 super swipe and 30 boost pack on Bumble for a discount (to be fair I only used 1 of each. I have been saving these for use in the future. As I get 5 super swipes and 1 boost a week from my membership anyways). I bought an extra chat on Badoo at a 75% discount. I farmed some free crushes (super likes) on Badoo watching their video ads. I even put down $79 USD on Photofeeler to get feedback on my pics (though I still have 603 unused credits).

Funny thing is, after months of self-improvement and a month of trying hard with online dating, all I'm getting is interest from landwhales and ugly women. I even lowered my standards at times messaging fat women. And have been rejected. At my local gym, I see lots of young men there on a journey towards self-improvement. And very few women. The weight room is almost all men. The women tend to do cardio. And there's very few women at the gym overall.

I take very good care of myself now for a man in his 30s. Yet I see women my age let themselves go and get offers of Chad penis all the time. While some women are on the apps just to get attention, no doubt some of the women who don't reply to me or who ghost me are getting Chad and Tyrone dicked. And then they start thinking in their head that just because they can get Chad penis, they can get Chad's commitment.

So from my observation young men are trying to improve themselves. While women are mostly just sitting on their ass eating bon bons. Women mostly feel no motivation to self-improve. Because they can get Chad cock on Tinder despite being a fat ass in 2022. Shit like that makes me wish I was gay. And I have put my pics on Grindr as an experiment and have received tons of compliments from men and have been hit on men a lot so I know I can get Chad dick even better than the fat ass foids. And here I am busting my ass and walking away empty handed when it comes to getting women. Yet I see fat ass bitches get Chad dick with no effort. Heterosexual dating is a scam in 2022.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro your inspiration thank you for sharing

[–]lectrohS_naisA 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a short autistic man, this is why I don't put much effort in anymore. It doesn't feel like your efforts are justified. Spending years and years in the gym to get that Zyzz body only for most women to ignore you anyway since you're only 167cm or Asian and not white. The only thing I try to do is keep a healthy weight and not be overweight.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Frame. Money. Lift.

Do that, and leave the apps, brother. Go old school.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

No gym for your face. You're showing men who had great bones and low face fat at normal weight who were overweight or underweight..

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

There are many ways to change facial structure if you look into it

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

What are you talking about? There's only surgery

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

You have to dig deep to understand but surgery is also an option yes.

[–]BitsAndBobs304 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

what are the other options? taking a moving bus to the face? provoking mike tyson?

[–]MasonSub4BlackPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would say about 70%-80% of incels and blackpillers can become attractive enough to attract woman, but those few guys who are deformed, short or disabled will struggle even if they looksmaxx.

Unless you are deformed, short or disabled, don't dare call yourself an incel because you have no excuse.

[–]TriggurWarning 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being neet is also not a boon to their case either.

[–]BoogersAndSugar 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It'll definitely improve your number, especially the guys who are just fat, lazy, etc. That said, there's only so low a guy can be until a guy is still below average after years of intense effort, like if he's 5'1, or on the extreme end of the ugly side. I was a case of the latter, and it took extensive plastic surgery until anyone was finally interested in me. And I do mean literally anyone. Around 4 months after my 3rd surgery, I went on my first date...with a woman who weighed over 400 pounds, was confined to a wheelchair, 23 years older than me, had serious acne scars and a whole host of mental problems. The women I was able to date got consistently more attractive with each surgery after the 3rd.

[–]mymanhenry84052255 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can I ask what surgeries you’ve gotten? I’m a big advocate of surgeries for those who need them. I will probably get a rhinoplasty myself and maybe something else but I need to start making money first lol.

[–]Eyesofmalice 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The black pill is the only way out.

[–]flametown 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ima wait for the race change patch instead, ty.

[–]SaltyGeekyLifter 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is basically the red pill message.

[–]gilamonster69 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know this applies to the ladies, but i don’t think it applies to men. Real men are not supposed to be aesthetically pleasing to the eyes unless they’re batting for the other team.

[–]Gaycunt453[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You think conan the barbarian, batman, alphadestiny are not aesthetically pleasing

[–]kokorwqac -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of men get offended when i tell this to them

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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