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Rituals and Drama in Victorian-era (1800s) Courtship -- An academic take on the development of early Shit Tests similar to their contemporary counterpart

April 3, 2014

Thought you all would appreciate a more academic approach to the history of shit tests as we understand them in contemporary society.

Drama and Rituals in dating Victorian era

It's a pretty easy skim through, none of the concepts are complex for anyone looking with RP goggles on.

Some easy background before reading:

The Victorian era is during the tail-end Romanticism and post-sentimentalism. Romanticism and Sentimentalism incited citizens to embrace emotions during decision making and to determine morality of actions. If it felt right to do, it was morally good.

Brief Summary of the paper

Parents were no longer as involved in the courting rituals of their children. Men and women were going out and trying to figure out what they wanted the most. As it turns out, this isn't as effective as the old way of courtship. Women developed partner fitness tests to weed out the men who actually loved them or were just playing coy. This eventually led to a very heavy usage of jealousy as a shit test. Women particularly would try to make their primary suitors jealous by telling him that there were other men chasing after her and that she had options. While many of the men would cave and just profess undying love and their concerns over losing her, feeding into the broads attention, some of them used dreadgame (this is at the end of the chapter) to great effect.

For those of you are inclined to try to read this but don't have the time for so many pages, I recommend 166 - 170 and the last sentence of 185 to - 191

What I'm trying to get at by showing this piece, is that very little has changed in the dating game once we get back down to fundamentals. Women are emotional and believe in a love that is impractical because of their pursuit of emotional bliss. Men just want to fuck and plenty of them fall in love during the pursuit of lust. Parents used to keep this shit in check, but now shit-tests are used by people courting one another. Parents were the shit test experts because they knew what would make their child happy longterm.


Victorian-era relationships and two centuries of embracing emotions as a moral compass paved the way for the modern day shit-test.

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Title Rituals and Drama in Victorian-era (1800s) Courtship -- An academic take on the development of early Shit Tests similar to their contemporary counterpart
Author DeckofLuckyStrikes
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Date April 3, 2014 12:26 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]sir_wankalot_here 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Good stuff :-)

What I'm trying to get at by showing this piece, is that very little has changed in the dating game once we get back down to fundamentals.

The difference between strategy and tactics. Strategy is timeless, a tactic is applied strategy.

Sun Tzu's Art of War is strategy. So to break a stronger enemy you attempt to isolate him from his allies. Once this has been achieved you do a continous series of small attacks at his weak points, the purpose is to weaken him. Meanwhile you attempt avoid a direct fight with him at all costs. Once the enemy is weakened then you move in for the kill. This is timeless.

Sun Tzu then gives examples using ancient weapons and ancient logistics. This is an example of a tactic.

Timeless advice from an old reprobate gave me. All women are subseptable, just some require more work then others. No woman is impossible, I just have not figured out how to crack her yet, I like a challenge. His relatives are still trying to figure out how many bastard children the guy has. The old fart somehow managed to seduce one of his caregivers who was a nurse. How the hell he did that is a mystery. The nurse was 1/4 his age.

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[–]VZPurpIconoclast of Betatude 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on how much time you have and how interested you are in trying. Gaming all types and extensively yields experience with which to sharpen your social skills.

For efficiency and effectiveness, however, I tend to work on women who give immediate signs of attraction (i.e. women attracted to me for my looks and subconsciously display that through immediate alteration in behavior). My time is quite limited right now so I defer to this, but there is benefit from working on harder cases, where you have to build more attraction in your seduction.

[–]sir_wankalot_here 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The male is the hunter, the female is the prey. So VZPurp strategy has its merits, go for the easy kills.

Visibly hostile could be a shit test. I don't have any evidence for this except antecedal. A feminazi is a whining opportunistic woman, versus a strong woman wants a strong man. I suspect subconsciously she is testing men.

A good hunter is partially an opportunist as in he tracks many prey at once. Also that way he has more time to work on each individual woman.

[–]blazingblue161 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

What irks me are the girls who look at me disgusted, even when I have no interest in them. This generally happens on the dance floor not so much on the streets. On the streets uninterested women just look away to the side.

They aren't the best looking either, which angers me even more. Other times girls are into to me and I prefer that or neutral girls.

So, what compels you guys to go after girls who are playing hardass? They come off unpleasant and a waste of time to me.

[–]FugitiveAlpha 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason reason people climb mountains.. The satisfaction that you faced that challenge and came out victorious. Not to mention, what fun/challenge is there in bedding a women that gives you "fuck my eyes" the second you walk up. Sure I'd not turn down an appropriately attractive woman doing that. But you would learn much more from conquering the shrew than i do from petting a puppy.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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