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The death of the hipster could be the rise of a return to a more masculine culture -- one that will find men venturing deeper into a RP mentality

June 23, 2014
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Just read this piece of the end of the hipster:

http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2014/jun/22/end-of-the-hipster-flat-caps-and-beards

Interesting bits:

Return to "normcore"--a style of dress that is very simple and rejecting of the skinny jeans and overly-stylized forms of dress.

It sounds like a joke but, says Sanderson, it might actually might be a thing: "It's the opposite of what people think is hip now, but it's also very masculine – which ties in to the return to blokeiness."

As I understand it, the feminization of men in the "hipster" arena will likely push more people into traditional roles of masculinity. As is the case with most trends, people who follow one will end up following another. In this case, the prototypical characteristics of TRP (dress well, think for yourself, internalize alpha male characteristics, etc.) will find its way into the trending style of attitude and fashion.

This isn't to say that all "hipsters" are feminine, although through anecdotally experience, hipsters tend to at least visually present themselves in more feminized ways. A return to masculine behavior, interests, and dress could very well lead to a surge in RP-like realms.

"I think hipsters will have an overhaul. There will be a downturn in this skinny-jean, long-haired feminised look over the next few years owing to the rise of the stronger female role model," says Chris Sanderson." And in its place? "A more macho look, almost to the point of caricature, in a bid for men to reinforce their identity."

Chris Sanderson is a futurologist and co-founder of trend forecasting agency The Future Laboratory.

If that quote is to hold any weight, we can already see many men attempt to adopt alpha RP behaviors that can be considered caricatures. The problem is that, like the hipster, many will just be faking it until they man. My fear is that RP becomes the next avenue for these trend followers. It may take time, but an approach toward masculinity might quickly label believers of RP as the new social trend of out-of-place men.

I'd like to know what some of you think about this theory, keeping in mind the growing rate of followers over at /r/TheRedPill

tl:dr Hipsters may be flocking to RP and we just don't know it yet, pushing the boundaries of masculinity into a behavior and style that will simply be comedic.

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Title The death of the hipster could be the rise of a return to a more masculine culture -- one that will find men venturing deeper into a RP mentality
Author DeckofLuckyStrikes
Upvotes 27
Comments 19
Date June 23, 2014 1:20 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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[–]TRPsubmitterKorea Expert 22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My fear is that RP becomes the next avenue for these trend followers. It may take time, but an approach toward masculinity might quickly label believers of RP as the new social trend of out-of-place men.

I can already see this happening. I mean, TRP went from 2k when I joined to almost 60k now. It's now well known on Reddit as well as the internet. Pretty much anyone who regularly browses Gawker sites, Tumblrs, whatever knows of this new "man" movement and either hates it or loves it.

My contention is with the wannabe, combative youngins who tend to screw things up. I already see rhetoric of guys using army terminology like "taking up arms" and forming a "militia" to battle women, figuratively. I think most of these are guys who agree with TRP but have no experience of actually ENJOYING sex and time with women. Women are hard to deal with but the right ones are great to spend time with. These guys probably would rather sit and complain rather than go out and pickup a girl if they had a choice.

[–]jakethesnake76 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Back in the day us real cowboys called this class (dime store cowboys) , go into a store and buy the boots ,hat and belt buckle and try hard as a cowboy . But had never ridden a horse ala urban cowboy, etc..Look out for Hollywood huh?

[–]IllimitableManillimitablemen.com 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]aaron_the_justAlreadyRed 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. Hipsters are busy reading RoK; those of us in RP are trying to figure out how to develop TRP into a philosophy that can be sensibly applied to LTRs and marriages on a man's terms.

[–]JohnnK 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hipsters aren't masculine, they are feminine. Changing the way they dress isn't going to change the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that media and society have bred them this way, this is now who they are.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The article mentions that the word hipster is commonly used to describe someone who lacks authenticity. So, if a hipster is someone with little or no integrity, then I agree that changing their appearance won't change who they are. However, if the trends of society reflect it's values, then a trend toward more masculine appearance could indicate a return to masculine values.

[–]roflin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I think recent trends in the development of hipsterdom confirm article's premise. Things like cold shaving, beards in general, tattoos, the pirate with a pipe look etc. its both hipster and masculine, and indeed many young hipsters I know tend to also be more mascuilne in their ways of thinking. The hipster of today is a right wing elitist who reads nietzsche (neo-reaction is very hip for example).

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[–]vox_veritas 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You become insincere (“ironic”) about everything in your life, to the point where you have plausible deniability about everything. You are insulated from all forms criticism because you never actually take a stand on anything and you always have an out (“I liked it ironically”). It’s easy, disingenuous and safe.

That is a great fucking observation. I've struggled for a while with articulating what irks me so much about hipsterism. You've hit the nail on the head.

[–]chakravanti93 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's solipsism.

[–]everyone_wins 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I agree that the hipster dress is generally feminine, but skinny jeans are not feminine. Just look at masculine George Washington or a bull fighter

My point is that form fitting clothing is not necessary feminine and that showing off the form of one's body can actually be considered more masculine than feminine since usually it's only the males in the animal Kingdom that have sex ornaments, human males being no different.

[–]RebootedMale 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wear skinny jeans. No big deal. Some black v-necks too (not the super low cut undershirt variety).

[–]puaSenatorPromulgator of Endorsements 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I learned some really great advice a few years back which is that it's all about a masculine/feminine balance. So for instance, on guys that look overly masculine, they'll benefit by wearing more feminine accessories and clothing (think Russel Brand), meanwhile, if your current wardrobe or physical features too feminine, you got to offset it with more masculine things like tats, piercings, and so on.

[–]10pack 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or you could stop carrying around a man purse.

[–]chakravanti93 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem isn't the showing of form. The problem is the form being shown. "Skinny" will never be a masculine.description.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Real recognizes real." Meaning, fakers will be easily outed; By us and women.

[–]drallcom36 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Hipsters are simply people who try to be individualistic by any means possible. That's a concept that will never die.

Oh, and try taking off your sleeve tattoos, hipsters!

[–]UnimpressedAsshole 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hipsters are people who try to be individualistic by any means possible besides being their own individuals

ftfy

[–]RebootedMale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Contemporary hipster culture has largely co-opted queer culture, a subset of gay culture which presents as hyper-feminine and campy.

They stole their entire presentation wholesale from another subculture. That's how 'original' they are.

If you don't mind poaching girls from strangers, look for the feminine HB8+ that is 'hanging out' with (dating) the stereotypical über-hipster with beard, flat cap, large glasses, skinny pink capri jeans, et al.

I've discovered that these girls are often hungry for a real dude. An dominant , in-shape, red-pill guy is the change of pace that they are looking for.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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