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Woman love to be validated and beta men will line up to provide this to them. My view on a post on r/theredpill

SwimmingDutch
April 26, 2014
25 upvotes
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I was angered after reading a recent post on theredpill:

Step one: (pretend to) be a woman (no tits where shown)

Step two: pick a subject you know men love ie "blowjob"

Step three: tell them how you were a bad girl but you are now "reformed" and are a good cock sucking girl.

Step four: Watch the validation role in: 400+ votes at the moment and around 252 comments. "She" even edited the post and ended with a :) to show how happy she was with the "discussion" (attention/validation). Hell, thinking more about it, have you ever seen a smiley on the redpill????

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/23ycm5/a_womans_perspective_on_getting_a_blowjob/

I believe this post should have been deleted by the mods as only a month ago this was posted:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/218db5/tits_or_gtfo/

Perhaps we could ask u/IllimitableMan to try hammering in even more Machiavellianism into the redpill as we should try to look deeper into the possible reasons for the actions of people. What do they have to gain by there actions.

Do you agree with my premises that woman who post on the redpill do so with the "basic" or "back of the mind" intention of having themselves be validated by being "different and/or better" than "the rest"?

Do you agree that they should not be allowed to post at the redpill and the post should be deleted/ moved to redpillwoman?

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Title Woman love to be validated and beta men will line up to provide this to them. My view on a post on r/theredpill
Author SwimmingDutch
Upvotes 25
Comments 32
Date April 26, 2014 1:50 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit /r/AlreadyRed
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Woman love to be validated and beta men will line up to provide this to them (or "how to troll r/theredpill")

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April 26, 2014
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[–]fuckingkike 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think it might be good to have the occasional free-for-all thread with a theme like "where TRP philosophy is going wrong" or "female TRP lurkers, what are your thoughts about TRP as women?" the way /r/guns limits politics to one thread at a time to keep the forum from drowning in shit while still letting the kiddies splash a bit in the mud puddles.

[–]cascadecombo 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

female TRP lurkers, what are your thoughts about TRP as women?

What sort of things could we gain from a female perspective on males who are working to better themselves, maintain frame, and navigate the sexual marketplace? As in, what could that sort of post offer to benefit in ways or ideas that haven't been discussed, that won't end in women posting to get validation or the newbies rushing to validate the posts?

[–]Sy87 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What sort of things could we gain from a female perspective on males who are working to better themselves, maintain frame, and navigate the sexual marketplace?

Some aspects of bettering yourself, and all aspects of maintaining frame and navigating the sexual market place are social by nature and women are more apt to seeing the social game and manipulating it in their favor. Women can certainly say something about sexual dynamic that is valid from their point of view that either confirms, denies, or alters your opinion. However, the most insightful of these posts would still be valid even if not headed with "As a woman..."

[–]WhisperAlreadyRed 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

try to look deeper into the possible reasons for the actions of people. What do they have to gain by there actions.

Do you agree with my premises that woman who post on the redpill do so with the "basic" or "back of the mind" intention of having themselves be validated by being "different and/or better" than "the rest"?

So what?

Why do I care why someone does what I want, so long as they do it?

There is no such thing as altruism. Everyone does whatever they do in the hopes of a reward, even if it is the intangible reward of feeling good.

[–]blazingblue1617 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The issue with that thread is it was trivial.

Essentially the whole post was redpill 101.

I am a women and I think blah blah blah. Men shouldn't beg for blowjobs, right boooys?

The OP didn't provide any profound insight to the female perspective. All "she" did was reiterate what men at TRP are looking for: to gain back their balls and get them sucked.

Also another issue is the 821 upvotes 259 downvotes ratio. If some noobie posted this the response would never be this high. People would probably be telling him to read the side bar.

So SwimmingDutch brings up a point, a post by a "woman" especially if it panders to redpill theory will be instantly popular despite the quality of the content. This happens in seddit too.

This is a reason why this particular subreddit branched off from TRP, we do not want the signal to degrade and the exclusion of women helps keep that goal inline.

When women invade male dominant spaces they fuck it up. Examples: female dating coaches, gamer girls, "nerdy" girls, female programmers that got in because of their gender instead of their ability to program and fuck up spaces like GitHub.

It would be great if women could adhere to male standards and values but they don't so they degrade ours if we let them, which happens a lot when we lose frame due to the allure of pussy.

[–]johnnight 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On female programmers:

They do not understand that being a programmer is not a job like all other jobs. No, it's a dedication, it's a fixation on solving puzzles. One has to sacrifice his life. One has to become that, which has no (social) life at all.

Why so? Because nobody pays you to learn new stuff on your job. You have learn it in your free time, which means sacrificing social time. Only Low sexual value dudes, who have no social time are eager to do it. Beta things like reading up on frameworks on a friday evening, because you have nothing better to do and you actually like this stuff. This is the point: you have to have a built-in fascination for these nerdy things, which just so happens to be a prevalent trait of the male mind. Your ancestor was smashing flintstones to make a better spear, because his mind made him fixate on this task. He was mental and had to do it, while other primates had a "life".

So, women, who go into IT quickly learn that they can not keep up with the no-lifers. They choose the easy marketing/HR jobs in the IT business, which require people skills, but there are no female developers, because it's not a "job".

[–]redpillschoolOriginator 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was removed when it came to my attention. I wasn't a fan.

[–]AdmiralVonJackass 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sub getting hard to QC. 50k is a lot of people.

[–]CptDefB 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I think /r/TRP's popularity removes it from the kind of "male oriented space" it started as. This isn't the only sub to branch off from /r/TRP with the goal of maintaining core ideas. There are even subreddits dedicated to RP theory that slam the Machiavellian doctrine you mention, saying "TRP isn't about manipulating people" or whatever. It reminds me of religions splitting into denominations over their differences.

"ohay trp worked on me guys!", or "zomg, I'm from the other side, but I totes agree with your side!" ... okay, that's cool, but are you sucking my dick now? Do you have friends willing to do so? Here, have a cookie and go be occupied.

I guess you could say I'm indifferent. It's up to the individual to take from it what they will.

On one hand, you could say women infect/degrade male oriented spaces (they do), on the other, you could say her post was a reflection of RP ideology and the entire story wouldn't really relate if it was from a man's perspective.

Look at it. Analyze it. Take what you want from it. Discard the rest.

The upvotes of other people don't have much to do with me. The "signal" is strongest outside of reddit, anyway. These various subreddits are just a great way to aggregate mass information to shape my perspective, as opposed to just one individual's point of view (a blog) or my own potentially misguided interpretations (life).

[–]TheStoneyVibes 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yeah dude. I went to check out trp yesterday after a month of just sticking to redpill books, and theres people on there complaining that you HAVE to be a muscled Adonis before you can have the confidence level to approach and close. I tried explaining the fact that as a chubby brown kid in the process of getting fit and sexy, my confidence has been the same as it has been since i worked out my inner game, and its only going up. I still pull in the meantime, but i was replied to saying no im wrong and that just cause i worked on my inner game before starting anything else that thats not the case with every redpiller in training. Its like they refuse to take the time to read the valueable information in the sidebar but think they can just jump the fuck in it and pull... then when it doesnt work its all fucking grumble grumble this is bullshit grumble grumble. It sucks what its become. A fucking bunch of high school kids going for the snake oil and silver bullets that other hand holding teenagers are selling. " Guize i hit on a girl today! It works! Now im an expert so let me tell you why youre wrong even though im still a beta bitch boy at heart." It disgusts me

[–]NitziNaturalRedGame.wordpress.com 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

1 year in, still haven't begun to train.

[–]TheStoneyVibes 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Im not saying i made crazy drastic changes. Just like eating less and at least trying to eat a little healthier. Healthy food is fucking expensive though. I just work around the time that i have. Which doesnt warrant six days at the gym a week

[–]NitziNaturalRedGame.wordpress.com 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Healthy food doesn't help you loose weight. Calories in vs calories out is the only thing that is important

[–]VZPurpIconoclast of Betatude 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eating a healthful, sensible diet is key. The person who derives their energy from fast digesting carbohydrates isn't going to feel full and will overeat.

Fat, on the other hand, leads to satiety despite its dense caloric content. A handful of nuts makes a dent in hunger, a bag of cookies people can keep going until they feel sick.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Biochemist here. There is most certainly more to it than calories in vs. calories out. Micronutrients and essential fatty acids, as well as essential amino acids, round out the diet to improve overall health. Reduced inflammation from a healthy diet can also reduce adiposity by switching adipose-infiltrating macrophages from M1 to M2 phenotype (this doesn't happen overnight, of course). There is even gathering evidence that fructose causes liver damage, which would further increase systemic inflammation, impair toxin removal and affect endocrine function (particularly insulin).

If calories in vs. calories out is the only thing that matters, how long do you think someone could last on a diet of light beer only? Light beer has calories... I know that's reductio ad absurdum, but it still illustrates the point that there must be some effect of the type of calorie you consume.

edit:misspoke

[–]SwimmingDutch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting view. But is not the price of freedom eternal vigilance? I am of the opinion that the entire OP was was written as a troll post and succeeded tremendously.

A reformed "bad girl" that told us everything we wanted to hear.

Should we try to walk a straight line and say no is no or should we let in woman that push all the right buttons? Once we do that why should we not also listen to woman who disagree with us?

I understand your individualistic views. Take what you value and discard the rest. But what if we all do this and no longer follow our own rules? Should you not speak up in order to not lose the thing that provides value to you?

edit: a word

[–]chakravanti93 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you agree that they should not be allowed to post at the redpill

Women should be allowed to post on TRP under "Don't ask, Don't Tell" policies. The end.

[–]rebuildingMyself 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought the mods said no more girl validation whoring? I guess that rule went out the window

[–]SwimmingDutch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fortunately not. I guess your posts crossed but one of the mods confirmed that he deleted it when it came to his attention further below.

[–]SwimmingDutch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree

[–]charlesbukowksi 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women do everything for validation. They are creatures of validation. They are lampreys on society. They justify their existence with constant external validation because they are incapable of developing internal validation (that would require will and ambition).

As soon as a man treats a woman as an equal - looking for commonality or their own validation - as opposed to giving validation and finding commonality, they resent the man. They know how little that is worth and therefore how much less a "lamprey on a lamprey" is worth. Never treat a woman as anything but your inferior and you'll be pleased with how much more compliant they become.

Caveat: "Every man is my superior in some way." Emerson. Conversely, don't lose humility with men.

[–]KyfhoMyoba 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't really care that much, but the 'fact' of the post coming from a 'woman' was integral to the narrative. Plus, the content was pure Red Pill.

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

[permanently deleted]

[–]SwimmingDutch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately I have no screenshot of it and am not sure if there is another way of getting it back.

[–]aOs_Student -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. Sometimes its good to get another perspective...Besides, shouldn't you be complaining to the mods about this instead of posting here? This subreddit is mostly about stuff that matters not a complaint center.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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