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June 29, 2022
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Title Cool skeleton says men's rights
Author vaaralinen
Upvotes 214
Comments 59
Date June 29, 2022 1:41 PM UTC (8 months ago)
Subreddit /r/AntiFeminists
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/cool-skeleton-says-mens-rights.1122075
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/vng3xe/cool_skeleton_says_mens_rights/

[–]KrustyDanmakuFellow 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ever since I was a high schooler, child support always seemed to me like a slap in the face to the dignity of man. It's like people assume by default that a father won't voluntarily choose to stay in his child's life, so the government forces him to give money to the mother to bind him to the household because the government said so. Not because the father loves his child and wants to help them grow and succeed. Besides, just because a man is paying child support, that does NOT necessarily mean he's a respectable, honorable father and/or husband. There's a lot more to being a great father than paying a fee.

To be completely honest, I don't know much about the child support system, as I haven't had an incentive to look much into it yet. However, "child support" as a concept always struck me as one of the countless ways the government forces us to pay for something (like my child is a subscription service), rather than letting humanity voluntarily and naturally run its course

[–]Asleep_Opposite6096 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men pay child support voluntarily. I’ve worked at a divorce attorney’s office and our decent clients had no problem paying child support. If the parents are married, it’ll be included in the divorce terms, but the majority of funds aren’t even tracked by the courts if both parties are in agreement.

The system is designed for those that refuse to pay, which is a not insignificant number of fathers. It’s not supposed to be a punishment. Children are expensive and they deserve care even if the parents can’t sort their personal relationship out. Also, women are required to pay child support, too. They can reduce what they owe if they are the primary care giver, of course.

The state doesn’t care about anything until somebody takes somebody else to court. If the two parents agree, they don’t get involved at all.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

For them, sexism isn't a demand for justice, fairness or an equal opportunity, it's a weapon to bash men over the head with to gain political power.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Crazies like /u/Adony_ coming in here knowing full well they are being sexist hypocrites aren't any different than the prolife people going into prochoice subs to push buttons. Equality may look different due to biological functions but the closest thing we can get is that if women get abortion as a birth control method then men should also get a paper abortion option to fully walk way without any forced slave labor to the mother that chose to keep the child of her own free will.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree with what you've said about men having the right to paper abortions and about that adony melonfarmer. Every child born should be DNA tested to prove paternity. Any claim for financial support, paternity test. Proof of paternal fraud, mother goes straight to jail. If these measures were brought in, the numbers of abortions would crash, as would divorces, domestic violence and homicide.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, mandatory paternity tests would be amazing. You know damn well that women would never go for it though. Prove just how badly they lie and cheat.

[–]Practical-Rip6471 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's just not ask them. Like you say they naturally lie too much.

[–]CountBraaiTongs 22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

*cough* "Men's rights"

The media: "This just in - a reddit-incel has posted his plans to blow up a women's shelter"

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not much different than all of the shit posting on feminist subreddits. Feminists have gone even farther in the violent threat arena than any MRA posts I've seen.

[–]vaaralinen[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am actually just chilling at the bar with my buddies Adolph and Joseph, drinking gay people's blood and discussing how to reintroduce lynching

[–]CountBraaiTongs 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"You pick women in video games because you want to look at their butt. I pick women in video games because it is my male right to control them. We are not the same." *fixes tie*

[–]vaaralinen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

post a picture meme and get account suspended and arrest lmao

[–]-Ivar-TheBoneless 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit Drake even went as far as to have to pour hot sauce into his used condoms.

[–]Darkwolf90 6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Each side has points that should be addressed, the mother, the father and the unborn child are all humans whose right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be addressed and respected. However due to the biological realities of pregnancy it gets complicated. Many pro-lifers effectively discuss it as if you shouldn't even be allowed to kill for self-defense. However pro-choice often ignore the mothers agency and accountability while denying the father and child's rights.

[–]DoppelGangHer88 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm pro-life, volunteer for pro-life organizations and am part of the prolife subreddit and the predominant attitude is that abortion is only acceptable if the life of the mother is at risk.

All 50 states have an exception for the life of the mother.

[–]Darkwolf90 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree however to what degree of risk? If its any degree of risk then you would have to accept that women have the right to abort at any point with no restriction. And then there's also the issues of privacy involved in having to require a women to substantiate a risk, which I think she should have to as she's the one with agency in this context. And none of this is actually substantiated as a constitutional right meaning that leaving the states to legislate it can lead to some states denying women their rights. This is a hard question and many are too eager for an easy answer.

[–]DoppelGangHer88 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, it's the doctor that substantiates the risk, not the woman.

Also, abortion is not a constitutional right, so they're not being denied their rights.

What pro-life arguments have you heard that condemns abortion in "self-defense?"

[–]golden_eyed_cat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I heard three arguments that condemn such abortions:

  1. Women potentially pretending to be suicidal due to their pregnancy, in order to get permission for abortion from a psychiatrist, which would allow them to end their child's life.

  2. There could be misdiagnoses, which would result in killing the unborn child when both them and the mother could have been saved.

  3. If a mother agrees to have sex, she agrees to risk dying in childbirth or because of complications with her potential pregnancy.

They, however, can be debunked:

  1. In cases where women claim to need an abortion due to suicidal thoughts caused by the pregnancy, they could be granted the abortion, however, once the child is killed, the mother would be obligated to undergo at least 3 months of treatment in a psychiatric ward for her mental health issues. That would prevent future abortions due to her mental condition, since they'd undergo treatment for it, while weeding out women that want to use a loophole to kill their child out of convenience.

2 and 3. If the mother dies, the unborn child will die with her. Therefore, it's "better" if, say, one misdiagnosed pregnancy is terminated and 101 children are sacrificed in order to save their mothers (if they choose to do so, of course. Nobody should ever be obligated to undergo an abortion), than if 100 children and 100 mothers (almost twice as many people) die suffering, and one mother and her child lives.

[–]MacRubys -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So, if the child yet to born, life could be at risk, tough shit?

[–]DoppelGangHer88 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would the solution of a life being at risk to end it pre-emptively?

[–]Asleep_Opposite6096 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To reduce it’s suffering.

[–]Zealousideal_Car_163 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This shit gonna turn the subreddjr into civil war,by dividing pro choice and pro life

[–]vaaralinen[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk people there seem to realize that either way PC means choice for everyone, and not argue much with each other (not trolls though) under related posts...

[–]CountBraaiTongs 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uh... 'PC' means Personal Computer. Duhhhh.

[–]SuperSupremeKai 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

or political correctness.

[–]Zealousideal_Car_163 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]TechniKal45 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link


[–]The_Dapper_Balrog 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Still a better argument than the feminist trolls on here denying that this is a good comparison.

[–]TechniKal45 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unintentional comment must have been open in my pocket or something. Anyways i agree if women want abortions men should be able to do the same financially.

[–]Bessieboo2000 -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You realise no choice to have an abortion will result in LOTS more men paying child support.

Pro-choice is better for everyone

[–]vaaralinen[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You (as well as previous and possible future feminist trolls) realise the post doesn't even mention what is better, point being that honest prochoice should be prochoice for everyone, not that prochoice is bad?

[–]houstongradengineer -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honest pro choice IS pro choice for everyone. I would support financial protections for men who got coerced reproductively- same as I would support such rights for women. I would also support men AND women taking charge of their contraception and protections.

However, men's full medical records (or even financial records) don't get subpoenaed criminally when someone accuses them of not paying child support. Men's lives don't get put at risk physically at any point after he is out of range of women. There's a literal physical reason why women can't be expected to have all the necessary information regarding their choice before pregnancy. Meanwhile, child support is for a set amount based upon the assumption of a healthy child. Unmarried men don't even have a legal burden of childcare. There is no biological reason why a man can't- at the very least- sign away any rights and responsibilities to a child prior to conception. There IS a reason for women. I might even be persuaded that men having the opportunity to sign away rights would be a good thing. Sperm donors exist, do they not?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have denied men a choice in any part of it. So now women have the same rights as men.

[–]Panzerv2003 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

if the father doesn't want to do anything with his child then (same if it's the mother) child support should be paid but if it's the parent keeping the child who wants nothing to do with the other parent child support should be voluntary. Of course this should only apply to people who are actual parents (confirmed by a dna test). It's just the basic concept that doesn't take some cases into account but come on is it really that hard?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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