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[+]VestigialHead-19 points-18 points-17 points 4 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link
So you are actually against abortions? Religious much?
I get the Vegan bashing - they are egotistical morons. But being against abortion is a weird position to take unless - religion.
[–]Odz242717 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, only religious people can view a fetus as a life. /s
The weird thing is thinking only religious people would be against abortions.
You must be trolling.
[+]VestigialHead-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (54 children) | Copy Link
Well there is not really many other solid reasons to think that a women should be able to terminate an early pregnancy if she has good reason. If people are just terminating willy nilly because they do not want to use contraception - then I think that is deplorable.
But if someone responsible still gets pregnant and realises they do not have a stable or monetarily secure environment to raise a child in then there is no issue with abortion.
If someone is raped - then an abortion is not only okay it is often the best option.
[–]seanisgeynt3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link
I agree on the rape part, abortion is acceptable on the grounds of rape, where the mother is at risk of death or serious injury, or the child will be permanently disabled where they will never have a decent quality of life. If a person cannot afford a child then they shouldn't have sex, I'm living by that rule, and won't have sex till I'm in a financially stable position. Would it be acceptable to kill a three month old because they aren't in a financially stable position? The only difference is that a three month old is a few months further along in the development stage of their life, and requires less input from the mother.
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
Yes in a perfect world no-one that cannot afford a child should be getting pregnant. Not having sex is not acceptable though. Only having sex when you could afford a child is simply not going to fly and should not be expected. People should be taking good precautions to not get pregnant. But even the best precautions can fail. Also the people most likely to not be able to afford to raise a child are reckless younger people who are also much more likely to be having lots of sex. So it is a double edged sword.
Yes I think there should be a solid limit on the age of allowable abortions.
[–]seanisgeynt0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
But the issue is that you cant just kill someone out if convenience. Regardless of your irresponsible behavior, it's a human being, a living person, so it doesn't matter if you're going to be broke because of it, you brought them to life, you can't kill them for convenience
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
They are not yet human beings. They are just a bunch of cells joined together at the ages it is legal to abort. So there is no issue.
Also is certainly does matter if you are going to be broke and cannot raise the child properly. We do not need more uneducated kids growing up in poverty - we already have WAY too many.
[–]seanisgeynt1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
So the response to people being born into poverty is to kill them? And they are just as much a clump of cells as you or I am, so they deserve the right to life like you or i
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Nope - if they cannot raise the baby in a decent fashion they chould not be getting pregnant. In a perfect world they would not - but people screw up. So abortions are a way to correct a very unfortunate mistake. We do not need more poor children in this world.
[–]Odz24270 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You realize that YOU are just a bunch of cells joined together, right?
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course - but a fetus is not yet an actual human. Even when it is the parents needs often outweigh any considerations for the fetus.
[–]Odz24270 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Ok so there are a bunch of caveats that you added that you didn’t talk about originally. You just made a blanket statement about abortion.
Secondly, does one need to be religious to think it is wrong to end an innocent human life. Because if you think a fetus is a human life....you see where I’m going.
Lastly, is there ever a point in the day when you take a break from huffing paint?
[–]VestigialHead-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I think a fetus becomes a human life at a certain point in a pregnancy. It is not a human life for the first month or two after conception.
[–]Odz24270 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Neat. Some people think life begins at conception.
Since only religion can inform when life begins, which religion taught you that it’s not a human life for the first month or two?
[–]VestigialHead-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
ROFL religion does not inform us of anything except that some people have been indoctrinated from a young age to believe things with no evidence. Religion has never provided humanity with any real answers or knowledge.
[–]Odz24270 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
“ROFL religion does not inform us of anything”
Whoosh like a motherfucker.😂😂😂😂😂
You’re the one claiming that religion is the only reason for being pro life.
So then people can determine when life begins without religion is what you are saying.
Thank you for proving my point.
You’ve been indoctrinated to believe that the pro life stance is purely a result of religion.
[–]VestigialHead-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Except I have not been indoctrinated at all. I have had a concept presented to me and then been shown the evidence. I have then looked into how that evidence works and how it has been tested and checked. No indoctrination at all. Evidence that is completely replicable.
On the other hand most people I have spoken to on this issue that are pro life reveal a religious side. So I have come to realise that many pro-lifers are religious. Not saying all are. But it is the main cause. Religious people have either never learnt how to use rational thinking or choose to avoid rational thinking on any topic that goes against their holy book.
[–]seanisgeynt2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm not religious and I'm against abortion, you don't need to be religious to think that another human being has just as much rights to life as yourself
[–]VestigialHead1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sure - but I do not consider a young fetus to be a human being.
[–]seanisgeynt0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It has the same DNA as a human being, in fact it's identical to a human being, made in a human being and will develop to be a human being, for all intensive purposes it is a human being, it's just not as far along the development process.
[–]aroh1008762 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually, while I'm atheist and can't care less about aborted fetuses, I'm against abortion because of the argument. It's always about "My body, my choice" but never about "My body, my responsibility".
Today women have several contraceptive methods but they still end up getting pregnant with unwanted kids and demand society to pay for their abortions. And if they decide to keep the baby, they demand the father to pay for it.
Fuck abortions, I'm against them not because of religion, I'm against them because women today act like five year old girls. They demand to be able to do whatever they want but refuse to deal with the consequences of their own actions.
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes I agree that they should not just be handed out willy nilly. Good reasons should be supplied to a doctor before they agree. But please remember that NO contraceptive is 100% effective. Many people get pregnant while using condoms or being on the pill.
If we ban them to block irresponsible women then what about the women who have very good reasons to have one - rape etc?
[–]PaladinGamer5632 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm against it if the baby is over 10 weeks old
[–]Mellow_Maniac0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I don't get the vegan bashing. What's the deal with people getting so triggered over veganism? It's such a touchy subject.
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It is because of the douchey nature of the Vegans. The claims they make about their eating habits are not backed by science and they have this egotistical need to tell everyone they are a Vegan and why isn't everyone else also a vegan.
[–]Mellow_Maniac0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Not backed by science? Isn't it scientifically settled that "a properly planned vegan diet is suitable for all stages of the life cycle"? Not all vegans are like that, it's a vocal minority. Not only that but it's also a stereotype that I most often see is reversed in reality, I find that it's always the friends and relatives of these people that are going on about "DID U KNOE HES VEGAN THO??!! OMG HES GONNA DIIEEEE".
[–]VestigialHead0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well it is pretty well stated that a balanced diet is suitable for most ages. No diet is suitable for all ages. Very young need certain foods and should avoid some foods.
Vegetarianism is a reasonable choice that takes more effort to stay healthy with due to missing important nutrients that you get from meat.
Never had family or friends tell me someone is vegan. Always the Vegan themselves - often continuing on to how bad vaccines are and how doctors are killing us and alternative medicine cures cancer.
Not saying there are no cases of family being the ones talking about it. Just not happening to me. I can understand a family member being concerned with any extreme diet that a relative might embark on.
[–]Mellow_Maniac0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/
My source on healthfulness of diet ^ anyway it's been a nice chat :)
You too. Stay away from vegans and you will enjoy your life more.
[–]TenGallonFedora0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You must not be a mom
No I am not a mom. Does becoming a mom prevent a person using logic and rationality?
[–]TenGallonFedora0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You’ll hopefully understand what I mean if you chose to have a baby of your own
I have a child. Having a child does not change how I apply logic and reason. It should never change that for anyone - but I realise many people lose a lot of their rationality when it comes to their children.
[–]realdailycrusader8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s funny because eggs won’t ever turn into baby chickens because they’re not fertilized as most hens on poultry farms never see a single rooster
[–]CaptainYoshi15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[Pedantry Warning]
I think ethical vegans don't eat eggs because they see it as a violation of the chickens rights, not the eggs. They think the whole capturing and using as an egg making machine deal is wrong.
I personally disagree with that - having kept chickens, I can attest to the fact that they are dumb as fuck, certainly have no concept of liberty (or their lack of it), and will enthusiastically eat their own eggs when given the opportunity.
But I think this snappy tweet misrepresents vegan ideology.
[–]LSKM8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m an anti-feminist vegan and can attest to that. The eggs people eat are unfertilized and can’t be compared to a fetus.
It’s still complete hypocrisy to be a pro-abortion vegan. I think the 2 stances are at odds.
[–]PaladinGamer5630 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I personally am fine with abortion as long as the baby was under 10 weeks old. If you attempt to abort over that time, then you should've known. Some people may not notice at first, but you must be able to know that you are pregnant before 10 weeks are up.
[–]EarthyANGRY0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What’s the point of abortion when foster care exists?
[–]deathgun5460 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We are a bunch of cells
[–]dankest_taco0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think veganism is dumb, the meat and products are already there, don't waste them. I'm okay with abortion tho, but people should use a condom and only use abortion for a last resort
[–]Knightman180 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Eggs are more like chice periods than chicken embryos
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