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[–]akihonj29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How long before the feminazis are on her lawn burning trump effigies and chanting curses at her for betraying the sisterhood.
[–]hawknose337 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh they already do. She has a YouTube channel.
[–]Mjaxin10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/shuffles_deck
[–]Lordshipped2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay but this headline says nothing about criticizing white men for joining. It's asking why other classes of people aren't joining?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like they're trying to say imply that white men are being given unfair opportunities, but it's incorrect because the opportunities are equal and somebody felt the urge to complain about something unimportant online
[–]jhr1019131 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate when articles complain about white men having jobs.
[–]cowyeti2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why’d she say white men. Isn’t it just men in general?
[–]DevilComeKnockin9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The headline said "white men"..
[–]cowyeti0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You right I’m dumb
[–]hatefulreason1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
women would do it but they have a better self-preservation instinct and a higher rate of failure in physical tasks
[+]cowyeti-15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
The article says that firefighters are more white and more male than things like the police and military and that it’s because they lack inclusivity. No one is attacking white men for putting their lives on the line, they are saying that other groups of people are being excluded from doing the same. So, I don’t know what Lauren is talking about, it’s almost like she is pushing an agenda and doesn’t care about the truth.
[–]Accidental_Edge9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I don't know if this is actually an issue. Are the firefighters putting out fires and saving lives. Yes? Then it doesn't matter if they lack inclusivity. They aren't a political group; they exist to serve a purpose. A purpose that isn't making sure they have a fair amount of every type of person.
[–]cowyeti-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
No ones saying that firefighting services would be ineffective if it isn’t diverse, they’re saying that everyone should have the right to serve their community regardless of gender or race.
If all that matters to you is that fire services are effective, would you be against white firefighters fighting for a law that made it illegal for firefighters to be a woman or black?
[–]VestigialHead3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
There are no diversity restrictions in the Fire services.
It is simply a fact that more white males choose it as a career. People from any race are welcome. The only restrictions being the strength and fitness requirements.
Not wise to have overweight or weak people entering burning buildings and trying to carry 100kg + victims.
[–]cowyeti-3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No one said there were restrictions of women and poc joining. I said that their were laws like that and that those laws created a fire service over represented in white men. If you think it’s personal choice can you give me a reason white men choose the job over other people?
[–]VestigialHead4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What laws are you referring to? There are no laws that I know of that created a white fire service. The fact is more white males join the service - that is just the reality of the situation.
I have no explanation as to why more white people get into this career. But people of colour are welcome to join and increase the diversity.
[–]cowyeti0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m sorry but are you saying that segregation was not a thing? You know that it was legal to discriminate solely on race before the 60s (still kinda legal today but I mean it was blatantly legal).
[–]VestigialHead4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Umm that was 60 years ago. If you are still using segregation as an excuse as to why poc are not deciding to do things then you have an agenda to push.
Nearly every person working as an active fireman these days would have been born after segregation was ended.
People need to stop using the past as a excuse for modern issues.
Also NO it is not even close to legal to discriminate based on race today.
[–]kylej_971 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A simple way to get this through your noggin is this
Nobody gives a shit if the fireman that shows up to save your ass is black, white, Mexican, Chinese, or hell he could be a god damn Eskimo, as long as they do the job correctly. The fire departments don’t care who applies as long as they can do the job correctly.
But more white males want to do the job so they go through the schooling, apply for a position, and do the job. No one gives a fuck if it’s a 50/50 split. And by suggesting that it should be, well then you are going to force other people to do a job they don’t want to do, just because of their skin color.
[–]Accidental_Edge2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
That's completely different. You're saying that sexist/racist laws are the same as natural imbalance. Of course I'd be against government mandated sexism and racism.
[–]cowyeti-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Natural imbalance?? White men don’t have some natural resistance to fire that makes them more likely to be fire fighters. The reason most fire fighters are white men is because there were racist sexist laws in the past, so white men were the only people allowed to do the job.
[–]Accidental_Edge2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
When I say natural imbalance, I mean there aren't any current laws that prohibit minorities or women from being firefighters.
[–]cowyeti0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Why does that matter? Does our past not effect today? Please tell me you’re not one of those people who tells black people to get over slavery because they were never slaves.
And there is still racism today in fire houses. I suggest you read the study in the post.
[–]Gordop2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You almost seem to be implying that personal choice isn't a contributing factor. Nobody is saying that racism doesn't exist but in this case such a sweeping generalization needs some pretty hefty evidence before I'll go to the extreme conclusion that all firefighters are racist.
[–]cowyeti0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Never said all firefighters are racist, and I don’t even know why you would think that. And if personal choice was a factor, why is firefighting more white and male than the police and military? Why would a woman want to join the airforce but not the fire service? Read the article please
[–]Gordop2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Come on now, surely you aren't making an appeal to ignorance are you ? I don't know therefore racism? That's a logical fallacy for a reason. There could be many reasons why minority groups might not want to be firefighters. Personal choice, culture, misinformation about the career, health risks pertaining to firefighters, relatively steep requirements etc., and yes, even occasional discrimination. I'm fairly sure all of those and more are a contributing factor.
I can admit that racial/identity discrimination happens however discrimination is necessary in systems that require above average performance, unless you want someone's grandma rushing in to a burning building. The burden here would be to prove that discrimination is not based on reasonable criteria pertaining to the career and instead based on identity. Noticing a disparity and crying racism is intellectually dishonest and can actually distract from real issues that could help solve the problem, if indeed there even is a problem.
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