The fundamental flaws of feminism (by person very well read in 1st to 4th wave feminism, philosphy, politics, history etc)

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Islam is very similar to Christianity and Judism and having studied all of them I can absolutely say that just like how a vast majority of people tag anything wrong done by one Christian as the WHOLE CHRISTIANITY. You're wrong.

I'm pretty sure you haven't bothered to read the rules sir. Because if you did you wouldn't make such claims.

(Also adding here, the following thread after this point has no relation to feminism, and also that don't ask me if the person is the video is telling the truth or not, I've studied the religions not the working nature of the subject, so I have limited knowledge on the subject which is just a few fundamentals, so please don't PM me to discuss that. I'm not qualified to answer deeper questions as according to my studies, perhaps I'll be able to when I advance in my studies of religion but not yet. I just came across this sub and shared my knowledge)

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(answering this again using a answer I already gave elsewhere)

Again, you haven't studied either of three religions if you believe so. I'm sure you haven't read Qur'an or The Old Testament or the Torah to make claims such as this one. People without knowledge or context are the reason why true Christianity is being forgotten and to "keep up" with modern world the whole religion is being changed.

I've studied Islam and Judaism side by side so I know what the their Holy Books mention and say. You cannot claim anything out of blue Infront of people who actually have studied because people have spent hours and hours and days and days over it.

A true Christian and Jew and Muslim who knows their religion as well as Islam and Judaism can differentiate the truth from false claims. Bother yourself to read the Old Testament and the Torah and the Qur'an before making rampant false claims. But of course, no doubt, we all have to die, today or tomorrow or in hundred years or a hundred and thirty. What excuse will people have then after death?

Edit: (continue from para one ending) not just Christianity even Judaism and even Islam. Holy Books are constitution, collective action of people does not change the religion. Even if today all believers of all three Abrahamic religion turn their back, the Holy Books and their word will still remain the same. You cannot change what is written in the scriptures no matter.

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Again, you haven't studied either of three religions if you believe so. I'm sure you haven't read Qur'an or The Old Testament or the Torah to make rampant claims such as this one. People without knowledge or context are the reason why true Christianity is being forgotten and to "keep up" with modern world the whole religion is being changed.

Crusades were ordered by Jesus too against the disbelievers at that time. Because they harmed the believers. Forgetting all of the context here and people claim "oh Old Testament God is evil".

A true Christian and Jew and Muslim who knows their religion as well as Islam and Judaism can differentiate the truth from false claims. Bother yourself to read the Old Testament and the Torah and the Qur'an before making rampant false claims. Most have even forgotten the actual rules and call themselves Christians. But ofc we all have to die, today or tomorrow or in 100 hundred years or a hundred and thirty. What excuse will people have then?

Edit: (continue from para one ending) not just Christianity even Judaism and even Islam. Holy Books are constitution, collective action of people does not change the religion. Even if today all believers of all three Abrahamic religion turn their back, the Holy Books and their word will still remain the same. You cannot change what is written in the scriptures no matter.

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Again, you haven't studied either of three religions if you believe so.

I have studied them, Qur'an is not similar to Old Testament in anyway. Islam has got Old Testament stories wrong and jumbled, also Islam is a Pagan religion pretending to be Abrahamic religion.For example:

• The Qur'an mixes the chacarcters of Old and New Testament. Qu'ran quiete openly implied that Jesus is the nephew of Moses and Aaron due to the fact that Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron have the same pronunciation with Mary in Arabic in verses 19:27 and 66:12

• Allah is a Pagan moon god of pre-Islamic Arabia, and it is not the same God worshipped by Jews and Christians.

etc

I'm sure you haven't read Qur'an or The Old Testament or the Torah to make rampant claims such as this one.

Islam is the doctrine found in the Qur'an, Sira(Biography of Muhammad) and Hadiths(Traditions of Muhammad). So to understand Islam you should read Qur'an, Sira and Hadiths not just Qur'an.

Torah is a part of Old Testament(Tanakh), they are not different books. I have read them.

Crusades were ordered by Jesus too against the disbelievers at that time. Because they harmed the believers.

The Crusades were series of actions taken taken by later Catholic Christians under their authority. It has got nothing to do with Christian fundaments.

Bother yourself to read the Old Testament and the Torah and the Qur'an before making rampant false claims.

Torah is a part of Old Testament so I don't have to read them separately. The violence in the Old Testament is discriptive no prescriptive but the violence.

But in the Qur'an violence is prescribed by Prophet Muhammad against non-Muslims until everyone converts to Islam. So Islam is the most violent cult, it's not a Abrahamic religion.

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Islam is the doctrine found in the Qur'an, Sira(Biography of Muhammad) and Hadiths(Traditions of Muhammad). So to understand Islam you should read Qur'an, Sira and Hadiths not just Qur'an.

Qur'an is the sole book that is the constitution of Islam. According to Islam, Qur'an will not change but hadiths and sira can be manipulated and even wronged, that is the reason there is a hierarchical structure for hadith. Books.

The Crusades were series of actions taken taken by later Catholic Christians under their authority. It has got nothing to do with Christian fundaments.

Wrong, the term crusade was later used by those that tried to make changes in Christianity later on, crusades were wars against the non Christians. Just like in the other two religions. Manipulation by one person does not change religion, wars are ther win Christianity and they will continue to be even if you hate that. The prophecy states the war will commence against the anti Christ alongside allied forces.

Torah is a part of Old Testament so I don't have to read them separately.

Excuse me? Torah is not a part of the Old Testament. Torah was bestowed to Moses and it is not a part of Christianity, so according to you, Jews are Christians? If Torah is a part of Old Testament then shall Christians now begin to cast awa Gospel and focus on Torah?

The violence in the Old Testament is discriptive no prescriptive but the violence.

Don't change religion to beautify it for others. This is exactly what I hate the most, calling it to be more acceptable for "today's society", no, you do not change what God has written to fit your narrative in any case. Have you seriously ever devotedly read the Old Testament to actually make such statements?

But in the Qur'an violence is prescribed by Prophet Muhammad against non-Muslims until everyone converts to Islam. So Islam is the most violent cult, it's not a Abrahamic religion.

Where is the verse? You haven't read Qur'an or Torah or Old Testament and even attempt to change words of God to make it fit today's narrative and then discuss...

Very well gentleman, I'm just wasting time discussing, anyone who has atleast read even partly any of the three books would know your words are falsehood.

Either of us won't live beyond 150 will we? Surely after death it'll be very clear.

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Qur'an is the sole book that is the constitution of Islam.

Actually all of Islam is inauthentic... Qur'an and Hadiths both are important for Islam. Hadīt, record of the traditions or sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, revered and received as a major source of religious law and moral guidance, second only to the authority of the Qurʾān, the holy book of Islam.

There are Hadiths which is believed by Muslims to be most authentic:

Sahih Bukhari, collected by Imam Bukhar
Sahih Muslim, collected by Muslim bin al-Hajjaj

Wrong, the term crusade was later used by those that tried to make changes in Christianity later on, crusades were wars against the non Christians. Just like in the other two religions. Manipulation by one person does not change religion, wars are ther win Christianity and they will continue to be even if you hate that. The prophecy states the war will commence against the anti Christ alongside allied forces.

Crusades have got nothing to do with Christian fundaments. It was, military expeditions, beginning in the late 11th Century, that were organized by western European Catholic Christians in response to centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their main objectives were to check the spread of Islam, to retake control of the Holy Land in the eastern Mediterranean, and to recapture formerly Christian territories taken by Muslims. Crusading declined rapidly during the 16th century with the advent of the Protestant Reformation and the decline of papal authority.

Excuse me? Torah is not a part of the Old Testament. Torah was bestowed to Moses and it is not a part of Christianity, so according to you, Jews are Christians? If Torah is a part of Old Testament then shall Christians now begin to cast awa Gospel and focus on Torah?

Yes, the Torah is the 1st 5 books of the Christian Old Testament. In fact, the Jewish bible is the Christian Old Testament. The only difference is that the Jewish bible combines 2 of the books into one book. They do this twice. So the Christian OT has 39 books while the Jewish bible has 37.

Don't change religion to beautify it for others. This is exactly what I hate the most, calling it to be more acceptable for "today's society", no, you do not change what God has written to fit your narrative in any case. Have you seriously ever devotedly read the Old Testament to actually make such statements?

Old Testament is more of a history lesson than anything.

Where is the verse?

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, most verses of violence in the Quran are open-ended, meaning that they are not necessarily restrained by historical context contained in the surrounding text (although many Muslims choose to think of them that way). They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.

Examples:

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

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Examples:

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Even a sand blind person knows what this refers to. You only make me believe more and more that Islam is similar to Christianity and Judaism. Monethisism is solely worshipping God and those that reject that should burn in hell. It was a command of God and has always been not only in Judaism and Christianity but also Islam and it will always be the same. No matter what you do. No matter how much you cry. The word of God does not change and will not change.

Those that lie which impacts largely are spreading corruption on Earth and if you have ever bothered to pick up the Old Testament or Torah or Qur'an, you'll know what happens to them. It doesn't matter for you since you don't believe. I hope you never do believe, ofc we're all going to die one day. It'll be pretty clear then right? You even tried to justify changing religion! Farewell. To you your beliefs and to me mine.

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Why are you lying so much...what do you get from lying..

Luke 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

2 Chronicles 15:12-13 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

But unlike you, I don't just take and quote without any knowledge whatsoever and conclude like those that say Old Testament God is "evil", I know the context as well.

Please don't pretend to have read any of the Holy Books.

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Islam is infact in many ways a gynocentric religion. It also gave women rights they did not get in the west for over a thousand years later and was way way way ahead of its time.

That's not true.... Islam actually took away rights from women.

The Quran says that men and women will be judged by Allah. This does not mean that they have equal rights and roles, or that they are judged by the same standards.

There is no ambiguity in the Quran, the life of Muhammad, or Islamic law as to the inferiority of women to men despite the effort of modern-day apologists to salvage Western-style feminism from scraps and fragments of verses that have historically yielded no such progressive interpretation.

After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men. In at least one case, he advocated that they be raped in front of their husbands. Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers. There are four Quranic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full sexual access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits rape.

The Quran gives Muslim men permission to beat their wives for disobedience, but nowhere does it order love in marriage (although it does say that "love" exists). The verses plainly say that husbands are “a degree above” their wives. The Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants.

Under Islamic law, a man may divorce his wife at his choosing. If he does this twice, then wishes to remarry her, she must first have sex with another man. Men are exempt from such degradation.

Muslim women are not free to marry whom they please, as Muslim men are. Their husband may also bring other wives (and slaves) into the marriage bed. And she must be sexually available to him at any time (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam).

Neither do Muslim women inherit property in equal portion to males. (This is somewhat ironic given that Islam owes its existence to the wealth of Muhammad's first wife, which would not otherwise have been inherited by her given that she had two brothers and her first husband had three sons).

A woman's testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s, according to the Quran. Unlike a man, she must also cover her head - and often her face.

If a woman wants to prove that she was raped, according to strict Sharia, she must have four male witnesses corroborate her account. Otherwise she can be jailed or stoned to death for confessing to “adultery.”

Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new ploy designed for modern tastes, and it disagrees sharply with the reality of Islamic law and history.

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Title	The fundamental flaws of feminism (by person very well read in 1st to 4th wave feminism, philosphy, politics, history etc)
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Date	June 14, 2021 2:01 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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