This is what modern feminism and modern women refuse to admit when they say it is ok to have sex with anybody you liked. Women, they are destorying you. These comments also dropped truth bombs

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So, is it still holy when he himself has 6 or 12 or 24 women under HIS belt BEFORE he meets his future wife?

I'm Red Pill as the Next Red Piller but to me asking for a virgin when one is not a virgin himself is moreso Trad Con hypocrisy than actual Red Pill.

So, our Trad Con has left 5 or 11 or 23 women no OTHER Trad Con man would want to marry... aka he can leave a wake of "unmarriageable sluts" behind him and still insist that a woman be his first?

If HIS sexual history is off the table prior to marriage then so should hers be.

(I guess the non Trad Con guys can choose from the "used up sluts" the Trad Con boys left in their wake while sewing their wild oats...)

Then he can feel high and almight about his virtuous wife and look down his nose at the men who married sluts... women who he and men like him literally turned into the sluts they so despise.

(I'm Red Pill, MGTOW, NOT TRAD CON and more of a political centrist.)

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That’s a lot of words for: ”I like to shame women for engaging in the same human behaviours as men”.

This isn’t human nature – it's sociological.

Women care just as much if a man has a high body count as a man cares about a woman who has a high body count. The only difference is that we don’t shame men for it.

Scientific studies show that both men and women who have high body counts have the same inability to “pair bond”, the same risk of marital failure, the same risk of unhappiness, and the same risk of divorce. However, men are actually more likely to cheat than women, so it seems odd that we shame women for engaging in sex more than men.

Sources:

https://ifstudies.org/blog/does-sexual-history-affect-marital-happiness

https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

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Women care just as much if a man has a high body count as a man cares about a woman who has a high body count. The only difference is that we don’t shame men for it.

That's women's problem. Women are the sought after sex and have all manner of requirements and "deal breakers" for men. You don't shame men for it not because of virtue but because of preselection. You like men with sexual experience and men who have been pre-selected by other women. This is not psycho-social - this is wired into your brain stem. You notice men with women more than men who are alone because you're biologically wired to do so.

Women shame men who are virgins as viciously as men shame women who are sluts by the way. In fact, women shame men viciously who are not sexually desirable and go on to harass them, exclude them and even doxx them and report them to HR for "being creepy". Of course, they may have to embellish on their story just a little bit... "Well, it's not what he said, or did, per se, that is the basis of my complaint, it's just the way the whole thing made me feel. It made me feel very VERY UNCOMFORTABLE...."

Yes, a 4 who thinks she's an 8 was offended by some 3 who DARED approach a 4. LOLOLOL. Off with his head! What was he THINKING? Pack up your bankers box son, you're fired.

You can't say "men shame and women don't" unless you're a deluded feminist with "men bad / women good" thinking.

And that's probably how you think. So, yeah.

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Yes, we have tons of evidence it’s an issue. We’ve compiled all the data here online amongst men who have dealt with women with very high partner counts.

The simple issue is women with very high partner counts don’t make good monogamous marriage partners. For whatever reasons women don’t work well in monogamous marriages with families, after having very high partner counts.

They initiate the vast majority of divorces, cause issues, cheat, demand non-monogamy, and lots of other issues.

Where women with low partner counts, themselves say they have great marriages.

The flaw to the high partner count is that it does one of two things, shows and allows the woman to have very bad ability to have discretion as in be more selective with her choice of who to sleep with.

OR create a super selectivity where she as a young woman has the ability to sleep with many very fit, tall, attractive men, (because she’s young and attractive) and then assumes that that’s the standard of men she will only go for, for the rest of her life. Making it impossible for her to date and get married later in life if she doesn’t marry one of those men in her younger years, as those type of men will be sleeping with and marrying the exact type of girl she WAS when she’s older, so NOT her.

Now, a solution to this is to have an open, non-monogamous marriage. Allow the woman AND man to fuck whoever they want and then it doesn’t matter who has sex with who, because the woman can’t trap the man in a sexless marriage with the constant threat of divorce and financial ruin if she decides to stop sleeping with her husband for whatever reason. He can just have sex with other women. And she can bang the hot pool boy and no one cares.

The single ISSUE that exists is women who have very high partner counts attempting to enforce monogamy on men in a marriage AND not continue to be as “slutty” and sexually available as they were to the hundreds of men before their husband.

You want to have a high partner count, that’s cool, if you get married, fuck your husband all the time and dont divorce him. Then it’s all good.

Problem solved.

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Nice, comparing infidelity statistics to rape statistics. Do you know how they accurately figure out how many women are raped? Through the same studies I just provided you with. You are pathologically stupid.

I took one look at your comment history and the amount of time you spend berating women is genuinely concerning. Why don’t you worry about keeping your infinitesimal penis in your pants and stop harassing women who wouldn’t sleep with you in the first place?

Jesus Christ. There’s a forum for men like you who have a hard time getting laid, and it’s called r/incels and r/mgtow. Anyone willing to fuck you without payment is just too lazy to masturbate, if even that.

Stop compensating your lack of success in the dating field by irritating normal people online. The lack of self-awareness of how fucking desperate you look is giving me second-hand embarrassment. It’s always the ugliest men who are most vocal about women’s appearances. Have fun spending the rest of your life attacking people on Reddit. You are chronically online and I’m tired of you pestering me, so I’ll be turning off notifications. Engaging with incels is like touching wet food at the bottom of the sink. Goodbye.

[–]whittlingman 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I literally specified this earlier but I’ll repeat it.

The PROBLEM isn’t that a hot Chad that bangs women left and right accidentally settled down with a slutty woman like himself he knocked up and then later on cheats on her because he’s a Chad and women are always throwing themselves at her, and she probably cheated too, or randomly decided she finally landed a hot guy and baby trapped him and now can lock him down and make him be monogamous with her.

No, that’s isn’t the issue.

The issue is that generic, employed, successful, boring men, that look OK physically. You know the vast majority of men.

They meet a woman, they want to settle down, get married, get a house, have a family, have sex with their wife, likely can’t get anyone to cheat with them if they tried hard but maybe, so they don’t bother.

The difference for those men, is one single issue, whether or not the wife gets bored halfway through the marriage and just ups and divorces them, but keeps the house and the kids and demands half their money, so she can go bang other dudes.

And their left with nothing.

OR their wife stays with them, has sex with them, and ENjOYs her marriage, family, and home.

The statistics are showing that these marriages that are falling apart because of “the women”, NOT because of anything the man did.

Are the result of high body count women. There are also studies that shows ZERO count women also have issues and lead to divorces. But “low body count women” have less divorces.

That’s it that’s the one single simple statistic that makes men wary of high body count women.

Why risk all that time and money in someone who is statistically going to just going to fuck you over and divorce you and take your kids?

Why bother?

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I’ll address a few points here, since you seem to be misrepresenting a few.

You’re conflating the initiation of a divorce for the cause of a divorce. If a woman initiates a divorce based on the action her husband made, for example, he was unfaithful to her, then she is not the reason why the divorce occurred, she is the reason why the divorce initiated. The husband is the cause of the divorce and if he hadn’t cheated, there would be no reason for the wife to divorce him.

The primary reason that women initiate divorce isn’t because of alimony or child support; it’s due to a marriage breakdown from emotional issues, infidelity, domestic violence, substance abuse, etc.

Source

If your reason for why men prefer women with a low body count is due to risk of divorce, it would only be natural for women to also have these same superficial standards for men. That is the point I’m trying to convey.

Of course, every person is different, and every person is allowed to have a preference. However, when you shame people because they don’t meet your criteria, that’s when it becomes an issue.

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I’ll address a few points here, since you seem to be misrepresenting a few.

Ok

You’re conflating the initiation of a divorce for the cause of a divorce.

NO, I’m referring ONLY to divorces initiated by the wife FOR NO REASON, or “no good reason”. Did I need to specify that, sure, did I feel like I needed to in this context, no, I thought it was obvious, and you were smart enough to get that.

I have no issue for a wife divorce no her husband for beating her.

If a woman initiates a divorce based on the action her husband made, for example, he was unfaithful to her, then she is not the reason why the divorce occurred, she is the reason why the divorce initiated.

This is irrelevant to the context of this conversation and it’s stupid you felt the need to mention it.

The husband is the cause of the divorce and if he hadn’t cheated, there would be no reason for the wife to divorce him.

Then what the fuck does this type of divorce reason have to do with a woman divorcing her husband that has absolutely No issues with her other than she wants a divorce to leave and doesn’t want to have sex with her husband anymore and wants to have sex with other people and ALSO want the kids and the house and half his money.

The FUNNY part, is that is a man’s wife Cheats on him and HE initiates the divorce, SHE STILL most of the time, gets the kids, the house, and half his money, because “think of the children”. There literally isn’t a family court punishment taken into account that the cause of divorce is the wife cheated on the husband.

It’s literally a win/win for the wife in most cases.

The primary reason that women initiate divorce isn’t because of alimony or child support; it’s due to a marriage breakdown from emotional issues, infidelity, domestic violence, substance abuse, etc.

And there a lot of stupid people that get married that skew the statistics with their bullshit lives.

I am talking about normal ass boring men with jobs that live in the suburbs and have kids and then have their wives divorce them for no reason because their wives want “out” of the marriage. But don’t go willingly and leave the money and the house and kids. NOPE they squeeze every penny out of the divorce in court.

If your a man with “emotional issues, infidelity, domestic violence, substance abuse, etc.” and you’re getting married you THINK you’re gonna have a good marriage? I’ll even argue then that’s on the woman for willingly marrying that shitty guy in the first place, regardless if she still gets all his money after the divorce.

I’m again, taking about normal ass boring guys that just want a wife and a family and have to choose between women that might make a good wife and women that might fuck him over 15 years down the line.

It’s literally a complex life choice these men are making. Why ignore the statistics of the types of women that cause problems in marriages? Don’t marry women with domestic abuse tendencies or drug abuse issue OR “dick abuse” issues.

If your reason for why men prefer women with a low body count is due to risk of divorce, it would only be natural for women to also have these same superficial standards for men.

NEVER did I say that was an issue. However due the properties of matter, the majority of men DONT rack up huge body counts from a few years in college and beyond. Most women are going around trying to fuck the vast majority of men.

It’s the vast majority of women fucking a smaller but more fuckable percentage of men, essentially all sharing the same guys on different days. So those few men are racking up insane body counts while the women are racking up high body counts.

Those men just remain single their whole life and fuck and fuck and fuck and it’s never an issue for them because women just keep fucking them regarldess of their body count.

But YES, women should be selective in who they marry and have a family with. That’s the WHOLE point.

That is the point I’m trying to convey.

Never argued that points that women AND men should have low body counts, and the obvious issue is that it’s easy for women to rack up high body counts and it’s hard for men to rack up high body counts, so it’s not like many boring generic employed successful men are trying hard to resist the urge to NOT rack up high body counts because they couldnt even if they tried.

Hence the lopsided statistics and issues related to them.

Of course, every person is different, and every person is allowed to have a preference.

That’s accurate.

However, when you shame people because they don’t meet your criteria, that’s when it becomes an issue.

This is inaccurate. No one is “shaming anyone” this isn’t 1600’s Salem. These are observations of statistical facts and figures, that people use to make decisions about their lives and people dealing with the consequences of their actions.

A woman can party and bang 100’s of guys, no one is stopping her. Men also don’t have to marry her, if the statistics show she is a risky marriage partner 10-15 years down the line when she gets bored and wants to ride that fun train again and doesn’t like the suburb and lifestyle she’s “stuck in now”.

The same applies for men who love doing drugs and drink tons of alcohol. Sure they might have a job now, and sure they might be fun, but women also don’t have to marry them and have kids with them when they are risky and might flip out and beat them, burn the house down, crash their car, die, get fired, go to jail, become unemployable, spend all their money on more drugs.

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Women don’t initiate divorce for “no reason”. I’m unsure where you’re getting your information from, but it’s wrong. There is always a reason for an action. People don’t commit actions, especially detrimental and burdening actions, for no reason. You sound quite young and completely oblivious to how the world works.

I would also encourage you to do some independent research on how common alimony and child support is. Alimony is extremely rare and 52% of fathers do not pay a single penny in child support after divorce.

I’ll even argue that’s on the woman for willingly marrying that shitty guy in the first place,

Don’t worry, taking accountability away from men and shifting the blame on the woman isn’t nothing new to me. I see it from anti-feminists and MRA’s quite often.

Most women are going around trying to fuck the vast majority of men. It’s the vast majority of women fucking a smaller but more fuckable percentage of men, essentially all sharing the same guys on different days.

r/averageredditor

Get off the internet and go interact with a woman instead of repeating red-pill verbal diarrhoea. What’s next? Are you going to claim all women are the same? Women are hypergamous gold-digging whores? It woudn’t surprise me.

and it’s hard for men to rack up high body counts,

This must be limited to your own experience. Yes, it’s difficult for some men to get laid, but with Tinder and the whole frat life, most men are out here having sex with well over 50 women at a time.

Source: I am a woman who has had plenty of promiscuous male and female friends and have experienced the night life.

This is inaccurate. No one is “shaming anyone” this isn’t 1600’s salem.

When you refer to women who’s had sex more than two times as “low-value”, then yes, it is shaming. Especially when you don’t hold men to the same standards.

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Yes, we have tons of evidence it’s an issue. We’ve compiled all the data here online amongst men who have dealt with women with very high partner counts.

Plenty of flat earther's share their anecdotal experience. That doesn't count as objective evidence.

Also how do you verify the autheticity of any of these "accounts".

Reddit is anonymous. The men in question could all be virgins who have zero experience. They could also dysfunctional people who rather than work on themselves, blame others for their inability to have romantic success.
How do you know the actual body counts are accurate? Could it be that women who lie saying their body count is 10 are more sociable and thus more successful in relationships than women who are honest and will always be honest? Because actual anonymous surveys reveal women's body counts are much higher than men's.
Genetically more women have sex than men historically than now. Historically most men were NOT part of the gene pool and were NOT having sex. For every 100 women having sex there were only 30 men historically due to power structures among men. Men often were sent to war or exploited for labor. We know this through looking at the genetics.

They initiate the vast majority of divorces, cause issues, cheat, demand non-monogamy, and lots of other issues.

Mormon data counteracts this claim. Mormons are 100% virgins (male and female) before marriage. They have the same divorce rate as non-mormons. I don't think it is promiscuity but people being shitty at relationships in general.

OR create a super selectivity where she as a young woman has the ability to sleep with many very fit, tall, attractive men, (because she’s young and attractive) and then assumes that that’s the standard of men she will only go for, for the rest of her life. Making it impossible for her to date and get married later in life if she doesn’t marry one of those men in her younger years, as those type of men will be sleeping with and marrying the exact type of girl she WAS when she’s older, so NOT her.

Not at all. I've seen multiple extremely handsome women still get handsome men in life. I don't think it is an age thing. I think it is that pretty people like pretty people.

Now, a solution to this is to have an open, non-monogamous marriage. Allow the woman AND man to fuck whoever they want and then it doesn’t matter who has sex with who, because they woman can’t trap the man in a sexless marriage with the constant threat of divorce and financial ruin if she decides to stop sleeping with her husband for whatever reason. He can just have sex with other women. And she can bang the hot pool boy and no one cares.

Usually lack of sex is a symptom of unrest in a marriage. Most men don't share things equally in a relationship, they expect women to be maids and take care of them rather than human beings. It is hard to have the energy to want to sleep with someone who wants you to care for them as a child but has no respect for you or care about your well being.

Gay couples often have high body counts before marriage but that doesn't necessarily correlate with cheating behavior.

My ex was a virgin, he still cheated on me. I've slept with over 100 guys. I've never cheated on any of my relationships.

I think relationships are hard and a lot of work. it is difficult to find someone who meshes well and takes interest in us. I think it is silly to blame it on random things. Rejection sucks, but it isn't because a girl didn't save herself for you. It's because it wasn't right.

But that doesn't mean it won't work out in the future. I think this thread isolates men by making them think the cards are stacked against them and there is no way out. It isn't true. Society does fuck over men by limiting their emotions and their ability to form meaningful relationships, but these are skills that can always be made later. Nothing is set in stone.

Rather than put the blame on others, why not look inside?

You want to have a high partner count, that’s cool, if you get married, fuck your husband all the time and done divorce him. Then it’s all good.

Also getting married just to have sex is childish. You have to see your partner as a human who has needs. If they don't want to have sex, it is not because they are punishing you. It is because you either aren't good at sex or aren't contributing to the relationship or the house in a meaningful way. Women will want to fuck you if you work at a relationship. If you do your best to understand them, they will want to be with you. Sex is about bonding. How can you bond with someone who expects you to give them sex when they act like a trash partner?

If your wife hits you, do you think she deserves for you to buy her things or kiss her?

So if you hit your wife or neglect her emotionally, why would you expect sex from her?

[–]whittlingman 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

The fuck is all that bullshit?

…No One said people were getting married to HAVE SEX. The point is if you get married you now have tons of sex with a person who literally sleeps next to you and doesn’t have any disease since your both the only people having sex with each other.

I already told you the answer.

Men want to fuck women. Men get married to women to fuck them a lot, forever. (And start a family, and enjoy having a person to spend time with etc etc)

If a woman didn’t fuck a lot of men and then doesn’t want to her husband and they get divorced, it all makes sense.

If a woman fucks hundreds of random guys and then marries a guy and then DOESNT fuck him and traps him in a marriage, where he has to get divorced to ever have sex again.

She LIED and claimed she was a slut that likes to fuck and then straight up decided NOT to fuck her husband, you KNOW she married him for his money and his possessions.

Because she’s willing to fuck any random guy with NO money, but not her husband.

So, like I said. ANY woman is free to fuck hundreds of guys, AS LONG as the fuck their husband (when they get married) ALOT and not get divorced over some dumb shit and take his money.

Men want sex, they will marry to have sex a lot, they will marry a slutty woman to have LOTS of slutty sex. If the woman stands up to her end of the deal, then there’s *no issue. *

It’s the ones that cut off the sex or cheat or initiate a divorce over bullshit reasons (for the guys money) that cause problems.

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No One said people were getting married to HAVE SEX.

I was referring to this quote of yours

if you get married, fuck your husband all the time and dont divorce him. Then it’s all good.

doesn’t have any disease since your both the only people having sex with each other.

I've never gotten an STI. I use condoms every time and don't give blow jobs. Women can get HIV from going down on a man. If there is one sexual act to save for marriage it is giving a man a blow job. The risk isn't the same for going down on a woman. Also you can get vaccinated against HPV.
Gonorrhea and chlamydia can be prevented with condoms.

Men want to fuck women.

Women also want to fuck men.

Men get married to women to fuck them a lot, forever.

Women get married for the same reason.

If a woman fucks hundreds of random guys and then marries a guy and then DOESNT fuck him and traps him in a marriage, where he has to get divorced to ever have sex again

Why would someone do this? Divorce is expensive and messy. This doesn't make logical sense for a person to do. The only reason I would not fuck the person I'm married to is if they are being an asshole to me and treating me badly.

She LIED and claimed she was a slut that likes to fuck and then straight up decided NOT to fuck her husband, you KNOW she married him for his money and his possessions.

So I'm confused. Does a slut like sex or not? Do you marry a woman only based on her ability to have sex? Why get married? So expensive. Why not just fuck random women? If you want someone to love you, you have to work at the relationship. Do 50% of the house work, contribute 50% to income, take care of kids 50% of the time. Men don't do this. Women report the most common reason they don't want to have sex is they are too tired because they are doing more than their 50% of the share. Usually when the man does more to help, more sex follows.

Men want sex, they will marry to have sex a lot, they will marry a slutty woman to have LOTS of slutty sex.

Women like sex too. Part of standing up to the deal is the man has to be a decent human who loves his wife and doesn't call her a slut lmao or treat her like an object. Instead, he does the dishes and helps clean up after himself.

It’s the ones that cut off the sex or cheat or initiate a divorce over bullshit reasons (for the guys money) that cause problems.

Who does this? I am a career woman and I make more than most guys dream of. Why would I need his money? I have my own.

[–]whittlingman 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I’m a go ahead and solve this mystery for you.

YOU are not “all women”.

You are your own individual person.

If you do you and somehow meet a man and get married and have kids and be monogamous and never desire at some point, years into your marriage, to get divorced because your husband bores you physically and sexually and start to desire to fuck random hot guys you see around that make you feel tingles. And stay married and have hot passionate sex with your husband a lot. And the both of you never cheat.

Then YOU will have beat the statistical odds of being a woman who sleeps with lots of guys.

That’s the difference.

But we won’t know this until your 65 and still married to your husband.

That’s the whole point.

Women shouldn’t marry “hot head guys who bear people up over nothing” because guess what one day, youre gonna get hit. You can’t “change him”.

Men shouldn’t marry VERY high body count women because it’s statistically unlikely they will stick around and not divorce you AND/OR continue to want to have sex with you. Because they likely have a preference for banging attractive men (who you as the husband aren’t) and only married you for the money and family.

It’s about statistics.

If you read what I wrote earlier, I said an easy solution to this who dilemma is to have open non monogamous marriages, then it doesn’t matter how many people have sex with you or whether your spouse has sex with your or not.

That was MY solution to this problem. My wife and my partner counts just keeps going up because we just keep having sex with more people.

My point was if someone who wants a monogamous wife marries a slutty woman, you’re gonna have a bad time.

If you want a non-monogamous wife then marry a slutty woman, you’re gonna have a good time.

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Not unless the man is ALSO a virgin.

Having experience gives you leverage to understand your own body and know what you like and don't like. You want women who have NO experience and are at a disadvantage?

WHY?

The vagina doesn't loosen with time. If anything, if you make a woman orgasm, her vaginal wall will tighten involuntarily and feel like that tight virgin y'all dream about.

Anyone can pair bond. Having other people doesn't prevent pair bonding, or a mother with multiple kids wouldn't bond with ANY of them.

Because it is the same hormone that pair bonds women to men as it is babies during breastfeeding. If I breastfeed five kids, still pair bonded to all of them. If I fuck a bunch of men, still able to pair bond.

What I don't accept is MISTREATMENT. It is easier to recognize that when you've experienced it. So are you actually wanting to subject women to MISTREATMENT and have them just accept it because they don't know any better?

Also, why would you not want a woman to orgasm every time?

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I mean I kind of don’t subscribe to traditional mindsets when it comes to love and marriage. I grew up in a cult and learned very quickly marriage is often a vehicle to exploit unpaid female labor. Nearly every friend of mine who was married at 20 is now divorced with kids after being a stay at home mom, scraping by trying to work to pay for their kids. Me? I do what I want when I want. Sometimes I fall in love and date but I don’t force anything to work.

I might marry a woman if I meet one I like but I’ve never really found anyone I like that well.

It’s not unsustainable Bc the goal is not marriage. The goal is to meet cool people and have fun interactions. Most marriages go sour after 7 years and someone cheats or spends all your money or divorces you.

There is no “prime”. I didn’t have sex till I was 26. I was a virgin Bc I was in a cult. Now I have the best sex. I’m 32 and most guys think I’m 22 Bc people are dumb when it comes to age

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Why are you getting so hateful about someone having a different opinion?

However men who are 70 have children all the time that are fine. (When they try to have children)

Again this is why schizophrenia exists. What is the point of having children if they are going to be severely mentally ill? What a horrific thing to do to a person.

Also, erectile dysfunction is the natural way the body shuts that down in men.

Most men over 70 prior to viagra weren't having it.

So isn't fertility treatment and viagra the same just for different genders?

Women and mens sexual organs work entirely differently

Incorrect. Estrogen is the hormone for orgasm in both male and female brains.
Men can produce milk if stimulated long enough on the nipples. We were both intersexed in utero. Sometimes there are XY men who are born physically female despite being male genetics. We are actually more similar than you think

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Where do you think you are getting all you “facts”.

You sound like a high school student who just read a book on some “information” about humans.

No, prior to viagra, men well into their 70’s WERE able to have erections. Especially healthy men.

The problem with men “today” is they are all out of shape and fat and have horrible blood pressure and heart issues.

Fit men just get old and their dick keeps working along with their sperm.

Women regardless of fitness GO THROUGH MENOPAUSE.

That’s literally the body shutting down their ability to have children.

Women have trouble having children starting at age thirty. All the systems that allow them to be fertile start shutting down and that’s why fertility treatments have become huge now a days for women. Go look it up.

I’m going to make a simple point (that I already made before but I’ll make it again).

This information is an average statistic across a wide range of people. It creates what’s known as a generalization.

Which means even if you know personally a woman who had a kid at 40, doesn’t prove anything. She is an outlier. She isn’t the mean.

No one is saying every single woman can’t have kids after 30.

The AVERAGE ability for a woman to have a child at all and have a healthy child and NO complication during pregnancy GO DOWN after 30.

All you have to do is say “I accept that is a fact” and we are all good here.

Just like I said. “No one is disputing the fact that an older man having a child isn’t going to have the same quality sperm he had when he was 20”. Meaning he might have a retard kid, but he still can have a kid.

The same with a 70 year old man. Not ALL 70 year old men, but most still produce viable sperm if they are healthy.

Where as 70 year old women just don’t have the ability to have children due to menopause.

So isn't fertility treatment and viagra the same just for different genders?

Nope.

Incorrect. Estrogen is the hormone for orgasm in both male and female brains.Men can produce milk if stimulated long enough on the nipples. We were both intersexed in utero. Sometimes there are XY men who are born physically female despite being male genetics. We are actually more similar than you think

Do you think I’m fucking stupid. I know all of that and more, if you want to get into waste of time nitty gritty details.

I MEANT IN CONTEXT TO THE CONVERSATION.

Womens sexual organs work differently than mens sexual organs.

How do they work ENTIRELY differently?

Men produce sperm. That’s it, they just do that forever until they basically die of old age.

Women have eggs in their ovaries that release once a month and are fertile at certain times and the sperm has to meet that egg, then that egg has to attach to the uterine lining and then all the hormones have to work right and then the fetus starts to grow and then the entire pregnancy happens, and at any time during that if anything goes wrong she has a miscarriage, etc etc.

ALL of that is different than, “produce sperm and shoot it out your dick”.

But please explain to Me how we all come from the same protohuman fetus that develops differently depending on hormone and genetic influences and how that’s relevant to this conversation.

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Sorry, but you’ve been spreading a bunch of bullshit all across this comment thread. Your anti-feminist buddies may be gullible enough to believe it, but the ones with critical thinking skills won’t.

Men’s fertility decreases as they age. - The idea that robust fertility for a man will continue well past a woman’s decline in fertility is untrue. (Abstract paragraph 3)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3253726/

Men’s sperm quality decreases as they age.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pmcEffects of increased paternal age on sperm quality, reproductive ...

Men’s paternal age affects the health of the unborn baby.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190513081409.htm

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/getting-pregnant/expert-answers/paternal-age/faq-20057873

Men’s paternal age increases likeliness of cognitive disorders in children, including autism and ADHD.

https://www.nature.com/articles/mp201570

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Hey asshole,

Men’s fertility decreases as they age.

I’ve been literally saying this the whole time. My very clear point is while it DECREASES, it doesn’t decrease to ZERO, like it doesn’t with the vast majority of women.

The idea that robust fertility for a man will continue well past a woman’s decline in fertility is untrue.

Idiot, the vast majority women CANT have children in their late 60’s/70’s, literally CANT.

Men CAN, it’s is decreased, yes, can there be issues, yes. Is it POSSIBLE YES.

That’s the whole difference. Stop lying and pretending there isn’t a difference.

Men’s sperm quality decreases as they age.

Yep, been saying that the whole time. Doesn’t change that men are still fertile and that “decrease” is like a massive drop off of quality.

Men’s paternal age affects the health of the unborn baby

Yup, been saying that this whole time. But the AGE of the mother significantly effects whether there is a pregnancy at all. If the woman keeps miscarrying at 45, there’s NO baby to have any affects on the health of.

Men’s paternal age increases likeliness of cognitive disorders in children, including autism and ADHD.

YUP, been saying that the whole time, once again, while men remain fertile and can produce sperm well into their 70’s, as they age like literally every year they age, they produce slightly less good quality sperm, literally due to aging, so 20 years olds have great quality sperm and 60 years have ok quality sperm.

But mix that 60 year olds sperm with a 23 year old woman’s egg and uterus and you’ve got a averagely statiscally ok baby with some chances of adhd or a little autism here or there.

Mix a 23 year olds man’s sperm with a 60 year old woman’s uterus and you get…

…nothing the vast majority of time, she went through menopause and is INfertile.

So, the fuck are you trying to prove here?

Women can have it all, the fancy job, the nice house, and have their kids in their late 50’s when their ready to settle down?

Like many men do? Like LOTS of men do.

Because, no that’s not happening. That’s not how any of this works.

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If you want to engage in a rational discussion, please get rid of the obnoxious petty remarks spaced between each comment. It’s not providing your argument with much merit.

It doesn’t decrease to ZERO like it doesn’t with the vast majority of women.

The point I’m trying to make is that men and women have the same biological timeclock. Our fertility doesn’t rapidly drop to zero as we hit 35. It gradually decreases until becomes increasingly difficult to reproduce. As women reach the age of 45-50, they go through menopause and can no longer give birth. The opposing side of this is that men go through performance issues. As you mentioned in your previous comments, the individuals who do successfully reproduce at a later age of their life are outliers.

Women can have it all, the fancy job, the nice house, and have their kids in their late 50’s when their ready to settle down?

This goes back to that outlier comment. Men are not having children in their 50’s. Why? Because 1) there’s an increased risk and difficulty to reproduce and; 2) men do not want children during their retirement as they are about to enter old age, and women do not want children with men who are incapable of raising them.

There is an abundance of examples where women will have a 3-5 year fling with older men and then decide to part ways to start a family of their own with a more capable man who is able to reproduce with her. 50 is well beyond a man’s prime to start a family.

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I’m just going to repeat a few of my points below.

What we are saying is men can still have children age 40 + but women at that age is basically barren and the decline happens like from age 27 +

The men who have children at this age are outliers, as illustrated in a previous comment. Women can also have children at those ages, too. My Auntie just recently gave birth to a baby girl at 41 and my mother had two girls in her mid to late 40’s.

A woman’s fertility only begins to decrease gradually at 35, not 27, and with many scientific advancements, it’s becoming increasingly easier for women to start a family in their 30’s, as most women now do.

Heck even at 40 men can give birth to healthy children as long as it’s a young mother.

This is an outlier we’ve described above. Women can give birth to healthy children at the age of 40, too. It’s not about the possibility, it’s about the median average.

Additionally, I’m not too sure the point that you’re attempting to convey here. Are you claiming that men are more desirable because they can have children at a later age? Because you’ll find that most men do not have the experience that you have been led to believe.

Men are not having children in their 50’s. Why? Because 1) there’s an increased risk and difficulty to reproduce and; 2) men do not want children during their retirement as they are about to enter old age, and women do not want children with men who are incapable of raising them.

There is an abundance of examples where women will have a 3-5 year fling with older men and then decide to part ways to start a family of their own with a more capable man who is able to reproduce with her. 50 is well beyond a man’s prime to start a family.

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What an uncalibrated comment. Im certain if i challenge you to a debate with succint comments you would back out because its easier to just name call then make a reasonable point. Look all those things women do that too probably more than men. And yes male attention is insanely important to women. Who wears makeup and dresses nice and sexy? Women do. In general are concerned about looks. Its 100% for male attention. Proof? The pandemic. With men not outside as much more women than ever was dressing down and not putting on so much makeup. Ao much so that sephora was struggling to stay in business. And its like u ask me to ignore the women literally lining up to get my attention at clubs. 3 weeks ago i didnt give attention to a girl trying to dance with me and her friends clowned her for the rejection. Its as if ur asking me to ignore me walking down the streets of nyc and women fixing their hair and clothes as soon as they see me from afar. U know why they do that? Its so they look nice for when i see them walk by. Those women are non reddit women, feminine they love male attention and they get wanted male attention. They get into real loving relationships and they get married and have kids. The reddit women are ugly fat degenerates who get unwanted male attention and acrewed over left and right on dating apps. So ofc they r gonna be bitter. Just read ur comment again, its of a bitter woman. And bitter women will say “dont approach me” or “dont talk to me” but in reality they would want nothing more than male attention from an attractive guy. Take ur bitter disgusting attitude eslewhere. Remember u came in here being bitter and complaining about men being bitter and conplaining about women. So you see how much of a hypocrit you are?

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u/levis-side-thot is right. You sound like a young teenager who’s still stuck in that “edgy phase” and has no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.

Like seriously? “Take the L. Loser”? You couldn’t sound more petulant than that.

This idea that only transgender women use make-up for creativity is not only transphobic because you’re insinuating transgender women differ from biological women, but it’s also objectively false. Source: Abby Roberts, Charlotte Roberts, Courtney Jade, Mikayala Nogueira, Zoella.

If women only wore make-up for male attention, then why is it that the most profitable products and most viewed tutorials are of bright colours, such as lipsticks, eyeshadow, eyeliner, fluffy lashes, etc, when men have consistently made it clear that they prefer women with a “natural face”. If women were seeking male attention, the most profitable products would be natural colours, except they aren’t. The top selling make-up products within the past few years were the Jeffree Star and James Charles collection – all of which consist of bright, sharp colours.

I don’t understand why you’re maintaining this fake persona as if you’re anything but a bitter incel projecting their insecurities on other women. Your comment screams impotence. Someone needs to knock you down a few notches.

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Hey little kid. Firstly, i never said ALL women wear it for male attention many do. And second, i got you here, that statement i made is not transphobic. A born woman is socialized very differently than a trans woman. Thus trans women use certain terms and language different than born women. How do I know? Im surrounded by trans ppl alot in my day to day. But u arent so what u know is from what u assume to know from the internet. And i was refering to parlance not the actual activity. Like i said i had a room mate who did that. And i also had a female room mate who thought he was wierd for using that language and the actual activity albeit fascinated.
I see ur strawman. Men do like natural faces everyone does even women. But we also like how women do their makeup. It can make an ugly rat face girl like you look better. So thats a dummm argument to make. The real fact is even that guy admitted it some women do wear makeup and clothes to attract men. Its not a secret. But my qualm is when women say they “NEVER” do that. Even u can agree thats not accurate.

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Firstly, i never said ALL women wear it for male attention many do.

Sure, buddy.

“And yes male attention is insanely important to women. Who wear makeup and dresses nice and sexy? Women do. In general are concerned about looks. Its 100% for male attention.”

And second, i got you here, that statement i made is not transphobic.

I disagree. It was a very naive blanket statement to differentiate between transgender women and cis women. Either way, it was completely false. If it wasn’t false, then we could argue whether your statement is transphobic or not. You have the tendency to demonstrate confidence in your response, yet you couldn’t be further from the truth. You know nothing about women.

Source: I am a woman.

But u arent so what u know is from what u assume to know from the internet.

Ditto. You just made an assumption about me and every single other woman on this planet.

It can make an ugly rat face girl like you look better.

Please quit with the projection. It’s extremely obnoxious when incels attempt to insult women who are out of their league and then fail miserably at doing so. The generic playground insults are only making you sound like an insecure idiot.

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Its 100% for male attention.

This doesnt mean 100% of women do it for male attention. This means the women who do it for male attention does it for male attention.

I disagree. It was a very naive blanket statement to differentiate between transgender women and cis women. Either way, it was completely false. If it wasn’t false, then we could argue whether your statement is transphobic or not. You have the tendency to demonstrate confidence in your response, yet you couldn’t be further from the truth. You know nothing about women.

LOL. pure bs, honestly that paragraph didnt say anything. It wasnt transphobic and you didnt prove that it was.

Source: I am a woman.

Your like 12, lol. ur not a woman yet. lol.

Ditto. You just made an assumption about me and every single other woman on this planet.

This statement is about trans woman. Trans woman and biological women are very very different. For starters, trans women and women socialized very differently growing up. Heck, even the usage of some words are different. And, honestly, the most transphobic ppl in the planet are women.

Please quit with the projection. It’s extremely obnoxious when incels attempt to insult women who are out of their league and then fail miserably at doing so. The generic playground insults are only making you sound like an insecure idiot.

LOL. honestly, your adorable. awww.

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How would u know that. In talking about the demographics of reddit based on the many pics uploaded and analyzing the way they speak. Plus in ny other reddit acc i went to a few reddit Meetup’s and o can say what i said above is not an assumption its a fact. Dude the last reddit meetup i went to during the pandemic. The crowd was so obese and nerdy i felt very embarrassed to be there. When i was introducing myself one guy felt so embarrassed at his own appearance and was so intimidated by my looks he literally hid himself from me. Then he left early. I mean reddit folks need help. They shudnt be out giving advice albeit i admit a lot of advice r good ones except for when it comes to women. Its not aurprising why a guy who hid his body and appearance from me when i was about to say hi to him coddles and worships women. So u see ur the one who has no clue.

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First google search was a search from the UK in 2017, where 1.8% of women were either lesbian or bisexual. That’s very simply not ‘most’. Many women also want kids. That’s not really an option without men.

Our rules are somewhat made up, but they’re what we’d want to commit our life to a woman. You don’t have to meet them, we don’t have to commit to you, same with your standards on us.

Finally, I want to be the best partner that I can be for my girlfriend. I also want to be the best future father that I can be. This means that I wouldn’t want the person that I love to feel insecure, or not as valued. I want to value them more than anything. How am I showing how much I value the relationship if I’ve given away a key intimate aspect of it to many women beforehand? If I believe that intimacy isn’t just a physical relief, I won’t have it with anything that I think looks nice.

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A truism in psychology is the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This is no less true with sexual behavior. One of the strongest predictors of marital infidelity is one’s number of prior sex partners.

Haselton MG, Buss DM, Oubaid V, Angleitner A. Sex, Lies, and Strategic Interference: The Psychology of Deception Between the Sexes. Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin. 2005;31(1):3-23.

we evaluated the association between infidelity and sexual experience, as prior studies have found that people with more sexual relationships in the past are more likely to have secondary sex partners (Bozon, 1996).

Regarding the correlates of infidelity, results indicated that on the basis of both methods of assessment, the probability of sexual infidelity (a) was greater for Blacks (relative to the remainder of the sample), (b) decreased with higher religiosity, (c) increased with higher number of lifetime sexual partners

Sexual infidelity in a national survey of American women: differences in prevalence and correlates as a function of method of assessment. Mark A. Whisman, Douglas K. Snyder J Fam Psychol. 2007 Jun; 21(2): 147–154.

Our findings demonstrate that infidelity and number of sexual partners are both under moderate genetic influence (41% and 38% heritable, respectively) and the genetic correlation between these two traits is strong (47%).

Not surprisingly, the average number of sexual partners was significantly higher among respondents who had been unfaithful compared with those who had remained faithful (7.73 vs. 3.78, p < .001). The phenotypic correlation between these traits was .36 (p < .001).

The resulting genetic correlation between the two traits was .47, so nearly half the genes impacting on infidelity also affect number of sexual partners. The correlation of the unique environment between the two variables was .48.

Genetic influences on female infidelity and number of sexual partners in humans: a linkage and association study of the role of the vasopressin receptor gene (AVPR1A). Lynn F. Cherkas, Elizabeth C. Oelsner, Y. T. Mak, Anna Valdes, Tim D. Spector Twin Res. 2004 Dec; 7(6): 649–658.

approximately half of the men and women in the top (withinsex) quintiles of sociosexuality had been sexually unfaithful to a steady partner; this was more than a tenfold increase over the corresponding rate for people in the bottom quintiles. Sexual infidelity is a common cause of divorce cross-culturally (Buss, 1994)

Do individual differences in sociosexuality represent genetic or environmentally contingent strategies? Evidence from the Australian twin registry. J. M. Bailey, K. M. Kirk, G. Zhu, M. P. Dunne, N. G. Martin J Pers Soc Psychol. 2000 Mar; 78(3): 537–545.

Individuals exhibiting sexually permissive attitudes and those who have had a high number of past sexual relationships are more likely to engage in infidelity (Feldman & Cauffman, 1999). In a study of supposedly exclusive dating couples, it was found that individuals exhibiting an ‘unrestricted’ sociosexual orientation (SO) were significantly more likely to pursue extra-pair involvement (Seal, Agostinelli, & Hannett, 1994). Individuals are said to be unrestricted if they score high on the Sociosexual Orientation Index (SOI). Items on this scale include a question tapping whether the respondent feels that love is a prerequisite for sexual relations with a partner, the number of ‘one-night stands’ a respondent has had, and how many partners he or she hopes to have in the next year (Simpson & Gangestad, 1991).

A preliminary ANOVA analysis revealed that individuals reporting a past history of infidelity tended to have a greater number of past sexual partners than those without a history of infidelity

individuals with a history of infidelity, compared with those without, have a relatively unrestricted SO.

Barta, W. D., & Kiene, S. M. (2005). Motivations for infidelity in heterosexual dating couples: The roles of gender, personality differences, and sociosexual orientation. Journal of Social and Personal Relationships, 22(3), 339-360.

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A truism in psychology is the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. This is no less true with sexual behavior. One of the strongest predictors of marital infidelity is one’s number of prior sex partners

This was a hypothesis or a prediction. The paper you referenced didn't actually prove that. You just quoted their hypothesis.

They said " Ratings did not differ by sex (ps > .05), failing to support Prediction 10." So they proved this false in the source you provided. Haha.

Neither of these articles can be found. The text is missing. Can you provide the PDFs of them?

Genetic influences on female infidelity and number of sexual partners in humans: a linkage and association study of the role of the vasopressin receptor gene (AVPR1A). Lynn F. Cherkas, Elizabeth C. Oelsner, Y. T. Mak, Anna Valdes, Tim D. Spector Twin Res. 2004 Dec; 7(6): 649–658.
Sexual infidelity in a national survey of American women: differences in prevalence and correlates as a function of method of assessment. Mark A. Whisman, Douglas K. Snyder J Fam Psychol. 2007 Jun; 21(2): 147–154.

Individuals exhibiting sexually permissive attitudes and those who have had a high number of past sexual relationships are more likely to engage in infidelity (Feldman & Cauffman, 1999). In a study of supposedly exclusive dating couples, it was found that individuals exhibiting an ‘unrestricted’ sociosexual orientation (SO) were significantly more likely to pursue extra-pair involvement (Seal, Agostinelli, & Hannett, 1994). Individuals are said to be unrestricted if they score high on the Sociosexual Orientation Index (SOI). Items on this scale include a question tapping whether the respondent feels that love is a prerequisite for sexual relations with a partner, the number of ‘one-night stands’ a respondent has had, and how many partners he or she hopes to have in the next year (Simpson & Gangestad, 1991).
A preliminary ANOVA analysis revealed that individuals reporting a past history of infidelity tended to have a greater number of past sexual partners than those without a history of infidelity
individuals with a history of infidelity, compared with those without, have a relatively unrestricted SO.

I illustrate the reason behind this finding below. The researchers just say cheaters have more partners, not those who have more partners before a monogamous relationship cheat. Most of those that cheat report relationship dissatisfaction and neglect as primary motives. Not an ingrained tendency from years of sex.

Do you have any evidence from the last 5 years? All of these sources are woefully outdated.

Also you are failing to document when these partners occurred, prior or during a relationship. Obviously a cheater is going to have more partners than a person who is in a couple or a single person. Also the cheater often cheats with single people, who might not know of the cheater's status. I don't you can prove that having

For example, let's use money and spending it on fast food vs home cooked meals after a mortgage.

Let's say for 20 years you bought fast food before you bought a house and now only buy food to cook at home. 20 years of fast food = more money spent on fast food. Does that mean it predicts you will spend money on. fast food now that you have a house?

Compared to someone who only spent 5 years on fast food before owning a house. They have only 5 years worth of money spent on fast food over all.

Yet a person who is the "cheater", has spent 15 years on fast food prior to their mortgage, plus has spent 5 years on fast food despite having a mortgage.

So the cheater has 20 years fast food and so does the person who took 20 years before they bought a home. Are these people equivalent? No.

It is almost like you are trying to play the game of minority report, where you trap people into predetermined lifestyles.

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This was a hypothesis or a prediction. The paper you referenced didn't actually prove that. You just quoted their hypothesis.

You clearly failed to understand the cited paper. The hypothesis was that men care more about being lying about past promiscuity (which was shown to be false, both genders care as much), not that past promiscuity isn't linked to infidelity. The statement "one of the strongest predictors of marital infidelity is one's number of prior sex partners" is cited as factual by the author based on other sources. Learn to read.

Neither of these articles can be found. The text is missing. Can you provide the PDFs of them?

The PDFs are easily accessible on the usual places (libgen, book-sc)

Do you have any evidence from the last 5 years?

Completely arbitrary criteria. If you want to argue they are outdated, you will need better than that.

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Lol for men wanting to go their own way, you sure seem to obsess with women a lot. Feminism is about women having control over their lives, this anti feminist bullcrap is about insecure useless males crying that the world doesn’t revolve around them and that no one gives a flying fuck about their opinions because they don’t matter. Why tf would a woman give two shits what a random male whom she’s never met thinks about her. This is HER BODY! She can sleep around however much she likes. Sure you can prefer to have a partner with low body count, no ones forcing you to marry these “sluts”. Just find yourself a woman with low body count. Now if you can’t find such a woman, too bad, deal with it. Can’t force others to live their a lives to your preferences. But your standards won’t matter when u yourselves are low quality sub par males. Lol, ur so delusional to want a perfect virgin when ur literally bottom of the barrel men. stop obsessing over others sex lived u creeps.

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You know what, you’re 100% right. Objectifying women and placing value on their bodies definitely isn’t shameful behaviour, neither is it misogynistic. The quotes below aren’t shaming women either:

“When a woman slept with somebody, she lowered her value before”

“It is not my fault you can’t kept your legs close.”

“It is our opinion to dislike and disencourage other people from going down a shithole.”

“Remember, men have no shortage because most women are cheap sell outs.”

“A man gain respect and value by being better while a women gain respect by keeping her legs close.”

“There is a reason why people don’t respect women that can’t keep their legs close”

“Don’t be shocked when people calls a women who slept with many men a slut and that is all.”

“be thankful a man, if ever, chooses ur ugly ass.”

He even compares women having a high body count to men abusing women, see here.

Go back to r/femaledatingstrategy.

I’ve never participated in that sub in my life, but if that’s how you view women who don’t believe in shaming others based on superficial standards, then perhaps I’ll check it out.

Both genders shame each other

Whataboutism.

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Respect is gain from others.

You miss the fact that a lot of people don't care about being respected by people they themselves don't respect.

There is a reason why people don't respect women that can't kept their legs close

Yeah no shit, there's a reason for everything, except not everyone thinks that an adult having engaged in consensual sexual activities with another adult is deserving of disrespect. And it's not that sexually active and promiscuous women "can't" keep their legs closed, they just don't fucking want to, you clown. I myself don't want to go down that route since I value more emotional intimacy over physical pleasure- but in no fucking way am I gonna spit in the face of promiscuous people like this; it's none of my fucking business.

This is just your warped fuckin view on the world because you're deeply insecure and don't want women living the way they want; so much that you have to post a comic depicting your delusion about women crying over their sinful and slutty actions and portray them as if they actually believe what you believe. Literally nobody is fucking asking you to date sexually active women. You're the one getting all up in their shit. Buzz off.

"Oh but women in their 30s and 40s with loose stinky vaginas that are single mothers going through menopause ALWAYS complain and whine about the good men!!!!!! If only they preserved their values and didn't sleep with so many chads when they were younger!!!!!!"

Criticize and complain about the women that are specifically ATTACKING you. Don't talk shit about people that don't want anything to do with your greasy self and have you judging their lifestyles and choices and deciding what makes them a good person and what decisions they should and shouldn't have made.

The only possible way you can do yourself justice and make it so that your views hold any merit at all is if you portray the woman deeply regretting her decisions when you do not, at all, speak for all women nor all men.

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