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[–]japanese-bo1 38 points39 points40 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
they're basically the victims of feminism, i often debate with these kinds of people and i bring up points like the core flaw even in the idea of feminism being about equality, or that how they are very clearly fighting against men's rights
[–]Zaurka14 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd love to hear all your arguments. I'm serious.
[–]HandsomeJack44 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When feminist organizations like the UN would rather scream about more women being CEOs and turn a blind eye to things like Saudi Fucking Arabia you know to not take them seriously
[–]Thor-Loki-1 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or any other Middle East/Muslim country.
[–]VeteranOfDepression 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
damn right
[–]Sun_74 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And people still act like the Label has power to it in 2020, in 1918 it was certainly extroadinary and a step to logic and reasoning with women finally getting the same power as men to vote. Now it's just been tainted with SJWs (and then the Anti-SJW community had a fall). Ironically, Feminism in the 20th century was transphobic with it coming around to accepting minorities more recently.
At this point, the Label of Feminism has been stretched further than the universe with some people still thinking it stands for equality, I remember a girl on Instagram being attacked for saying they don't need Feminism for equality with people saying that Feminism is a necessity despite the Label being so stretched.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait whats the difference?
[+]terrortackler -24 points-23 points-22 points 3 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Depends which type but yeah.
[–]Jakeybaby125 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
It's all types
[+]terrortackler -16 points-15 points-14 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Not necessarily, some of them actually want equality in places where women are actually discriminated against
[–]arn456 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But they shouldn't focus on western countries or even in India. I do know a select few who actually care about men's rights but they face a lot of backlash by all these other feminists in feminists pages and etc. Why are the feminists focusing on non existing issues like wage gap, man spreading and other bullshit when women in the middle east are being treated egregiously?? What are feminists trying to change in the west??
[–]Sun_74 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, so many political figures turn a blind eye to the Middle East in terms of gender equality, it doesn't help that groups such as Feminism do the same.
[+]gardenpath70 points 3 years ago [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link
Yeh don't worry. There are a lot of incels in this sub.
[–]Jakeybaby125 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Except I'm not one of them. I'm all for equality. I'm just sick of people thinking feminism is the way to get it
A society where gender isn't even in the equation (apart from biological things) of jobs would be actual equality
[+]gardenpath7-1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Feminism was the way to get it in the past in the UK/US. And feminism is a way to get it in a great number of countries in the present. Feel free to PM me if you're not sure what I mean, though hopefully you do.
[–]Jakeybaby125 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Kinda do but I think feminism is only really needed in the countries the BIGI Index says where women are more disadvantaged and those countries are now in the minority
[–]Sun_74 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
At this point, Feminism in the 1900s was very beneficial and great to get women's rights to be equal to men but now it has degraded with political correctness and SJW views. A majority of people labelling themselves Feminists have a lot of Misandrit views and thus the label now has a negative stigma as labels change overtime as the movement changes. (I would let 1900s Feminism get away with not focusing on mens issues as men were way more dominant in society back then although things like respectability and reputation were a big strain on men)
Many Feminists complain to much about irrelevant problems (such as female character designs, despite many male designs depicting tall buff men, the wage gap and manspreading), in the wrong place that is the Western World, rather than real problems like how disgusting laws about rape are in Eastern countries where it's legal to rape women, in some countries rape is allowed if the couple is married. Some countries also have child arranged marriages with 14 year old girls being married off to some 20 year old. The list goes on.
[–]the-mega-sad 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I doubt you even know what incel means.
[–]Drayelya 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
“Everyone who disagrees with me and women is an incel.”
[+]gardenpath71 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
What's with the rhetoric?
[–]Drayelya 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know why don’t you tell me since you’re the one spouting it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Shaming men for not being manly enough. Where does this concept come from again? Ah, right. The feminist "toxic masculinity". Guess you're an incel now.
Jesus, you're absolutely fucked. Definitely an incel yourself.
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kys.
[+]The-Last-Director -20 points-19 points-18 points 3 years ago (111 children) | Copy Link
This is not true, feminism is both sex equality by definition, some extreme feminist make it look like it’s about “men bad women good” but the definition of feminism is equality’s among the 2 sexes
[–]Indumentum97 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That’s why it’s called Feminism, right? Men aren’t feminine and they shouldn’t be. How about Meninism or Masculism? Does that sound equal to you?
[–]The-Last-Director 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope
[–]Indumentum97 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then why should Feminism be equalness?
[–]The-Last-Director 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True feminism has the same ideologys
[–]Sun_74 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Egalitarianism is the way to go, Masculinism just has an incel tone to it (idk if it's just me)
[–]Indumentum97 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it was sarcastic, of course it sounds stupid
[–]R1pY0u 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Nope. It's purely the advancement of women's rights. Here the official definition:
the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
Egalitarianism is for equality. Here is the definition for that one:
the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities
[+]The-Last-Director -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
You litterly proved my point in your “official definition” it states that feminism is advocating for women’s rights (on ground of equality for both sexes) it’s fighting for equality’s the reason why feminism was focusing on women is because women didn’t have rights at that time
[–]R1pY0u 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
This definition proves that they only care about women's issues. As if feminism had ever bothered to even mention a problem men have.
[–]The-Last-Director -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
The “official definition” would derive from the original definition that was fighting was women’s rights, and that was back decades ago when women couldn’t vote, own property, have freedoms and rights, of course the “official definition” would say that it is referring to the original definition where women’s issues were way worse
[–]R1pY0u 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Go to a feminist instagram page. As if you'd find a single post that even remotely mentions men's issues. Much rather half of them are openly hostile towards men. Toxic fucking movement that noone should support.
[–]Zaurka14 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm actually on the biggest polish feminist group and they're very supportive towards men's problems, especially men's rape and home violence which is often ignored by police because (usually other men) think it's "unmanly" to not be excited for getting laid, even if it was against your will, or that it's pathetic to be beaten or threatened by your (female) partner.
The same group is also active towards LGBT right, and basically all my news on that topic I get from there because they're always up to date.
And Poland is not really the most equal country when it comes to women's rights, so I really support what they're fighting for. The country just got a new minister of education who thinks that women are basically objects and that they shouldn't have careers, and he mentions how it's ok when men are alcoholics, but not ok for women. Yeah, great guy. Wonderful country. 2/10.
[–]The-Last-Director -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Actually I’ve seen big feminism pages on Instagram talk about men’s issues such as men’s feeling not to express emotion under society standers but we don’t need to deflect the argument over generalizeing all feminist pages about not caring about men’s issues because you’ve seen a few not talk about it, also you are completely ignoring the point I just gave you, I disproved your point about the definition of actual feminism and now you shift it to Instagram pages. Let’s stay on topic R1pY0u
[–]R1pY0u 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Your point was, that the very definition you named as proof that feminism was equality, is actually false. You say that I am generalizing all feminists and yes, in a way that is true.
I have been to many feminist pages, and faar more often did I find openly man-hating posts, than actually posts mentioning men's issues.
You did not disprove my point about the actual definition of feminism. All you said is that many decades ago, women couldn't vote and shit. What does that have to do with what it is doing now?
You kind of got that notion in your head that feminism cares about both genders, but that's just factually incorrect. I just looked through the two largest feminism pages on instragram (@feminist and @feminism) and could not find a single post talking about what you claim. And I looked through the most recent 50 posts each.
Oh, and the definition itself ALSO states that the movement advocates for women's rights. And let's not forget about the dozens of events focussing on men's suicide rates etc, where feminidts blantantly went and protested against. Nice.
I disproved your point about the definition of actual feminism
You did not. Now it's your turn. Go and disprove what I just told you.
[–]The-Last-Director -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
You missed my point I mention about voting and rights because I was saying that your definition of feminism was dirived from the original definition of feminism when women didn’t have rights and couldn’t vote, you should pay more attention next time, also not gonna get into this you are deflecting the argument yet again, there are pages such as @feministvoice that’s talk about men’s problems but again that’s besides the point,
You think you’re right because you didn’t understand my replies, mabye you can’t understand the wording or my standing of reading a replie is too high but you didn’t understand my other replies
It’s interesting how you admited that you are generalizing all feminist which is the whole intire problem here, again the modern definition of feminism is equality of both sexes the reason why you think it’s not is because you generalize all feminist, don’t let the extremeists change the definition, you have to fight that
If you counting to deflect the argument this isn’t an argument
[–]R1pY0u 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Funny how you can talk about deflexting arguments, while going into just one of my arguments. You can quoting one 400k subs instragram account sadly does not make up for the 6 million subs accounts thatare man-hating. Sorry.
Plus, I never deflected youe argument. I simply fail to see how it matters that historically women couldn't vote or drive etc. Because the definition I gave you at the very start is the one of modern feminism.
So what's your point?
again the modern definition of feminism is equality of both sexes
It isn't. It's the one I gave you. Women's rights. Not equality.
Yes I generalize feminists, because at least 90% of the movement doesn't give a shit about men's rights and never has.
I'm sure there are a few people in the KKK, but these guys don't represent the movement. Just as your 400k page does not represent the actions of feminism. Which are inherintly man-hating.
Two weeks ago, #killallmen and #killallmen2020 were the top trending hashtags on Twitter. Guess what movement promoted them? Yeah, you guessed it.
Wow you are actually retarded. My condolences and hope you get better.
Your posts are even more retarded than the feminist who posted on r/femaledatingstrategy about how terrifying men's rights are.
You continue to argue that feminism is about equality while at the same time acknowledging and still ignoring how it cares nothing for men's issues.
[–]Jakeybaby125 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (75 children) | Copy Link
It's not otherwise I'd be a male feminist. Feminism is a misandric bigoted movement that seeks to further female privilege and openly discriminate against men
[–]The-Last-Director -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (74 children) | Copy Link
Your mind is being altered by you generalizeing all feminist as extreme, true feminism is for equality over the sexes
[–]Jakeybaby125 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link
Because they are all extreme. Egalitarianism is about equality, not feminism. Feminism hates men. That's a fact. Sorry about your brainwashing. I refuse to support a movement that promotes the Duluth Model, denies men can be raped and refuses to condemn Amber Heard for what she did to Johnny Depp.
[–]The-Last-Director -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (71 children) | Copy Link
I can see that your argument is on an emotional level more then a logical level, generalizing all people of a group because of o few you’ve seen is not right and is completely idiotic, and immature, it’s the same logic as “all black people are thugs”, “all muslims are terrorists” ect, it is the generalization of a group based on a few experiences with that group,
it’s an emotion argument not a logical or factual one, see for instance the nazis, everyone can fully say that they were all racist racists because that was the purpose of there whole movement but the actual true feminism is fighting for both sexes
[–]Jakeybaby125 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (70 children) | Copy Link
You're using the No True Scotsman Fallacy which means you're immediately as bad as the people you claim are not true feminists. You either call them out or you are just as bad as they are as, by saying they're not true feminists, you're condoning the misandric bullshit they spew out which makes you just as bad as they are. Btw, they don't. Give me an example of feminists fighting for mens rights. I'll wait
In the meantime I'll come up with my argument. In order to be a movement for equality, you need to focus on the issues affecting both men and women. Feminism only focuses on the issues affecting women and ignores, if not aggravates, issues affecting men hence why it's not a movement for equality. Feminism is not for men. Feminism doesn't care about men. If you still think it's about equality, try saying that to Christina Hoff Sommers one of your own who was demonised as an alt-right Nazi for trying to bring attention to mens issues. Try saying that to Earl Silverman who tried to open up a mens domestic abuse shelter but was doxxed so horribly by feminists he eventually committed suicide. Try saying that to Erin Pizzey who set up the world's first domestic abuse shelter who, when she tried to do the same for men, was sent death and bomb threats by feminists, had her dogs kidnapped and slaughtered, was banned from her own shelter and had to get a bomb squad to search through her mail. Try saying that to Warren Farrell who was kicked out of the NOW for trying to bring attention to mens issues within feminism. Meanwhile these same feminists praise the likes of Valerie Solanos, who published the SCUM Manifesto, Andrea Dworkin, who campaigned for the male population to be reduced to 10% of the actual population and for it to be kept that way and Mary P. Kiss who made the rape laws for most Western countries and made it so she excluded men as she thought men couldn't be raped. These are the true feminists you're on about. All mainstream. They're not the extreme minority. They're the normal majority
[–]The-Last-Director -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (69 children) | Copy Link
Again my logic still applies you are using emotion to stir your argument agian like I said those extremists aren’t to majority. I wouldn’t label them as “feminists” again it’s idiotic and immature to based a whole opinion on a group over a few experiences
[–]Jakeybaby125 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (67 children) | Copy Link
I'm not. I'm using facts. These are actual things feminists have done which others like you refuse to condemn. They are feminists. Call them out! You're completely ignoring all of it as it doesn't fit your narrative
[–]The-Last-Director -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (66 children) | Copy Link
No I completely condem extremist feminism, but you are absolutely not at all using “logic” your “logic” is bashing a whole stereotype agiants a groups because of a few you’ve experienced, if you think like that you absolutely should think that all muslims are terrorists since the Quran commands them to kill and you have seen a few bombings the the terrorists who happened to be muslims, but if you don’t believe that, well you’re just a hypocrite, what are a hypocrite or are you just factually wrong?
[–]Jakeybaby125 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (65 children) | Copy Link
I'm factually right. I'm using logic by saying that these are mainstream normal feminists, not fringe extremists. The NOW are mainstream normal feminists and they refuse to give paternal rights or equal custody to men. Some political parties in Sweden are mainstream normal feminists and they have constantly spoken out against making the draft gender neutral. Are you a male feminist by any chance?
Then name a single feminist group that advocates for men's rights...
You do realise that the biggest instagram feminist accounts with over 6 million followers have misandrit views, groups should be judged by their majority and the majority of modern Feminists are misandrits
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Definition and in practice are two different things.
Yep
You do realise that the definition of a Label like Feminism is subject to change and the members of that movement get different views to what is was originally right?
[–]Drayelya 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
“Some” you say. Meanwhile prominent figures in the movement have, and regularly do, espouse “men bad women good”.
An example: https://thoughtcatalog.com/jake-fillis/2014/05/23-quotes-from-feminists-that-will-make-you-rethink-feminism/
[–]The-Last-Director 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My saying of “some” still applies
[–]Drayelya 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Not by a long shot considering these are the people you and others like you follow.
EDIT: Let’s also not forget the pussy hat marches which involved tens of millions of feminists in the US alone. The “speeches” at these events were rife with hate too.
And the definition of North Korea is to be a democratic people's republic. Your logical fallacy is the same unfounded tiresome nonsense every feminist spouts.
All of the prominent feminist figures have literally advocated for reducing male population and talking about female superiority.
The only and I mean the ONLY feminist subgroup that remotely is about equality is intersectional feminism and even that one does not care about men's rights.
People like you are always quick to use the words feminism and equality in the same sentence. But when asked how important men's issues are, only misandry comes out of your mouth.
[–]Prof_Bean 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not necessarily shit, those people are often just unaware of what feminism is, and are in for a rude awakening lmao
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[+]gardenpath70 points [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link
Yeh don't worry. There are a lot of incels in this sub.
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Feminism was the way to get it in the past in the UK/US. And feminism is a way to get it in a great number of countries in the present. Feel free to PM me if you're not sure what I mean, though hopefully you do.
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What's with the rhetoric?
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Jesus, you're absolutely fucked. Definitely an incel yourself.
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