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[–]ConnorGracie[S] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucked up the title, oh well
[–]SinglehoodVeteran20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
Weird how "creepiness" was associated with an ectomorph/skinny body type. I'd have figured that a mesomorph/muscular type would have set off more "creepy" vibes since a stronger looking male poses more of a potential physical threat than a skinny guy or a chubby guy.
[–]ConnorGracie[S] 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
It's based on who they want to fuck, another nail in the coffin for feminists who say it's about men being stronger than them, it's about looks.
[–]crestind15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think there's also a factor of "disease avoidance" involved?
Skinny could imply presence of some sort of infectious disease (subconsciously speaking). Fat simply implies very well fed. If we go with the generic evolution psych hypothesis, fat is always advantageous as it shows abundant resources. However neither fatties nor skeletors are attractive.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
That is certainly a real possibility for some of the reasoning behind this type of reaction. There definitely are a bunch of women who get butthurt or annoyed by men they deem unattractive approaching them. Those kind of women most likely would say that is a "creepy" thing, even though it's not.
But imo creepiness isn't about sexual attraction at all, it's about red flags that go up regarding your personal safety. For example, if I'm being obviously followed by someone while in a grocery store, it doesn't matter if the person is male or female, old or young, black or white, hot or unattractive... being stalked by a random person is creepy behavior no matter what.
Let the downvotes commence, I guess. 😒
[–]minoxidilcel15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
tee hee its the other girls im not like that at all
what are the chances you just lack self awareness when you do the exact same as the other women? if asked, only a very tiny minority of women would admit that to them, ugly=creepy, yet we still end up with statistics like presented in this post.
[–]ConnorGracie[S] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The confusion about metoo is around the fact that everyone wants sex but at the same time rape is one of the most heinous crimes recognized by society at least when done to women. No man can really knows when hes crossed the line and even if he does hes already done it's too late. Asking for consent is just another form of harassment.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Please refrain from using quotations when that's not what I said. I greatly dislike it when people put words in my mouth.
what are the chances you just lack self awareness when you do the exact same as the other women?
Not very good. I'm incredibly self-aware, and highly empathetic in addition to being autistic/PPD. That already means my brain doesn't work the same as normal females. I am also employed at two jobs (edit to add: I work at a sex toy/doll store during the week, and work at a gaming/comic shop on Saturdays) that should, in theory, mean I'd come across a majority of male customers considered "creepy" by most and yet have never deemed them as such unless their actual behavior...not looks...is potentially dangerous.
if asked, only a very tiny minority of women would admit that to them, ugly=creepy, yet we still end up with statistics like presented in this post.
Yes, that's likely true. But actions speak louder than words, and if they act how they say they don't, it can very easily be pointed out how hypocritical they're being. Statistics are excellent for making generalizations and are quite useful for conversational shortcuts, but remember that the exceptions prove the rule. Even if it can be factually proven that 99% of X group does Y behavior, it still means that 1% exists that does not.
[–]ConnorGracie[S] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A high empathy autistic???? sex shop and video games, snowflake as fuck.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a very common misconception that autistic people as a whole don't have empathy. For some of us it's a problem, but many of us have normal or even excessive levels of empathy for other people and animals. It's just that we don't always have typical responses (body language, facial expressions) towards people we know are in distress so we usually suck at comforting others even though we are feeling their pain. For example, a lot of us... myself included... have minor haphephobia, a dislike or fear of physical touch. So while someone who is crying may want a hug from us as a form of comfort, we may not automatically think of giving one whereas someone without autism probably would. We're more likely to use words instead of physical actions, because they're easier.
As for being a "snowflake", I don't know what you mean? Doesn't this term typically apply to people who are rather arrogant and think they're better/more unique than others for no reason? I definitely don't think my jobs somehow make me a superior human compared to other people, they just give me some customer experiences that many wouldn't have gotten working in normal retail locations. But I'm a gamer nerd myself, so I'd shop there weekly even if I didn't get an employee discount, lol.
Seriously though, why do you think I'm a "snowflake"?
[–]fridgefucker128 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Congratulations, you're different, doesn't change the result and truth for the entire rest of your sex. You're tiny anecdotal evidence doesn't mean jack shit.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's nothing worth "congratulating", and it's not only me. There are other people, of both sexes, who empathize with your issues and don't want to see the media running around calling all incels mass murderers or entitled, misogynistic assholes. Likewise, there are men and women who are getting pissed off about all this weird sjw shit that's trying to essentially legalize misandry.
Why can't we work together to support one another and become a louder voice than the tradcons, Feminists, and social justice idiots? Why the need to push everyone into predetermined boxes that don't fit?
[–]captaindestucto1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
The research doesn't deal with behaviours; it deals with the perception of creepiness based on appearance.
"Just be decent and you'll be fine" is not going to be much comfort to unattractive men who's characters are being pre-emptively judged negatively, and who's behaviour is likely to be interpreted differently. The fact that you might be more sympathetic and less apt to making snap judgements doesn't change anything.
If you're so down with men's interests and against the mass shaming engaged in by SJWs/feminists then why even bother disputing this?
[–]SinglehoodVeteran0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm not disputing the results of the study. I simply remarked that it is extremely strange that a skinny male body type was shown to be considered "creepy" by the participants instead of a more threatening muscular body type. When a man or woman experiences a creepy sensation, it is typically in regards to a person, object, or situation that is off-putting or disturbing. Namely, something the more primitive portion of our brains perceive as a potential danger. It is odd that a muscular build wasn't seen as more threatening, since it obviously is.
[–]captaindestucto0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
It's not really that odd. They're not attracted to skinny/less masculine men, and what's unattractive gets equated to other things that are negative. In mens' case this often ends up being "creepy". It's the other side of the Halo Effect. On top of that some women would rather justify negative feelings towards such men by claiming they seem creepy instead than admitting that they're just repulsed by them.
This is 'unattractive male lived experience 101' stuff and not a particularly original insight for most of us here.
[–]fridgefucker1210 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You're commenting on a thread where direct scientific evidence in the post contradicts your beliefs and you say bring on the downvotes?
Ok.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Scientific evidence is, by necessity, generalizations. So yeah, I disagree with saying all men are X or all women are Y because you can't put all people into neat little boxes. Individuals exist, not robots all programmed a certain way. But some people lack understanding of this so of course I was expecting downvotes.
[–]fridgefucker128 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Scientific evidence is, by necessity, generalizations.
Wow...not even fucking close. That may be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read in my life. I'm literally in awe of your stupidity right now and feel slightly dumber for having read that. Google scientific evidence, empirical evidence, research based hypotheses,etc... actually, just go back to school and pay attention. You need it.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's generalizations vs anecdotes, dude. That's all I meant. I have a minor in both biology and philosophy, and my main degree is in business management. I understand the scientific method, types of research, laws vs theories vs hypotheses, statistics, etc.
But instead of actually contributing to the conversation, even to just inform me of how I'm "wrong" by speaking simplistically, you just throw insults. Why? What is there to gain by acting out like that?
[–]ConnorGracie[S] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Showing interest while not attractive is creepy, hence why oldschool pua promotes indirect approach exclusively and used dhvs for improve your chances while looking for iois.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Showing interest while not attractive is creepy
But why? If a really ugly woman hits on you, you'd consider that creepy? You wouldn't just feel neutral about the interaction, or maybe a little happy they took the time to tell you so, and then you tell them something nice back so their feelings aren't as hurt?
hence why oldschool pua promotes indirect approach exclusively and used dhvs for improve your chances while looking for iois.
I've researched PUA techniques hoping they could lend some insight into body language and picking up the conversational subtleties that normal people use, so can see how indirect approaches could help if you're trying to get with a nervous or shy woman.
[–]ConnorGracie[S] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm saying for men showing interest, women can get away with anything.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran-1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Okay, so your answer to the question would be no, you personally wouldn't find it creepy if an ugly woman approached you.
Same here, it's not creepy when ugly men or women approach me, it's a neutral interaction, like being approached by religious people or door-to-door salespeople. You simply listen to what they have to say, thank them for letting you know about the opportunity to date them/join a church/buy a product, and politely decline said offer. It wouldn't be creepy unless they did something really weird, like try to come in your house, touch you, etc.
I've actually had conversations with female co-workers who were hit on by guys they claimed were creepy. Even after watching these interactions, I still didn't understand how it could be considered creepy, instead of just neutral or at most mildly annoying. (Because yes, it can be annoying or get you in trouble with your manager when you're trying to ring other customers out or restock the shelves and a random dude keeps attempting to ask you out. But even following women around while they are working is just rude, not creepy.)
Each time I asked why it was creepy, they said it "just is". Which is not much of an answer, so it's like they're using a word to describe an interaction without actually knowing what it means.
[–]saysumthing127 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think evolutionary reasons must be at least somewhere relevant here - a man is unlikely to be overpowered by even multiple women, and can't get pregnant regardless. It's not a big deal if even a few unattractive women antagonize him. Flip it around and not only is a woman unable to fight back against almost all men, but she can end up pregnant from rape as well. There's some research that shows women are more likely to avoid high rape risk situations during peak fertility in the ovulatory cycle as well. I wouldn't be surprised if aversion to "creepy" men increased as well.
You do have a very relevant point regarding pregnancy, but perhaps less of one regarding an individual man or woman's danger in being overpowered. In a face-to-face, punching out sort of fight? Yes, the majority of men will win over the majority of women. But there are moves a woman can use to overpower a man who is attacking her. I've had to use them on two different occasions in my life so far, and while I did get bruised and was definitely frightened, the males attempting to hurt me ended up worse and on the ground. I also personally know a man who, while he was in peak physical condition in college, was actually raped by a woman who was taller and heavier than him. I also casually know two other men from a therapy group who were raped by female acquaintances/ex-girlfriends while in high school. Although all 4 of us combined are still just anecdotes, the sheer amount of males who suffer from domestic violence in their relationships but receive no help seems to be evidence that there is perhaps not such a large discrepancy in ability to harm or be harmed by the opposite sex.
What do you think? Have you known anyone with similar experiences?
[–]Enigmatic93[🍰] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's because creepiness isn't so much about presenting a physical threat to women as it is about presenting a threat of getting impregnated by an inferior male and having inferior children. If it was about being threatening then criminals wouldn't get any pussy. Women think almost entirely with their womb and make many of their social decisions based on looks as looks signal health.
I guess in the minds of women, ecotmorphs look sickly and thus would produce weak children.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's an interesting hypothesis, but how would it hold up to the fact that the overwhelming majority of social interactions being women and men don't involve sexuality or intimacy to any relevant degree?
A female cashier at CVS isn't thinking of having sex with her male customers or worrying about getting pregnant by them... she's being polite as a customer service rep and scanning out their purchases, but is thinking about what she's having for dinner after her shift and wondering if her friends texted her back about their weekend D&D game. There's nothing even semi-sexual going through her mind, so it would be strange indeed for her to randomly have thoughts of impregnation.
[–]sparkyyy13371 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I hate my POS mom who gave me the worst possible diet and I ended up entering HS as a 5'3 95 pound twink. Sure the height thing is mostly genetic but I didn't need to be like that fucking skinny. All the chicks hated me from day one despite the fact I didn't even talk to them.
How do you know they hated you if you didn't have any conversations? Honest question.
[–]sparkyyy13370 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean you always communicate at least a little bit with other kids, I am an extrovert btw. The hate was apparent from the name callings and mockery.
[–]SinglehoodVeteran1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ah, I can understand that. I'm an introvert, but was also mocked and degraded by most of the boys and girls in school. They used to call me "transvestite" and "fakeboy", amongst other stupid names, just because I prefer wearing male clothes. Some people just suck. Sorry you had to put up with that shit.
[–]sparkyyy13371 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was never called ugly or weird in my whole life. I was always called vague names like "asshole, cunt, shithead, dumbass, retard etc." + laughed at close to every day + sometimes racist insults as well (I was the only non-white kid).
[–]Imheretoramble9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the sub we should be promoting as the head of the blackpill ideaology.
So basically, bad eye area + skinny + oldcel = ultimate creep
[–]SmeagleEagle1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
become a monk at that point
[–]TheEqualist20 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So creepy looking guys look creepy is the result of this study?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Its ugly = creepy. It's stating that looks are what makes someone creepy. And more specifically facial features. You're being disingenuous on purpose.
[–]TheEqualist20 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It’s obvious is why I was being disingenuous. Saying your face looking like the orc general from LOTR shouldn’t cause a reaction in another human goes against the evolutionary survival instinct. People fear what looks different. People are afraid of change.
“Ugly” is a subjective term that could be different for everyone. If you’re going to claim the name of science, do it fully.
Objective facts that are able to be reproduced. Use control groups. Get data.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
no ugly can be objectively used on man since women all find the same type of male attractive, which is tall, lean muscular and squareheaded.
[–]TheEqualist20 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That isn’t true. At all.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
alrighty then
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