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"Revictimized women with histories of intimate partner violence (IPV) rated men with larger FWHRs and higher values of actual aggressionto be more attractive than did revictimized women without IPV histories." (Lieberz et al. 2018)

Altmark22
August 2, 2019
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https://doi.org/10.1016/j.psychres.2018.05.061

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Title "Revictimized women with histories of intimate partner violence (IPV) rated men with larger FWHRs and higher values of actual aggressionto be more attractive than did revictimized women without IPV histories." (Lieberz et al. 2018)
Author Altmark22
Upvotes 34
Comments 10
Date August 2, 2019 1:42 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]IdoNtEvEnWaTz16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just commit domestic violence bro

[–]mlcurrycel4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The genetic determinism of it all is scary. These women were lead partly by their genetics to choose men whose facial ratios have a genetic co-relation to committing domestic violence.

[–]Keisuke_Takahiro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its weird to think that some of our underlying processes are just algorithms which have been trained over decades to detect partner fitness.

[–]Altmark22[S] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Conclusion:

Previous studies showed that revictimized women displayed a superior risk recognition and yet they engaged in risky situations, thus potentially increasing their risk for further victimization (Naugle, 1999). The results of our study show that revictimized women indeed have equally good abilities to detect implicit cues of aggression as do non-victimized women. Revictimized women, however, judged all men to be less aggressive. Furthermore, revictimized women with IPV experiences rated men with higher fWHRs and higher values of actual aggression to be more attractive as compared to revictimized women without IPV histories. A reduced judgement of signals of aggression(in all RPs) and a preference for wider-faced men and men with higher values of actual aggression (in RPs with histories of IPV) might increase the risk for further victimization.

Limitations:

The small age range and young age of our stimulus sample might have limited the variability in attractiveness and aggressiveness ratings, as some men presumably had not yet developed their adult levels of facial masculinity. The difference of mean age between stimulus faces and females was 15 years, which could have led the women to view the men as unlikely mating partners, reducing the validity of judgements.

Further:

An additional limitation in our method is the use of a cross-sectional study design. No statements can be made about a causal link and the temporal stability of our results which would require longitudinal studies

It's also important to note that studies into the effects of fWHR (Facial-Width to height ratio) often come to contradictory findings, with some studies showing no significant association between higher fWHR and aggression and T-levels, see below for some examples:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5827542/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656612000062

https://www.emerald.com/insight/content/doi/10.1108/JCP-03-2017-0013/full/html

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.00160/full

However, a meta-analysis from 2015 found a small but positive relationship between fWHR and aggression: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388848/

Further studies have also demonstrated a relationship between higher fWHR and superior social status and greater short-term mating success:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8986/4ab104a36c75ee30d825900d6a31a582c693.pdf

https://ink.library.smu.edu.sg/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2727&context=soss_research

[–]Productivity100 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Anyone able to sum this up having difficulty understanding.

[–]Altmark22[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women that have previously been the victims of childhood sexual abuse i.e. 'revictimized women', are not less aware of potentially risky cues regarding their potential sexual partners than other women, and are actually more alert to such risks. But they apparently engage in risky dating behaviors anyway.

Specifically, they found that women that had been the victim of IPV (interpersonal violence) rated men with broader faces as more physically attractive than women without such histories. They (the women) also found men with actual tendencies towards greater aggression (as measured by their behavior in an economic game), to be more attractive.

So the possible explanations for the findings of the study (if they prove reliable) are either that the victimized women find the potentially aggressive men more stimulating, or they are seeking out formidable and potentially aggressive men to protect them from further male violence (the Bodyguard Hypothesis). Or both.

[–]TotalBasturd1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women who have been victims of domestic violence are better at identifying which men are dangerous, but they are more likely to date those men.

It's like they actively seek out danger.

[–]avoidantcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

getting beat up is worth it if it means you can regularly witness a big, dominant Chad beat other weak, pathetic virgins into learning their place in the hierarchy and reward him for it

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