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In the UK Parliament, discussing Ukraine

September 25, 2022

During a three-hour debate on Ukraine, not a single mention was made on behalf of the men of Ukraine (Russian men did get a brief mention, for being under-trained canon fodder).

Yet Wera Hobhouse, the Liberal Democrat Party Spokesperson for Women and Equalities, did give special mention to Ukrainian women. Bear in mind that Ukraine's armed forces are around 900,000 and the number of women included in that number is about 50,000, only 20% of whom are in roles that could put them on the front line.

Women are casualties of war and conflict, but they are very often overlooked. Women, including those who fight alongside men, suffer in a uniquely gendered way.

Then Hobhouse makes it worse by compounding the idea that it is only women who ever suffer from battlefield sexual violence, which is proven many times to be a complete lie:

...By June, the UN human rights monitoring team had received reports of 124 alleged incidents of sexual violence...

Inadvertently, she highlights that it is men who are having it rough, being forced to stay behind in the country. Of course, that is not her focus when she says:

The majority of people fleeing Ukraine are women and children... Refugees are safest when they have options...

Indeed, the women are safe. Safer than disabled and elderly men, even, let alone the men of similar age whom they have been demanding 'equality' with. But Hobhouse hasn't finished dismissing any care of men when she includes in her wrapping-up this statement:

We should not underestimate the substantial trauma that women and children will have suffered.

Not a peep about men. That's what the world has come to expect of misandrists hiding under the label of "Women and Equalities" ministers.

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[–]Subversive 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pretty standard fare. Also, if you were to challenge her, you’d probably get something about how men are to blame because they started the war.

[–]_name_of_the_user_ 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or the old standard about how men are the default. When have Ukraine men been considered in any of this conflict outside of forums like this one?

[–]reddithatesmen2 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing surprising from the U.K

[–]Talbooth 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women and Equalities minister

Which one? Because that title is a walking oxymoron.

[–]DouglasWallace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wera Hobhouse, the Liberal Democrat Party Spokesperson for Women and Equalities

Wera Hobhouse, Liberal Democrat Party shadow minister for Women and Equalities.

Not an actual minister but one who would be if they got into power. The speech she gave is typical of the Labour Party shadow minister for Women and Equalities, and of past Conservative ministers for Women and Equalities, including the minister who is now the UK's Prime Minister.

As for the title being an oxymoron, I'm not sure. I think it highlights that you can't support women under the banner of simply 'equalities' and you can support equalities when supporting women – you have to specifically do each of these at the same time, even though they are often in contention.

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