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March 29, 2021
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The numbers this user is giving seem to be completely made up: Screenshot

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/intimatepartnerviolence/men-ipvsvandstalking.html

Victimization

Intimate Partner Violence

About 1 in 3 men experienced contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner during their lifetime. Nearly 56% of men who were victims of contact sexual violence, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner first experienced these or other forms of violence by that partner before age 25.

Sexual Violence

  • Nearly 1 in 4 men in the U.S. experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.
  • About 1 in 14 men in the U.S. were made to penetrate someone during their lifetime.
  • More than 1 in 38 men in the U.S. experienced completed or attempted rape victimization in their lifetime.
  • Among male victims of completed or attempted rape, about 71% first experienced such victimization prior to age 25.

Stalking

  • About 1 in 17 men in the U.S. were victims of stalking at some point in their lifetime.
  • Nearly 41% of male victims first experienced stalking before age 25.

Perpetration

Sexual Violence

  • 87% of male victims of (completed or attempted) rape reported only male perpetrators.
  • 79% of male victims of being MTP reported only female perpetrators.
  • 82% of male victims of sexual coercion reported only female perpetrators.
  • 53% of male victims of unwanted sexual contact reported only female perpetrators.
  • 48% of male victims of lifetime non-contact unwanted sexual experiences reported only male perpetrators.

Stalking

  • 46% of male victims reported being stalked by only female perpetrators.
  • 43% of male victims reported being stalked by only male perpetrators.
  • 8% of male victims reported being stalked by both male and female perpetrators.

Intimate partner violence

  • 97% of men who experienced rape, physical violence, or stalking by an intimate partner had only female perpetrators.

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[–]DistrictAccurate 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You should also adress the mentioned stats, which are on the gender of the perpetrators, not on prevalence.

First of all: Rape in this context only talks about passive penetration. Made to penetrate (unlike the passive penetration of rape) only talks about penetrating genitalia (not other body parts or objects) and the rest is thrown into unwanted sexual contact, which therefore becomes an inconclusive stat when compared to women aswell. Comparisons between men and women are basically impossible due to highly discriminatory definitions, yet it is still better than the messy mazes some other institutions call "surveys" and at least (unlike others) they are quite clear in their discriminatory definitions and questions (and the questions are far less prone to misunderstandings than thos of certain other surveys), making it at least possible to somewhat interpret the data on its own. This does not negate the gendered differences in coping by denial, reporting reluctance, denial of sexual components in crimes and so on. It is quite concerning how high the numbers are nonetheless, even if a telephone survey like this might be less effected by the aforementioned conditions, the effects are still there.

Even among those with a documented history of sexual abuse, the percentage of those actually considering it abuse is 4 times higher for women (64%) than for men (16%).

It is interesting that less than one fifth (16%) of the men with documented cases of sexual abuse considered their early experiences to have been sexual abuse, compared with 64% of the sexually abused women (Table 3). https://www.jimhopper.com/pdf/widom1997.pdf

Reddits character limits do not allow me to go more in-depth about this.

Open the dropdown on "sexual violence" to see these definitions: https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/datasources/nisvs/2015NISVSdatabrief.html

The data talked about in the comment is also lifelong data, which makes it even less relevant to current day politics - especially considering how consistently different data from 12 month surveys is (yet it is unclear if this is true for the sex of the perps as well). 12-month prevalences, while fluctuating, show roughly a gender parity in victims of rape and mtp from 2010-2015, yet mtp still excludes a lot of victims. Unfortunately, the sex of the perpetrator was only reported for lifelong prevalence and I guess that the person at hand is talking about the table on page 226 of the report published in 2017 about the surveys from 2010-2012. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/NISVS-StateReportBook.pdf

All of this aside, we only talk about the perpetrator percentages by sex for sexual assault, so let's look at the report for 2010-2012.

As the numbers for some cells were not reported due to unreasonably high standard errors, I calculated the blanked numbers based on the given percentages from the cells with more reasonable standard errors. We know for a fact that assuming the blanked cells to be zero would be wrong, so it's the closest to the truth we get.


Table 1: Rape by passive penetration only (called "rape" by the cdc)

Perp Sex Percentage Number
Male only 91.4 1,395,000
Female only Inconclusive Inconclusive
Mixed(+Female only) 8.6 131,258

Table 2: Made to penetrate genitalia only (called "made to penetrate" by the cdc)

Perp Sex Percentage Number
Male only 18.5 1,336,000
Female only 75.6 5,463,000
Mixed 5.9 426,345

Table 3: Sexual Coercion

Perp Sex Percentage Number
Male only 13.7 892,000
Female only 81.7 5,326,000
Mixed 5.6 365,062

Table 4: Missing rape victims from the other two categories and unwanted sexual contact combined (inconclusive category - called "unwanted sexual contact" by the cdc)

Perp Sex Percentage Number
Male only 38.3 4,610,000
Female only 52.7 6,344,000
Mixed 8.5 1,027,000

Table 5: Non-Contact experiences. These were completely removed for the 2015 Survey and should therefore not be used for further calculations, yet since there are more male perps here, I wanted to mention it.

Perp Sex Percentage Number
Male only 51,1 8,025,000
Female only 33,0 5,180,000
Mixed 15.2 2,392,000

All three added up except for non-contact

Perp Sex Percentage Number
Male only 30.14 8,233,000
Female only 62.72 17,133,000
Mixed 7.14 1,949,665
~ ~ ~
Female perps. combined 69.86% 19,082,665

Therefore, even lifelong data shows women to be the only perpetrators in 63% of cases and part of the perpetrators in another 7%.

This warrants the conclusion that the majority of sexual assault against men is in fact perpetrated by women.

In the end, I seriously don't care. Men are suffering from internalized misandry in massive rates and are probably the single biggest threat overall to my physical health - if we just talk about the person who executes the assault. It is commonly accepted and even "joked" about that men have a vastly different threshold for violence (including all the "pranks" and whatever euphemisms they may use) and protection based on sex of the involved parties and therefore victimize men simply for not being considered an innocent, valuable and vulnerable woman. That's an issue to be addressed for sure.

I am human, I make mistakes. Feel free to help me improve this answer if you are able to do so being friendly, constructive and without resorting to personal attacks, etc.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right! I forgot to quote the perpetrator stats from that CDC page - fixed, thank you.

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