r/feminism: let's moderate the wrong opinions!

FinallyReborn · 2021-04-28T00:49:47+00:00

Let me address your points that lack substance and statistical backing.

Domestic Violence

Here is a bibliography examining 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600.

https://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

More than 200 studies have shown that domestic abuse in relationships is gender symmetrical, with men and women perpetrating DV at approximately equal rates. The most common form of DV is reciprocal violence, and when it is not mutual, female-only and male~only partner violence occur with similar frequency among married couples.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.588.4366&rep=rep1&type=pdf

There are even studies showing that female-on-male violence is MORE common than male-on-female violence.

One study even showed that half (49.7%) of relationships which had violence were reciprocally violent, and that in nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.

https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020

Also, here's the LARGEST set of meta analyses on domestic violence by The Partner Abuse State of Knowledge Project (PASK). Researchers were asked to conduct a formal search for published, peer-reviewed studies through standard, widely-used search programs, and then catalogue and summarize all known research studies relevant to each major topic and its sub-topics. Approximately 12,000 studies were considered and more than 1,700 were summarized and organized into tables.

Here are some of the key findings:

Among large population samples, 57.9% of IPV reported was bi-directional, 42% unidirectional; 13.8% of the unidirectional violence was male to female (MFPV), 28.3% was female to male (FMPV)
Among school and college samples, percentage of bidirectional violence was 51.9%; 16.2% was MFPV and 31.9% was FMPV
Male and female IPV perpetrated from similar motives – primarily to get back at a partner for emotionally hurting them, because of stress or jealousy, to express anger and other feelings that they could not put into words or communicate, and to get their partner’s attention.
Eight studies directly compared men and women in the power/control motive and subjected their findings to statistical analyses. Three reported no significant gender differences and one had mixed findings. One paper found that women were more motivated to perpetrate violence as a result of power/control than were men, and three found that men were more motivated; however, gender differences were weak

https://domesticviolenceresearch.org

So approximately half of domestic violence is reciprocal violence where both partners abuse each other. And in cases of non-reciprocal violence, female violence towards men is just as common, if not more common, as male violence against women. Abusers of both genders reported perpetrating violence for similar reasons.

But guess what? Male victims face discrimination for simply being a victim of DV, women don't. There are systems in place like the Duluth model, which has caused men to be falsely arrested for simply being a victim, because Duluth is the most widely used method of treating DV that always assumed the man to be perpetrator, the creator herself stated that it was created by using feminist approved methods.

The following study found that men who had experienced domestic violence by the hands of a woman, and tried to seek help by calling DV hotlines, and shelters, they were told that they only help women, explicitly state that men are the actual instigators of the violence, or just straight up ridiculed them. The hotlines also frequently redirected the men to batterers programs.

The men who called the police also reported that they failed to respond, or were ridiculed by the police or being incorrectly arrested as the primary aggressor. And within the judicial system, some men who sustained DV reported experiencing gender-stereotyped treatment. Even with apparent corroborating evidence that their female partners were violent and that the help seekers were not, they reportedly lost custody of their children, were blocked from seeing their children, and were falsely accused by their partners of DV and abusing their children.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3175099/

Objectification

And women are objectified, how? Men are objectified for their finances and ability to provide all throughout history.

https://greenpill.net/marriage-as-economic-slavery/

Men are objectified by being treated as disposable within society. And are told from youth women and children first so that any man that refuses to self-sacrifice himself for a woman is instantly shamed. Examples of this is the white feather movement, directly supported by feminists at the time who threw their support for the gynocentric White Feather campaign with the aim of shaming men into enlisting in the war effort when WW1 came around in 1914, with the sole backing of "female approval".

Then men have been 99.999% of American combat deaths and casualties (historically).

http://thewall-usa.com/information.asp http://thewall-usa.com/women.asp http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/other/stats/warcost.htm

So any man who hasn't sacrificed himself by enlisting in war was brutally shamed because he wasn't putting his life and livelihood on the line for women. They were drafted, shamed and pressured into self-sacrificing themselves for women, the state used it's monopoly on violence to throw men into the trenches as well as the social campaigns that came along with it that harassed any young man on the street who wasn't out there risking his life.

But no, men are not "objectified", but you are because men just happen to be attracted to your tits.

Human Trafficking

Men have been 70% of slaves throughout history, male slaves have always been in much higher demand than female slaves.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/182914?seq=1

And this appears to have been true throughout most of history. During WWII, the Nazis had 2 million female slaves and over 10 million male slaves. Many were prisoners of war, which was a common source of slaves throughout history. The Russians enslaved millions of men during WWII, many of whom they didn't even return after the war. And there's evidence of this kind of slavery going all the way back to Ancient Egypt.

In some languages, the word for slave only has a male form of the word, or ultimately derives from the male version of an older word because most slaves were assumed to be men (see The Privileged Sex for a source about this).

So where are these gender ideologues when it comes to the African slave trade, or slavery in general? Why is this not seen as a gendered crime or "oppression of men"? After all, you were oppressed because of your gender. Which is something feminists try to emphasize when it comes to the treatment of women in history.

It also wasn't always men who were responsible for this. Many wealthy women owned slaves, including male slaves. Queen Elizabeth had millions of slaves (African and Indian) working for her across the British empire. She also played an important role in the transatlantic slave trade. Which potentially makes her one of the biggest slavers in all of history. And therefore ticks another box that feminists use to try and gatekeep things like this; it wasn't men oppressing men.

Kuato2012 · 2021-04-27T17:59:14+00:00

Clearly that thread is on the moderators' radar... but the misandrist comments predictably get a free pass.

ImportantResults · 2021-04-27T17:47:15+00:00

“It's OK, thanks for apologising”

Kuato2012 · 2021-08-13T22:47:19+00:00

I decided to remove this because a user's name wasn't redacted, so it was getting reported for targeted harassment. And to be fair, L0u1se ended up getting pinged and dragged into an argument here.

I understand that the purpose of your post is to demonstrate how the r/feminism mods selectively moderate. But the admins are on a nuking spree against male-oriented subs right now, so I don't want to give them any reason to take down r/everydaymisandry. I hope you understand.

Title	r/feminism: let's moderate the wrong opinions!
Author	ImportantResults
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Date	April 27, 2021 5:46 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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