You can't get through to these guys. The pill will have him thinking that you're after his money regardless of what you do or say. When/if you leave him, he'll think that he came out on top. If you get a job, he'll still think the same way. You can't win. This philosophy makes men incredibly jealous and insecure with women. Not only that but they also believe that all women are the same aka AWALT (All Women Are Like That). This means that if he truly believes in redpill philosophy, he will become undateable.
I feel that pain. I was in a situation where I was paying 50-50 unbeknownst to me with someone making 4x the money I was. It wasn't even about the money so much as the unfair burden that ends up putting on a person. I was struggling, he knew it, did nothing when he could have. I felt so betrayed. Glad that's behind me. I hope that young women puts that terrible situation behind her too.
He blew up telling me I’m letting my single friends get to me and that he’s not a simp or a “50/50” type guy.
To hell with him. Selfish, inconsiderate prick. He can fuck his hand. He reads as an utter douche bag. She's better off single.
My friends ex did this to her too. He demanded she pay all the bills, he paid 50% of the rent and some food and that was all and she had to pay for everything else. He made 4x more than her too. She literally had no money left at the end of the month. He would be physically and mentally abusive if she tried to even things out. She let it go on for too long and he kept doing things to increase the bills for her so she got a second job in the end. It was a shit show and he was red pill too, kept going on about how alpha he was.
She is. Our group pooled some money together so she could pay a deposit and 1st months rent on a place of her own. She still hasn't fully got over it but she is out and that's a start. I'm pretty sure keeping them in poverty is part of the control.
Yup! Someone in their teens, 20s, maybe 30s can still piece their life back together. It's a lot more difficult later in life.
"You don't get a rebate at the end of your life for living with an idiot, you just don't. Death doesn't show up at your doorstep and say 'hey man I was gonna take you today but you were with that bitch for like 3 years. Here's a coupon.'"
Urgh, I feel so bad for that poor woman being with that abuser. I hope she gets out and understands that she is not the problem here and that he emphatically is.
After reading that, I just thought her bf was an asshole but didn’t see any definitive signs her bf being red pill. Regardless of his red pill status, he’s a POS whom she should break up with.
It was the terms he was using. Also clearly he was playing mind games with her and making her jump through hoops for him, which is what redpill encourages.
There is some context here that might explain why he is feeling this way, though I'm with her he is being quite unreasonable while attempting to "maintain frame" and doing a lousy job of it.
She mentioned that she was going to grad school, he is probably concerned that she is surrounded by other high value men and doesn't want to end up as the guy who payed her rent only be rewarded with "I like this guy more", and to be fair for good reason as this has happened to ALOT of guys. Her "SMV" is rising and he is doesn't know how to handle it.
She helped him live rent free for the better part of a year, so to not be willing to reciprocate that in anyway is borderline narcissistic. I'm wondering if this guy was recently unplugged and maybe has something to do with his issues with his roommates. I for one can attest to that, I lost a lifetime friend because of the redpill.
Basic pitfalls of cohabitation. He has no incentive to provide for her at all so he can get away with his RP behavior and she can’t do anything about it. He got what he wanted out of her. She should take then hint and move on
That's very much a direct application of RP advices. Gaslighting the girl into thinking she's the problematic one while you are trying to save a buck where you can, including shared usage property.
Plus he uses RP vocabulary and reads his relationship through a transactional lense, but only when he has to pay himself so... Yeah. Lots of red shading over this one.
living off another person is not red pill, this guy is literally a wasteman. Just because he uses words like "beta" does not mean he is red pill. I've heard people saying that long before there were red pill and from people who don't have a clue what it is. The whole point of red pill is taking charge of your life which exactly what this guy is not doing. As I said, this sub is just as dogmatic as TRP just on the other end of the spectrum.
exactly. Once again I don't see where in the red pill gaslighting or being a hypocrite is. They are antithetical to taking charge of your life and being responsible
i'm in agreement with you. This guy is a loser. However I do not see how he is red pilled. The only red pilled thing in there I can find are the words "simp" and "beta" which are widely used outside of the red pill
The gaslighting happens when she is honest about her finances and he says she's in la la land and gives her a "how dare you question me" kind of attitude.
This is pretty straightforward, I'm not sure what other evidence you need.
jesus are you guys delibrately missing the point? I AGREE he is gaslighting her, it is plain to see. But there is nothing red pill about that. Not everything toxic is red pill.
Gaslighting and hypocracy are core tenants of redpill. We don't allow redpillers to define what redpill is to us, we can see it with our own eyes no matter how many times you say "ItS aBoUt taKiNg ChaRge of UR liFE".
Thats what they tell you, the reality is misogyny, blame, abusiveness.
Whether this dude was RP or not, this is a lot of the same shit they pull regularly and defend in their sub.
To be clear --you will be banned for promoting RP in the sub.
[–]NdN12427 points28 points29 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You can't get through to these guys. The pill will have him thinking that you're after his money regardless of what you do or say. When/if you leave him, he'll think that he came out on top. If you get a job, he'll still think the same way. You can't win. This philosophy makes men incredibly jealous and insecure with women. Not only that but they also believe that all women are the same aka AWALT (All Women Are Like That). This means that if he truly believes in redpill philosophy, he will become undateable.
[–]Carloverguy2036 points37 points38 points (1 child) | Copy Link
"Simp" "Beta Male" anyone who ironically uses these words is deeply entrenched in the redpill
[–]Skypier18 points19 points20 points (0 children) | Copy Link
*Unironically
[–]curiousnaomi20 points21 points22 points (8 children) | Copy Link
I feel that pain. I was in a situation where I was paying 50-50 unbeknownst to me with someone making 4x the money I was. It wasn't even about the money so much as the unfair burden that ends up putting on a person. I was struggling, he knew it, did nothing when he could have. I felt so betrayed. Glad that's behind me. I hope that young women puts that terrible situation behind her too.
To hell with him. Selfish, inconsiderate prick. He can fuck his hand. He reads as an utter douche bag. She's better off single.
[–]Fuzzy-Scene8 points9 points10 points (6 children) | Copy Link
My friends ex did this to her too. He demanded she pay all the bills, he paid 50% of the rent and some food and that was all and she had to pay for everything else. He made 4x more than her too. She literally had no money left at the end of the month. He would be physically and mentally abusive if she tried to even things out. She let it go on for too long and he kept doing things to increase the bills for her so she got a second job in the end. It was a shit show and he was red pill too, kept going on about how alpha he was.
I hope you're doing better now.
[–]LauraMcCabeMoon6 points7 points8 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Please please tell me she's out of that situation. Please?
[–]Fuzzy-Scene4 points5 points6 points (4 children) | Copy Link
She is. Our group pooled some money together so she could pay a deposit and 1st months rent on a place of her own. She still hasn't fully got over it but she is out and that's a start. I'm pretty sure keeping them in poverty is part of the control.
[–]zoemondo4 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh absolutely. I've seen this with my own eyes in my life.
[–]Fuzzy-Scene4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
It's sad. It's theft of life imo. Time you never get back and time you spend healing, wasted on someone that never deserved it.
[–]zoemondo3 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yup! Someone in their teens, 20s, maybe 30s can still piece their life back together. It's a lot more difficult later in life.
"You don't get a rebate at the end of your life for living with an idiot, you just don't. Death doesn't show up at your doorstep and say 'hey man I was gonna take you today but you were with that bitch for like 3 years. Here's a coupon.'"
-Christopher Titus
[–]Fuzzy-Scene2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Awesome quote!
[–]LauraMcCabeMoon4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Such a simple, expressive, factual way of saying that. I love it. Gonna adopt this.
[–]thetruthishere_13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She needs to dumps him.
[–]ThrowawayMHDP13 points14 points15 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It is as if this guy just memorized Rollo Tomassi's books
[–]Cosmoglio9 points10 points11 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Hilarious.
[–]Fluorenone1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
More sad than hilarious
[–]anon18804 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
So funny.. a real low IQ idiot
[–]Fuzzy-Scene4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Urgh, I feel so bad for that poor woman being with that abuser. I hope she gets out and understands that she is not the problem here and that he emphatically is.
[–]escapadablur2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
After reading that, I just thought her bf was an asshole but didn’t see any definitive signs her bf being red pill. Regardless of his red pill status, he’s a POS whom she should break up with.
[–]absolutebeginners15 points16 points17 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The terms alone are a giveaway
[–]zoemondo1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It was the terms he was using. Also clearly he was playing mind games with her and making her jump through hoops for him, which is what redpill encourages.
[–]badcreddit6900 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
There is some context here that might explain why he is feeling this way, though I'm with her he is being quite unreasonable while attempting to "maintain frame" and doing a lousy job of it.
She mentioned that she was going to grad school, he is probably concerned that she is surrounded by other high value men and doesn't want to end up as the guy who payed her rent only be rewarded with "I like this guy more", and to be fair for good reason as this has happened to ALOT of guys. Her "SMV" is rising and he is doesn't know how to handle it.
She helped him live rent free for the better part of a year, so to not be willing to reciprocate that in anyway is borderline narcissistic. I'm wondering if this guy was recently unplugged and maybe has something to do with his issues with his roommates. I for one can attest to that, I lost a lifetime friend because of the redpill.
[–]Straight-Science0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Basic pitfalls of cohabitation. He has no incentive to provide for her at all so he can get away with his RP behavior and she can’t do anything about it. He got what he wanted out of her. She should take then hint and move on
[–]zoemondo2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
The incentive should be "just be a decent human being."
[–]Straight-Science-1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s about as meaningless and subjective of a standard as possible
[+]mrelevenoutoften-15 points-14 points-13 points (18 children) | Copy Link
how is this guy red pill? This sub is ironically beginning to remind of the TRP itself
[–]chofferblower21 points22 points23 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's very much a direct application of RP advices. Gaslighting the girl into thinking she's the problematic one while you are trying to save a buck where you can, including shared usage property.
Plus he uses RP vocabulary and reads his relationship through a transactional lense, but only when he has to pay himself so... Yeah. Lots of red shading over this one.
[–]Swordfish17626 points7 points8 points (15 children) | Copy Link
How exactly do you believe it is not Red Pill? This is 100% Red Pill behavior. In the words of your beloved Red Pill sub -- READ THE SIDEBAR.
[–]mrelevenoutoften-3 points-2 points-1 points (14 children) | Copy Link
living off another person is not red pill, this guy is literally a wasteman. Just because he uses words like "beta" does not mean he is red pill. I've heard people saying that long before there were red pill and from people who don't have a clue what it is. The whole point of red pill is taking charge of your life which exactly what this guy is not doing. As I said, this sub is just as dogmatic as TRP just on the other end of the spectrum.
[–]zoemondo3 points4 points5 points (12 children) | Copy Link
People can take charge of their lives without gaslighting others and being a hypocrite.
[–]mrelevenoutoften-3 points-2 points-1 points (11 children) | Copy Link
exactly. Once again I don't see where in the red pill gaslighting or being a hypocrite is. They are antithetical to taking charge of your life and being responsible
[–]zoemondo3 points4 points5 points (6 children) | Copy Link
He's a hypocrite because he lived with her rent free for 9 months and accepts gifts from her, and then claims she's the gold digger.
[–]mrelevenoutoften-1 points0 points1 point (5 children) | Copy Link
i'm in agreement with you. This guy is a loser. However I do not see how he is red pilled. The only red pilled thing in there I can find are the words "simp" and "beta" which are widely used outside of the red pill
[–]zoemondo3 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
No, they're not widely used. I've literally never heard a guy use those terms outside of reddit.
[–]absolutebeginners-2 points-1 points0 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Argue better, you're all over the place
[–]zoemondo0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
That person asked questions and said they were confused. I answered. That's not being all over the place bro.
[–]zoemondo2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
The gaslighting happens when she is honest about her finances and he says she's in la la land and gives her a "how dare you question me" kind of attitude.
This is pretty straightforward, I'm not sure what other evidence you need.
[–]mrelevenoutoften0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
jesus are you guys delibrately missing the point? I AGREE he is gaslighting her, it is plain to see. But there is nothing red pill about that. Not everything toxic is red pill.
[–]zoemondo1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you need the boyfriend to say it plain as day "I believe in redpill" to believe he is redpill? Or can you not just follow the signs?
You said you didn't understand the gaslighting, but now you do? Dude what's your problem?
[–]absolutebeginners-2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Gaslighting and hypocracy are core tenants of redpill. We don't allow redpillers to define what redpill is to us, we can see it with our own eyes no matter how many times you say "ItS aBoUt taKiNg ChaRge of UR liFE".
Thats what they tell you, the reality is misogyny, blame, abusiveness.
Whether this dude was RP or not, this is a lot of the same shit they pull regularly and defend in their sub.
To be clear --you will be banned for promoting RP in the sub.
[–]mimetic_emetic6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
When a guy likes to keep you informed of how beta he is not,
that's amorethat's the red pill.[+]absolutebeginners-10 points-9 points-8 points (3 children) | Copy Link
This seems fake
[–]zoemondo0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Why
[–]absolutebeginners-2 points-1 points0 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Op never addressing questions or comments head on. Dancing around the subject. Making ridiculous excuses.
[–]zoemondo0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She answered plenty of questions and comments. Wtf are you even talking about? If she made ridiculous excuses, it was for her jerk boyfriend.