For the men in this group, what was the turning point in making you leave the redpill? When did you wake up and how long did it take?

Copperstoner · 2021-06-11T06:03:59+00:00

I was never really “red pill” I lurked the sub for 2 months or something, took some of the good generic advice and that was it. I also discovered the 48 laws of power, which I would recommend to anyone. You are more like to see, if someone tries to manipulate you or others.

Now to the big turn offs:

“All men are like that, all women are like that”
“Women’s nature is xyz”
“Men’s nature is xyz”
Fake Alpha stuff
Every women above 25 is worthless
The fanfics they call field report
Downvoting everything which does not fit into the group think
At some point the sub also promoted nofap and the “super powers” gives you
Claiming to be “amoral”, but the majority freaked out, if women do the same
…

I can live with oversimplifications, if they are true often enough to be helpful. The ones TRP used weren’t or at least not for the women I’m interested in. They are very true for very insecure or unstable women and insecure man. I’m just not interested in insecure people, I would rather be with a women who knows what she wants. And while we are at insecure… All the fake alpha posts on /r/trp smell like insecurity and “I need attention”.

The nofap thing was also quite funny. I asked the guy who posted it, if he also stopped with sex forever, because the body doesn’t know the difference. I also asked for sources, because every study I know points into a different direction, but I was just downvoted into the oblivion.

Then the whole “dating is amoral” thing… Yes it is and everyone, who gets what she/he wants wins. You just can’t throw a fit, if you are used then. Especially if you follow TRP, which relies heavily on manipulation.

major-ant- · 2021-06-11T05:55:32+00:00

Discovered red pill after a break up. Compensating, trying to shut myself off emotionally, looking for validation, you get it… wasn’t a die hard red-piller in practice, but I ate that shit up and spent way too much time reading the subreddit.

Eventually I just lost interest in random hookups, “spinning plates” etc. The whole “plates” thing is just about having women around to bang whom you don’t respect/even like. And if you do like them, you’re not allowed to be your own emotional self. You’re supposed to act like you hate them.

I guess I’ve since hit the point where sex on its own doesn’t hold enough value to make me spend time with a person. I’d rather have genuinely good company, genuinely good conversations, a genuinely two-way, emotionally transparent relationship. Whether with a friend or significant other. Red pill doesn’t align with that. Sex is still cool though, but I honestly think red pill is full of guys who’ve had very few partners and are trying to compensate for something.

My 2 cents

joyo82 · 2021-06-11T06:10:50+00:00

I have always been "left leaning liberal guy" trying to be a good person, generally in support of wealthfare, universal healthcare, equal rights, free education etc.I realized that a lot of RedPillers promote some kind of hardcore version of capitalism where they blamed "big goverment" and "feminism" for every problem in society and kind of want to get rid of every kind of regulation. Its like they are saying, if everybody is extremly selfish and only does things for himself, everything will be better.

I was disturbed when I realized that people like RichCooper or CoreyWayne basically saw DT a role-model for the "alpha male". When in fact I saw him as a kind of person I never want to be. RichCooper would even put a biography of DT in the backround of a lot of his videos.In one of his videos CoachRedPill would indirectly support election-fraud-conspiracy-theories. At that moment that was it for me! I unsubscribed from all podcasts, youtube channels etc.Know I feel RP is some self-repeating spiral, where your perception of reality gets altered and brainwashed until you end up as some right-wing QAnon supporter. RP basically lacks critical thinking about its own dogmas.

Carloverguy20 · 2021-06-11T06:47:10+00:00

I always was shaky about RedPill/MGTOW manosphere talk at times, they were too misogyinistic with their talking points and the whole "Men and women can't be friends arguement" i always disagreed with it, even when i followed rp content, because i have tons of good female friends.

Redpill/MGTOW rhetoric only works on immature insecure girls, mature and confident women will call redpillers out on their stuff and would leave them in a heartbeat. Whenever someone criticizes redpill, White Supremacy, trump, or any right wing talking points, it's immediately disliked, but when they criticize democrats, biden, harris, feminism, western women, marriage, it's circlejerked and immediately liked. Redpill comes off as alt-right propaganda at times.

RedPillDetox · 2021-06-11T10:33:08+00:00

There were several:

Approaching over a 1000 women and barely getting laid and realizing everybody thought i was weird and a joke on campus, even my own family. Stopping hamstering about other "blue pills" that "didn't comprehend" what i was doing, but rather admit to myself that had been the victim of internet charlatanism;
Falling in love with a girl that i had approached, and fucking things up with her due to being an "alpha douchebag that holds frame", when all it took was for me to just be normal, while also feeling massively frustrated for having to hide my feelings and my true self wanting intimicy because that was heavily discouraged by TRP;
Finding Mark Manson about mid way of my TRP journey, who back then had amazing anti PUA content in his former blog postmasculine.com;
Realizing that the ocasional girl i was closing every 250 approaches was a dumb, mentally unstable, because that's the kind of bitch TRP brings;

W-Pirate · 2021-06-11T06:56:31+00:00

Like couple weeks ago really. I realized, just because something exists on the internet, doesn't make it 100% true (look at porn vs real sex for instance) and I've felt being brainwashed without even experiencing stuff myself (dating as an average guy), because none of my friends fit the "666" traits, yet they have gfs and children.

Toomuch_noise · 2021-06-11T12:09:55+00:00

The quality of their intellectual talk: it is obvious that they are verbalising their fantasies.

Their statement that all women are alike and that they are all whores: I see daily the counter example of that, I also have a mother and sisters which I respect and want them to be respected.

The idea of the sexual market place which is an economization of human relations.

Their claim of absolute opposition between males and females and that the inherent relationship between the two is that of competition: anthropology and simple logic denies that.

Their claim that the past was better: no it wasn't.

Their hero worship.

Their rationalisation of anything that serves their ideology no matter how extreme it is.

Them viewing the world through the beta alpha opposition.

Their glorification of psychopaths and sociopaths.

Their encouragement of the exploitation of others.

Their all around hatred and toxicity.

And it took me less than a week to say no to it.

Swordfish1762 · 2021-06-11T10:56:19+00:00

I had just come out of a brief "relationship" (I use that word loosely) where I had been used as an option, but told that I was the "one" and how we were in a relationship. In the past I had always been good at spotting these women and did not fall for their garbage, but this time, a former high school classmate found me on Facebook and I had a moment of stupidity -- she "got me." However, I caught on to her BS quickly, a bit longer than three months, and I ended it by walking away with just a bruised ego.

I stumbled into TRP world on YouTube one day soon after the breakup, where I was never really into it, but intrigued and lurked on the channels for a few months. At that time I had also gone online looking for dates for the first time, something I swore I would never do, but I decided to do it. However, it quickly occurred to me that the women I was meeting were good ladies and if had even hinted at that RP nonsense -- every one of them would have laughed at me and walked away. The RP schtick only works on emotional train wrecks, who are EXACTLY the type of women I wanted nothing to do with.

whatboi67 · 2021-06-11T05:50:27+00:00

It was when I began to notice their selfishness and how much they wanted society to be as outdated and sexist as possible like the 1950s or 60s. Also, RP constantly dehumanizes women and that community almost brainwashed me into thinking this behavior was okay.

Then I heard and read about their misogynistic comments. One red pill youtuber, YogiOabs, went as far as to say that victims of rape should be blamed because they dressed "slutty" (I'm not joking, he said that on twitter before getting suspended) That was when I started to question their credibility and them as human beings. Also, I began to look at Breadtube (It's a community that's the complete opposite of RP) and other left-leaning content in different medias like movies or video games.

Also, this sub is one of the things that helped me get out of that rabbit-hole.

JUST_WANTTOBEHAPPY · 2021-06-11T04:43:32+00:00

it didn't take long , when I starting to realize I had this overbearing grudge of resentment towards woman. I start to take my mind off it, avoiding all topic regarding redpill, blackpill whatever pill it was

Then I realized all this redpill preacher aren't so wise themselves. Then I came across study that disprove the alpha beta wolf study, that further tear down the illusion of what this redpill stand for.

I have to confess I'm not entirely off it though, I'm the type of person that is "take what is useful, disregard the unnecessary".

The major redflag I have is redpill never exercise critical thinking, the moment you point up why certain xyz statement is flawed. They begun to calling up names instead of engaging in fruitful discussion , that's when u know you're in a hivemind and it's better to get out

Grimnir_Raider · 2021-06-11T05:38:37+00:00

It did take three years and a half. I kind of saw that there are people of both sexes that have it easier or more difficult, not just women. It just kinda dawned on me that the dating scene is screwed up a lot and it kinda works against you if you don't want to use dating apps or are very shy. I also saw people that were smaller than me (I'm 6.2 feet for reference) uglier than me, fatter than me still get a lot more girls that I ever did (I'm still a virgin) which is still a question I sometimes ask myself. The part of the redpill that I still kinda follow can be chalked up to "common sense" and "self improvement", which is something I talk about a lot with some friends who are still in the redpill but are, fortunately, not mysoginistic. The redpill Is something you take when you are depressed, frustrated or just feel like a social outcast. The more important aspects are forgotten in favor of full blown hatred against everyone. Thing is, it's very hard to come out if you can come out at all, it's not really required to exit the redpill, you can still practice it, just not the misogynistic parts and be a fully functional human I guess.

unshak3n · 2021-06-11T04:34:03+00:00

I did not leave. I use this sub to get information on how it can be harmful in order to form my own opinion. But I still think redpill is true. Except, of course, the misogynistic part of it.

ironmanalex97 · 2021-06-11T17:45:57+00:00

I’m still on that sub, and sometimes I comment on them. Tbh even in the beginning I had a bad taste with it. I think for any type of idea to exist there has to be some semblance of truth. I think that some of the generic stuff is true when it comes to TRP but there’s a lot of women hate, and they still seem to put women on a pedestal but it’s now one with negative connotation. I think another thing that turned me off was how it tries to force people into an idea where you should never have LTR and instead should spin plates, and every woman is untrustworthy. It’s essentially a cynics paradise. Tbh even though I’m in my 20s I’m not into the idea of a casual relationship, and I suppose the things I want would be classified as either beta or blue pilled.

adwaitparab31 · 2021-06-12T06:43:26+00:00

Fell into the “red pill” rabbit hole for a while. I found myself agreeing to some of their ideas, such as :

Men need to get in shape, hit the gym

Men need to develop hobbies, life skills

Men need to invest, hustle and save money

(These things btw are things that everyone should do, regardless of gender)

But things that I didn’t agree to were:

Women need someone who will provide

Women who are educated turn into feminazis

Once the guy cannot provide, women will jump on to another guy

Women will hit the wall once they are 30, while men will come into their prime in their 30’s.

It’s okay for a man to be polygamous but if a woman does it, she should be kicked to the curb.

If a woman doesn’t give you sex, dump her.

And several more.

Point is, men and women both go through their own individual struggles. There are men who compete with other men too and vice versa.

I am thankful that I grew up in a large family which contained several strong women. I was raised to treat everyone the same, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation. That is the reason why most of the red pill talk didn’t fly with me.

WonderingFairy · 2021-06-11T14:32:48+00:00

You guys should check out some posts from RedPillWomen. Some of them are enablers for this crap. So many posts are women getting used by “alpha males” and disrespected by these guys in marriage and at the same time bullying “betas” (I hate this language that’s why the “”). Basically it’s women who eat up Red Pill and end up becoming shallows of a human beings and enablers for abusers and men with an ego problem.

I was banned for literally pointing guy a woman should leave the relationship of her husband who was trapping her financially, cheating on her to humiliate her and using her. It’s basically women objectifying themselves. The biggest turning point there is that most posts are about relationship advice to struggling relationship, which just proves that The Red Pill ideology is not good for a happy long time relationship when both people see each other as a tool for self satisfaction.

knackeredeunuch · 2021-06-11T04:59:53+00:00

I don't have a car.

All the gasoline slogans in the world can't make me buy gas.

I won't ever forget red pill the same way I'll never live down my cringiest moments.

You leave red pill the same way you quit playing last gens console.

I still love a lot of the content producers you just won't see me raving about them.

Global_Database_8159 · 2021-06-11T23:49:48+00:00

I'm not leaving Redpill, it answered some of the questions I had when I started my dating career a decade ago. I find it useful to me. I'm only in this group to hear about the opposite, I like hearing both sides. I been here for more than 6 months but I'm not yet convinced to leave the Redpill philosophy

Moldy_Gecko · 2021-06-12T02:38:32+00:00

I'm fairly certain most people here weren't actually RP other than looking at it for a month and thinking it's bad, rather than embracing it. I followed RP for about 3-4 years. It brought me the confidence to leave my deadbedroom wife and in the 1st year after divorce, slept with a new woman almost every week. I took full advantage of women and honestly, everything that I learned seemed to be true. Eventually, I didn't need RP anymore and stopped being so involved in it.

The change came about when I met a woman that despite my predisposition, I fell in love with. Due to me still being redpilled, I often slept with others while dating her (we were just fuck buddies). The problem is that she was in love with me too and was not sleeping around and found out about mine. Either way, the story is out there somewhere (I rarely delete my posts).

Long story short, I was a dog and it took losing the first person I developed feelings for post atRP. I think TRP is like AA, if you don't keep coming back, it doesn't work. And since I was no longer involved in the TRP, I started looking at what I was doing. And by practicing some of the TRP aspects, I was acting no different than the women I went out with.

I did, eventually, find a woman that's essentially perfect and it's the first time since TRP that I was completely honest. As well, I am not willing to do anything that would jeopardize our relationship even when sex is thrown at me.

Took about 2 years post TRP to stop claiming it as the holy grail. However, I still give it credit for changing my life.

Taohumor · 2021-06-15T22:03:33+00:00

My only interest is objective truth. When red pill degenerated into a pua boys club for low functioning autists it lost any interested I may have had in it as a whole. The red pill was the waking up. But with it came the awareness that even the idea of leaving the matrix can and will be flooded with people who will never think for themselves. Right now red pill memes are cool, it will pass in time like anything else.

Then again it was probably always full of idiots just the allegory was what appealed to me because I never applied it to real life. I put well over 10 years into human psychology, most people are well plugged into a matrix. Red pill is a subset of that matrix that's why it has a cult following and money flowing through it. Its existence is proof that ignorance and slavery are alive and well in the world.

I think the issue is too emotionally charged for most people to have a conversation about it.

TheDrWinston · 2021-06-17T17:06:42+00:00

As red and black pill go hand in hand it took me about 3 months to realize that red pill isn't right. And 5 months to recover from blackpill and return to normie.

Takes support and self therapy.

Title	For the men in this group, what was the turning point in making you leave the redpill? When did you wake up and how long did it take?
Author	Left_Yogurtcloset779
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Date	June 11, 2021 4:13 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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