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For the men in this group, what was the turning point in making you leave the redpill? When did you wake up and how long did it take?

June 11, 2021

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Title For the men in this group, what was the turning point in making you leave the redpill? When did you wake up and how long did it take?
Author Left_Yogurtcloset779
Upvotes 40
Comments 57
Date June 11, 2021 4:13 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit /r/ExRedPill
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/ExRedPill/for-the-men-in-this-group-what-was-the-turning.783329
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[–]Copperstoner 26 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I was never really “red pill” I lurked the sub for 2 months or something, took some of the good generic advice and that was it. I also discovered the 48 laws of power, which I would recommend to anyone. You are more like to see, if someone tries to manipulate you or others.

Now to the big turn offs:

  • “All men are like that, all women are like that”
  • “Women’s nature is xyz”
  • “Men’s nature is xyz”
  • Fake Alpha stuff
  • Every women above 25 is worthless
  • The fanfics they call field report
  • Downvoting everything which does not fit into the group think
  • At some point the sub also promoted nofap and the “super powers” gives you
  • Claiming to be “amoral”, but the majority freaked out, if women do the same

I can live with oversimplifications, if they are true often enough to be helpful. The ones TRP used weren’t or at least not for the women I’m interested in. They are very true for very insecure or unstable women and insecure man. I’m just not interested in insecure people, I would rather be with a women who knows what she wants. And while we are at insecure… All the fake alpha posts on /r/trp smell like insecurity and “I need attention”.

The nofap thing was also quite funny. I asked the guy who posted it, if he also stopped with sex forever, because the body doesn’t know the difference. I also asked for sources, because every study I know points into a different direction, but I was just downvoted into the oblivion.

Then the whole “dating is amoral” thing… Yes it is and everyone, who gets what she/he wants wins. You just can’t throw a fit, if you are used then. Especially if you follow TRP, which relies heavily on manipulation.

[–]MelissaMiranti 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The nofap thing was also quite funny. I asked the guy who posted it, if he also stopped with sex forever, because the body doesn’t know the difference.

Body does actually know the difference, releasing more oxytocin during partnered sexual activity than alone. However that can also include someone else just being there with you and involved, not even touching you. This is not an endorsement of nofap, just pointing out one fun difference.

[–]Copperstoner 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The point of no fap is often described as “keeping testosterone in the body”, which should have the benefit of being more active and not becoming complacent. You always expand some **testosterone once you ejaculate and if anything you become more complacent, if you are with a women. Why would you change something, if you are already with a women? Let alone a women who loves you?

** According to the studies I’ve seen that is tiny amount, which isn’t even relevant for muscle growth or similar things

[–]independentTeamwork 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

7d without ejaculation and you get a spike of around 50% which lasts about a day. This is extremely significant. HOWEVER, after this day the testosterone goes back to normal

[–]MelissaMiranti 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, nofap is pretty dumb, especially since it's demonstrably worse for prostate health.

[–]major-ant- 20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Discovered red pill after a break up. Compensating, trying to shut myself off emotionally, looking for validation, you get it… wasn’t a die hard red-piller in practice, but I ate that shit up and spent way too much time reading the subreddit.

Eventually I just lost interest in random hookups, “spinning plates” etc. The whole “plates” thing is just about having women around to bang whom you don’t respect/even like. And if you do like them, you’re not allowed to be your own emotional self. You’re supposed to act like you hate them.

I guess I’ve since hit the point where sex on its own doesn’t hold enough value to make me spend time with a person. I’d rather have genuinely good company, genuinely good conversations, a genuinely two-way, emotionally transparent relationship. Whether with a friend or significant other. Red pill doesn’t align with that. Sex is still cool though, but I honestly think red pill is full of guys who’ve had very few partners and are trying to compensate for something.

My 2 cents

[–]joyo82 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I have always been "left leaning liberal guy" trying to be a good person, generally in support of wealthfare, universal healthcare, equal rights, free education etc.I realized that a lot of RedPillers promote some kind of hardcore version of capitalism where they blamed "big goverment" and "feminism" for every problem in society and kind of want to get rid of every kind of regulation. Its like they are saying, if everybody is extremly selfish and only does things for himself, everything will be better.

I was disturbed when I realized that people like RichCooper or CoreyWayne basically saw DT a role-model for the "alpha male". When in fact I saw him as a kind of person I never want to be. RichCooper would even put a biography of DT in the backround of a lot of his videos.In one of his videos CoachRedPill would indirectly support election-fraud-conspiracy-theories. At that moment that was it for me! I unsubscribed from all podcasts, youtube channels etc.Know I feel RP is some self-repeating spiral, where your perception of reality gets altered and brainwashed until you end up as some right-wing QAnon supporter. RP basically lacks critical thinking about its own dogmas.

[–]JUST_WANTTOBEHAPPY 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Curious how is CoreyWayne redpill, I like to know

[–]joyo82 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you are right, he is not exactly RedPill like CRP or RichCooper..more in the dating coach spectrum...

[–]fumblingsnail97 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

whos DT?

[–]Carloverguy20 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always was shaky about RedPill/MGTOW manosphere talk at times, they were too misogyinistic with their talking points and the whole "Men and women can't be friends arguement" i always disagreed with it, even when i followed rp content, because i have tons of good female friends.

Redpill/MGTOW rhetoric only works on immature insecure girls, mature and confident women will call redpillers out on their stuff and would leave them in a heartbeat. Whenever someone criticizes redpill, White Supremacy, trump, or any right wing talking points, it's immediately disliked, but when they criticize democrats, biden, harris, feminism, western women, marriage, it's circlejerked and immediately liked. Redpill comes off as alt-right propaganda at times.

[–]RedPillDetox 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There were several:

  • Approaching over a 1000 women and barely getting laid and realizing everybody thought i was weird and a joke on campus, even my own family. Stopping hamstering about other "blue pills" that "didn't comprehend" what i was doing, but rather admit to myself that had been the victim of internet charlatanism;

  • Falling in love with a girl that i had approached, and fucking things up with her due to being an "alpha douchebag that holds frame", when all it took was for me to just be normal, while also feeling massively frustrated for having to hide my feelings and my true self wanting intimicy because that was heavily discouraged by TRP;

  • Finding Mark Manson about mid way of my TRP journey, who back then had amazing anti PUA content in his former blog postmasculine.com;

  • Realizing that the ocasional girl i was closing every 250 approaches was a dumb, mentally unstable, because that's the kind of bitch TRP brings;

[–]W-Pirate 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like couple weeks ago really. I realized, just because something exists on the internet, doesn't make it 100% true (look at porn vs real sex for instance) and I've felt being brainwashed without even experiencing stuff myself (dating as an average guy), because none of my friends fit the "666" traits, yet they have gfs and children.

[–]Toomuch_noise 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The quality of their intellectual talk: it is obvious that they are verbalising their fantasies.

Their statement that all women are alike and that they are all whores: I see daily the counter example of that, I also have a mother and sisters which I respect and want them to be respected.

The idea of the sexual market place which is an economization of human relations.

Their claim of absolute opposition between males and females and that the inherent relationship between the two is that of competition: anthropology and simple logic denies that.

Their claim that the past was better: no it wasn't.

Their hero worship.

Their rationalisation of anything that serves their ideology no matter how extreme it is.

Them viewing the world through the beta alpha opposition.

Their glorification of psychopaths and sociopaths.

Their encouragement of the exploitation of others.

Their all around hatred and toxicity.

And it took me less than a week to say no to it.

[–]Swordfish1762 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I had just come out of a brief "relationship" (I use that word loosely) where I had been used as an option, but told that I was the "one" and how we were in a relationship. In the past I had always been good at spotting these women and did not fall for their garbage, but this time, a former high school classmate found me on Facebook and I had a moment of stupidity -- she "got me." However, I caught on to her BS quickly, a bit longer than three months, and I ended it by walking away with just a bruised ego.

I stumbled into TRP world on YouTube one day soon after the breakup, where I was never really into it, but intrigued and lurked on the channels for a few months. At that time I had also gone online looking for dates for the first time, something I swore I would never do, but I decided to do it. However, it quickly occurred to me that the women I was meeting were good ladies and if had even hinted at that RP nonsense -- every one of them would have laughed at me and walked away. The RP schtick only works on emotional train wrecks, who are EXACTLY the type of women I wanted nothing to do with.

[–]-beneVolence- 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

> The RP schtick only works on emotional train wrecks, who are EXACTLY the type of women I wanted nothing to do with.

Exactly. Insecurity and immaturity will attract insecurity and immaturity. They are so self-UNaware it's almost hilarious. All they value is their money, sex, and body, and then get pissy and scream AWALT when all they attract is a woman who values those exact same things. You (more often than not) attract people who value the same things you do. It's about the type of energy you put out there. If you attract a few crappy people, ok maybe it's not you. If every single woman you attract is shitty, then the issue is you. Same energy towards women who claim all men are trash. What, or who in this case, is the common denominator?

Unfortunately, lots of people don't seem to have that moment of clarity when they realize there's something they need to change about themselves. They just continue to blame men/women. Most people aren't gonna be right for you, platonically or romantically. It's the small minds who then want to blame gender (or any other attribute like race or sexual orientation).

Anyways, happy you're out of that hell hole! Keep doin you and stay healthy.

[–]whatboi67 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was when I began to notice their selfishness and how much they wanted society to be as outdated and sexist as possible like the 1950s or 60s. Also, RP constantly dehumanizes women and that community almost brainwashed me into thinking this behavior was okay.

Then I heard and read about their misogynistic comments. One red pill youtuber, YogiOabs, went as far as to say that victims of rape should be blamed because they dressed "slutty" (I'm not joking, he said that on twitter before getting suspended) That was when I started to question their credibility and them as human beings. Also, I began to look at Breadtube (It's a community that's the complete opposite of RP) and other left-leaning content in different medias like movies or video games.

Also, this sub is one of the things that helped me get out of that rabbit-hole.

[–]JUST_WANTTOBEHAPPY 14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

it didn't take long , when I starting to realize I had this overbearing grudge of resentment towards woman. I start to take my mind off it, avoiding all topic regarding redpill, blackpill whatever pill it was

Then I realized all this redpill preacher aren't so wise themselves. Then I came across study that disprove the alpha beta wolf study, that further tear down the illusion of what this redpill stand for.

I have to confess I'm not entirely off it though, I'm the type of person that is "take what is useful, disregard the unnecessary".

The major redflag I have is redpill never exercise critical thinking, the moment you point up why certain xyz statement is flawed. They begun to calling up names instead of engaging in fruitful discussion , that's when u know you're in a hivemind and it's better to get out

[–]poca_loca 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"take what is useful, disregard the unnecessary".

I was raised in scientology and this is a big thing for them. I think this is a line all these scam beliefs use because they steal actual good ideas and methods and twist them up to make their cause look more legit.

[–]AIisVolatPropriis 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OMG saaaaame! And yes, the relabeling within Red Pill was my first clue in too.

[–]JUST_WANTTOBEHAPPY 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hi, I reread your comment twice yet not sure what you're addressing.

I see nothing wrong with it, for me Redpill thought me importance of maxing up your value, look, money, status. But I don't put it up at my forefront motivation, I draw my motivation from elsewhere.

[–]poca_loca -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Self improvement is not something red pill invented. That's my point. Calling it "maxing" is giving red pill way too much credit. It's just hygiene and taking care of yourself.

[–]Grimnir_Raider 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It did take three years and a half. I kind of saw that there are people of both sexes that have it easier or more difficult, not just women. It just kinda dawned on me that the dating scene is screwed up a lot and it kinda works against you if you don't want to use dating apps or are very shy. I also saw people that were smaller than me (I'm 6.2 feet for reference) uglier than me, fatter than me still get a lot more girls that I ever did (I'm still a virgin) which is still a question I sometimes ask myself. The part of the redpill that I still kinda follow can be chalked up to "common sense" and "self improvement", which is something I talk about a lot with some friends who are still in the redpill but are, fortunately, not mysoginistic. The redpill Is something you take when you are depressed, frustrated or just feel like a social outcast. The more important aspects are forgotten in favor of full blown hatred against everyone. Thing is, it's very hard to come out if you can come out at all, it's not really required to exit the redpill, you can still practice it, just not the misogynistic parts and be a fully functional human I guess.

[–]Left_Yogurtcloset779[S] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Something I think about when ppl say “I still watch” or talk about the “good” is, is that you can get that “good” from anywhere. Fitness is great for everyone one and good for your health, you can get fitness advice from anywhere else. You can learn self improvement from reading books not by redpill or getting a prompt journal. Do you get where I’m coming from? The “good” in redpill can be found on other avenues

[–]Grimnir_Raider 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's why I used quotes for those, it's to say that they are not exclusive to the RP but are, in fact, put there just to make a bad thing slightly less bad. I said that I still kinda follow those parameters only because those parameters don't require of me to align with the ideals of the ill minds. I explained myself badly, I apologize, it was just to say that both self improvement and common sense are things that you can find buried in the mountain of crap that is the redpill, but those two things are the only parameters that are in the general idea of the redpill that I am still willing to follow

[–]Left_Yogurtcloset779[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please don’t apologize! Maybe I just read it wrong and I understand a bit more now

[–]unshak3n 6 points7 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I did not leave. I use this sub to get information on how it can be harmful in order to form my own opinion. But I still think redpill is true. Except, of course, the misogynistic part of it.

[–]zoemondo 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Which part do you think is true? Just curious.

[–]Coolio_Street_Racer 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

General Pyschology of what attracts most women. Not being spineless, be somewhat assertive, take the lead, deciveness, shit tests, hypergamy(Somewhat), not being soft(most of the time).

[–]Yesm3can 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel that RedPill stuffs work for ONS, no string attached, or perhaps FWBs situations, rather than serious LTR ones.

A lot of TRPers like to say "showed her my bluepill/beta side, she losts interest."

What happened is that all of these pretenders eventually break frames. All. No one can act 24/7 for multiple years while trying to build genuine intimacy with someone. Even professional actors do not do 24/7 acting.

These poor women felt (rightfully), that they are being sold a fake product. Too upset to follow return procedure, and then just decided to bin the entire product. Very understandably so. And this is not even gender specific too. Everyone of us hated to be sold a fake product.

But few of the RPers have the realization of that. They usually blamed the 'accidentally acting blue pill/beta'.

[–]MatingAdvice 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What happened is that all of these pretenders eventually break frames. All. No one can act 24/7 for multiple years while trying to build genuine intimacy with someone. Even professional actors do not do 24/7 acting.

That's why LTR or even marriage, are considered redpill in hard mode. You have to be at the peak of your awareness all the time. That doesn't mean that you have to be fake or act. Because if you do you are not redpill, you are just parroting redpill.

[–]Yesm3can 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of men in this world are doing just fine in their LTR or marriage. Most of them never heard about TRP. Many of them do not even own computer.

Something that is so natural for most men...is something that TRPers have to be aware of at all time? Marriage and LTR is a hard mode for these people?

And these are the people who think that they deserved to be captains?

Now it explains why they want a more submissive women. Because they do not have confidence with their leadership. So the people they will lead have to be a 'yes man' or 'yes woman' in the first place.

[–]absolutebeginners -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

None of that is unique to redpill.

Thats like saying you're a nazi because you care about animal welfare. Oh but not that other horrible stuff.

Just ditch the label and stop reading "redpill". You already got the beneficial stuff, which you could have gotten in any number of dating/self help books.

[–]Coolio_Street_Racer 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never really read any self helf books for dating. Kinda just stumble onto TRP. I'm in no rush to label myself redpill.

[–]Omario6 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, i also think it works pretty well

[–]ironmanalex97 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m still on that sub, and sometimes I comment on them. Tbh even in the beginning I had a bad taste with it. I think for any type of idea to exist there has to be some semblance of truth. I think that some of the generic stuff is true when it comes to TRP but there’s a lot of women hate, and they still seem to put women on a pedestal but it’s now one with negative connotation. I think another thing that turned me off was how it tries to force people into an idea where you should never have LTR and instead should spin plates, and every woman is untrustworthy. It’s essentially a cynics paradise. Tbh even though I’m in my 20s I’m not into the idea of a casual relationship, and I suppose the things I want would be classified as either beta or blue pilled.

[–]adwaitparab31 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Fell into the “red pill” rabbit hole for a while. I found myself agreeing to some of their ideas, such as :

Men need to get in shape, hit the gym

Men need to develop hobbies, life skills

Men need to invest, hustle and save money

(These things btw are things that everyone should do, regardless of gender)

But things that I didn’t agree to were:

Women need someone who will provide

Women who are educated turn into feminazis

Once the guy cannot provide, women will jump on to another guy

Women will hit the wall once they are 30, while men will come into their prime in their 30’s.

It’s okay for a man to be polygamous but if a woman does it, she should be kicked to the curb.

If a woman doesn’t give you sex, dump her.

And several more.

Point is, men and women both go through their own individual struggles. There are men who compete with other men too and vice versa.

I am thankful that I grew up in a large family which contained several strong women. I was raised to treat everyone the same, regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation. That is the reason why most of the red pill talk didn’t fly with me.

[–]ibwriting -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Women don’t need a man to provide they got jobs for that now. Though on average women don’t want to go back to a career after they have a child. Though part time in some cases.

Also women control 80-90% of all the wealth in the US. They also spend more than men.

Though that leading with your wallet thing is never talked about there so I don’t get how that’s gospel or you’re making it gospel. Though women look for long term security around 28-30+.

Men who work on them selves start to reach their prime in their 30s most women can’t compete with those guys in work ethic or even in looks. It’s to show guys they can have options in life.

The wall is about a woman understanding that she can’t compete with women younger than her. This is why women shame guys dating younger women ironically women like dating older dudes.

The poly thing men can do it because it’s doesn’t fuck us up. The more partners a woman has the more likely she’ll be depressed and not marry or have a long lasting marriage.

[–]Left_Yogurtcloset779[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

😭😂who told you the more partners a woman has makes them depressed and not marry???

[–]ibwriting -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh you’re a moron

[–]QuincyPartridge_III -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


There are links in the text to the research associated with each claim. In short, promiscuity is not conductive to women's happiness or marital stability.

[–]Lykah 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Promiscuity has been shown to negatively effect both sexes. Also, most men don't get rich in their 30s , they get more stable in their jobs/careers, just like their female counterparts do. No young girl dreams of an old dude who happens to have his finances together, when she has her peers, her own dreams to pursue and men of their own age dating them 🤣🤣🤣 But it has been shown that the balding pattern and ED starts at around 30 along with decreased sperm quality, so mhm sure, 'prime' indeed 🤣

[–]ibwriting -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

yeah bruh you def dont know much.

[–]Lykah 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't take much to know more than an incel 'bruh' like yourself lol

[–]ibwriting -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link


[–]Lykah 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lmao you know someone you can count on your right hand, you sure showed those studies analysing on a population level right 🤣🤣 Also, disugsting how you bring up Japan when they have one of the lowest age consent lawd and a culture that fetishizes pedophilia + almost the lowest birth rates in the world. And even so, when looking at a population level in Japan, most people tend to marry within their age range.

Men will get old, their dicks won't get hard, sperm count will be low, T levels will drop, no hair transplant can beat father time. There's a reason the creepy old man preying on young women is a trope in almost every culture, after all.

If the sperm is old and low quality, it's no good no matter how fertile the woman is, not to mention that studies have shown that old sperm has been linked to health defetcs and fetus malformations. Why do you think sperm banks accept donations from men no older than 35? lol You're truly deluded

Keep living in your autistic fantasy though and write disertation on the internet though, the alphaness just cannot be contained 🤣

[–]ibwriting -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link


[–]Lykah 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Typical pedophilic incel. Your resposne to Japan having a low age of consent and a culture that fetishisez pedophilia is that it's 'based'? Why do you disgusting pedos always make yourselves obvious so quickly?

'Funny thing is my T levels will drop your eggs will dry up quicker than mine.'

Men don't have eggs, dumbass, + mine already nice and frozen to procreate whenever I want

'I actually go outside and apply these things. I also work in the entertainment industry and know many people whom are of high status that think the way you think..'

Suuuuure, you do, buddy, suuure you do 🤣🤣 I bet you're also a pilot, a war veteran and Batman on the side

[–]ibwriting -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


[–]itscashjb 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

From my experience, I think that promiscuity has equal ill effects on both men and women, in terms of the value of each partner: if you only have one, that partner is everything. If you’ve had a hundred, your latest is 1/100, if you see what I mean

I think the only real difference between men and women is that, generally speaking, women will always have it easier to find a quick casual partner. For men, it is objectively always more “work”. Therefore men are more likely in the long run to consider cheating to be not worth the investment, even if they want to. Women, on the other hand, if they get used to using promiscuity as a way to boost their self esteem in the short term, are more likely to have trouble shaking that habit as they get older. Hence the greater infidelity risk

[–]WonderingFairy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys should check out some posts from RedPillWomen. Some of them are enablers for this crap. So many posts are women getting used by “alpha males” and disrespected by these guys in marriage and at the same time bullying “betas” (I hate this language that’s why the “”). Basically it’s women who eat up Red Pill and end up becoming shallows of a human beings and enablers for abusers and men with an ego problem.

I was banned for literally pointing guy a woman should leave the relationship of her husband who was trapping her financially, cheating on her to humiliate her and using her. It’s basically women objectifying themselves. The biggest turning point there is that most posts are about relationship advice to struggling relationship, which just proves that The Red Pill ideology is not good for a happy long time relationship when both people see each other as a tool for self satisfaction.

[–]knackeredeunuch 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have a car.

All the gasoline slogans in the world can't make me buy gas.

I won't ever forget red pill the same way I'll never live down my cringiest moments.

You leave red pill the same way you quit playing last gens console.

I still love a lot of the content producers you just won't see me raving about them.

[–]Global_Database_8159 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not leaving Redpill, it answered some of the questions I had when I started my dating career a decade ago. I find it useful to me. I'm only in this group to hear about the opposite, I like hearing both sides. I been here for more than 6 months but I'm not yet convinced to leave the Redpill philosophy

[–]Moldy_Gecko 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm fairly certain most people here weren't actually RP other than looking at it for a month and thinking it's bad, rather than embracing it. I followed RP for about 3-4 years. It brought me the confidence to leave my deadbedroom wife and in the 1st year after divorce, slept with a new woman almost every week. I took full advantage of women and honestly, everything that I learned seemed to be true. Eventually, I didn't need RP anymore and stopped being so involved in it.

The change came about when I met a woman that despite my predisposition, I fell in love with. Due to me still being redpilled, I often slept with others while dating her (we were just fuck buddies). The problem is that she was in love with me too and was not sleeping around and found out about mine. Either way, the story is out there somewhere (I rarely delete my posts).

Long story short, I was a dog and it took losing the first person I developed feelings for post atRP. I think TRP is like AA, if you don't keep coming back, it doesn't work. And since I was no longer involved in the TRP, I started looking at what I was doing. And by practicing some of the TRP aspects, I was acting no different than the women I went out with.

I did, eventually, find a woman that's essentially perfect and it's the first time since TRP that I was completely honest. As well, I am not willing to do anything that would jeopardize our relationship even when sex is thrown at me.

Took about 2 years post TRP to stop claiming it as the holy grail. However, I still give it credit for changing my life.

[–]Taohumor 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My only interest is objective truth. When red pill degenerated into a pua boys club for low functioning autists it lost any interested I may have had in it as a whole. The red pill was the waking up. But with it came the awareness that even the idea of leaving the matrix can and will be flooded with people who will never think for themselves. Right now red pill memes are cool, it will pass in time like anything else.

Then again it was probably always full of idiots just the allegory was what appealed to me because I never applied it to real life. I put well over 10 years into human psychology, most people are well plugged into a matrix. Red pill is a subset of that matrix that's why it has a cult following and money flowing through it. Its existence is proof that ignorance and slavery are alive and well in the world.

I think the issue is too emotionally charged for most people to have a conversation about it.

[–]TheDrWinston 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As red and black pill go hand in hand it took me about 3 months to realize that red pill isn't right. And 5 months to recover from blackpill and return to normie.

Takes support and self therapy.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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