How is this subreddit going to have any success at all with saving men from the Redpill with all the misandry that's going on here?

ShitFacedSteve · 2022-08-16T00:43:50+00:00

This is how I saw that thread go:

“Is it true that the standards for men are very low?”

“Well, we don’t really mean men have an easy time getting into relationships necessarily, just that they often aren’t good partners and that is considered normal. And anything above that is considered exceptional.”

“Wow how could you say something so hateful toward men?“

“It’s not hateful it’s just true, a lot of men barely even clean themselves”

“WOW so now men are dirty AND don’t care about their partners?”

“Hey man, you were the one who asked why the bar was supposedly so low for men”

You see what I mean? It seems like the post was asking “how do men fall short in relationships?” The post got a lot of explanations on how men often don’t put in much effort, and then a bunch of men got mad at the explanations of how men often fall short.

An analogy would be a woman asking “what common mistakes do women make in relationships?”

And then getting an answer like “women often struggle with direct communication” and then getting a reply that says “wow so women are just stupid and don’t understand communication then?? You’re just being misogynist.”

I kind of agree with you in the sense that discussions of “men don’t do this, men are bad in this way, etc etc” is a discussion that should be had on a societal level. Why do men often not do things that should be considered basic? Why do men often struggle with socialization? These large scale problems aren’t the fault of men necessarily, they are the fault of society failing them.

When it comes to discussions of personal advice on the individual level, I think talking about men on a large scale is more pointless and might make men feel like they’re beyond helping. Or like they’re viewed as dirty animals, like some of the men took it in that thread you linked.

EntertainmentNeat592 · 2022-08-15T22:08:47+00:00

It seems you are confusing calling out red pill men for their red pill beliefs as “misandry.” I never seen anyone where say “men are insufferable” but yes people have said “red pill men are insufferable.” No one say “men don’t wipe their asses” but people did say red pill men don’t look after themselves but expect the women they are with to be perfect.

Empathizing and humanizing misogynist doesn’t work without giving them a reality check for their delusional nonsensical beliefs. Many so call “former” red pill Men are still full blown red pill and constantly spouting nonsense about men and women. Just cause people have decided to call them out for their cognitive dissonance and dishonestly doesn’t mean this sub is spreading misandry.

RatDontPanic · 2022-08-15T22:55:28+00:00

Dude no one is coming to save you, you have to save yourself ! STOP depending on random people from Reddit to save you. These people don’t know you in real life or as a person, so don’t take ‘em seriously when they dumb shit about you. Feminist can’t save you, and none of these internet pills can. You can either find some professional help or you can do some self reflection, write down the goals that you want to achieve and put some physical actions behind those goals so you can achieve them.

honey-bundy-88 · 2022-08-15T23:42:23+00:00

I love how you consider this a rampant problem yet you have only been able to cite one post where this rhetoric was tolerated. And given the context of that post, it still doesn’t prove your point that this sub in general has issues stereotyping all men. If you want to complain about that one post then fine, I hope you feel vindicated. But please get off your high horse and stop pretending like you’re the only one here capable of empathy.

vcreativ · 2022-08-16T11:58:21+00:00

I imagine you're referring to some offshoot from the bar is really low for men?

Yeah, I can understand that topic triggering all kinds of people. But you're generalising across all of us on here, which also isn't justified.

It's not so much that every comment you'll find on here is a pearl of wisdom, it's just that some of the people that frequent this sub and respond may well have some to share.

Never expect all members of any given group to be wise, thoughtful, or even useful in the perspective they decide to share. That's just not how groups and perspectives work, look for the wisdom, ignore the rest. Without reading it I'm sure there are lots of terrible responses on there.

Whoever wrote "men can't wipe themselves" is either stupid, or ignorant enough to not understand its impact in what's basically a heated topic anyways, or some sort of troll. Which again, is a form of stupidity to me.

What that means is, based on how people conduct themselves and what they share you should attribute weight to their judgement. There's no need to take every idiot that learnt how to type on the internet seriously.

All the best.

PutsWomenOnPedestal · 2022-08-15T22:41:57+00:00

male feminist self-hating nonsense

As a man, I admit I am guilty of this. I don't have a great opinion of my gender based on history & the news.

find plenty of people denigrating men in general - right here for instance.

I think you have a point. I was reading a comment about all the things a woman is supposedly entitled to from her partner, and I asked the commenter whether that would be a reasonable expectation for a man to expect from his partner.

TheVillagePriestess · 2022-08-15T22:36:24+00:00

The hard part is there A LOT of Red Pill victims here too, myself included. I still try my hardest to look beyond the extreme pain I was put through by a group of them for years of my life, but sometimes I can't. Sometimes I don't want to, nor does anyone have to. If anything, hearing that raw pain that was caused can be good for you if you read it properly.

These men who hurt people need to say "I hurt someone substantially and I owe it to not only them, but to myself, to also recover, just like they had to." Some of this is to teach. Some of this is to help the ones who can see through the bullshit see and witness the pain. This is designed to change us, to help us grow, but most importantly to not do it again.

Just because you didn't do these things, it does not mean the victim's voice should be silenced. You just say "I haven't done that" and not take it personal because it's not about you. It's their story, their experiences, etc. It's not always about you, but this space is for them (us) too. With that said, I do think that there should be multiple subs and the victims who are still angry need to move away from the sub where men who see it now can recover in peace.

Title	How is this subreddit going to have any success at all with saving men from the Redpill with all the misandry that's going on here?
Author	RatDontPanic
Upvotes	1
Comments	38
Date	August 15, 2022 9:54 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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