There needs to be a body positivity movement for men.

ChaosQueeen · 2020-09-16T16:44:09+00:00

If men want a body positivity movement, why don't they create one?

BMXTKD · 2020-09-16T17:31:54+00:00

I'll go even one further. Most body positive movements isn't really that positive. It's based on a lot of bad science and faulty thinking, as well as crab in the bucket type thinking towards those who want to actually improve themselves.

What they really needs to be is better access to nutrition for low income people, as well as a divestment in car culture in the western world.

jeannedargh · 2020-09-16T18:23:05+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree. We need a cultural shift towards kindness. There are simple things we can start doing today: Let’s stop bashing politicians/celebrities we don’t like for their unpopular physical traits (pot belly, whispy hair etc.). Let’s use more relevant shortcomings (lack of achievement, statements, policies etc.) instead. There are plenty of perfectly good men who share physical characteristics with the people we’re talking shit about and there’s absolutely no reason to hurt them.

Fluorenone · 2020-09-16T19:14:40+00:00

I disagree with this post for many reasons

2020-09-16T01:25:21+00:00

I don't like those kind of posts. Guys who got out of the redpill have already been through a lot, and you're not helping by implying they're still insecure despite all the progress they've made, give them a break.

FixinThePlanet · 2020-09-16T15:07:21+00:00

#3 is probably the most important point I have to make today.

I'm absolutely with you on this. I see the top comment is upset that guys have to work harder (even if it's to support each other) which is sadly par for the course with men's spaces online, but I hope someone hears you.

JimBeamAndCoke2016 · 2020-09-16T02:44:02+00:00

It will never happen.

2020-09-16T04:07:18+00:00

I can kind of agree with this. Many guys who are short get judged because of their height and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. Other guys are Asian or Indian and have a tougher time finding someone in the west. Some guys think that they can only be attractive of they are ripped and have six packs but this body type is actually unnatural. I don't think that being overweight or obese should be considered a find thing though because this is a health issue.

STEM-Celibate · 2020-09-16T07:22:02+00:00

Most straight men with body image problems do not suffer because they can't wear pink clothes, they suffer because of constant rejection, coincidentally the largest male community dedicated to body image issues is the incel community. Homophobia is a problem but it's a different and more specific one, do not conflate it with body image and low self-esteem.

Men do not need a body positivity movement because it's not society or other nebolous entitities that enforce unrealistic beauty standard on on them, it's women and we can't just ignore or change women. We cannot blame women, it's in their biology to be more selective.

Just read these threads to get a general idea:

r/askwomen: What percentage of guys look cute to you? Average response is 1-2%. .

r/askmen: What percentage of random women as you go about your day are you immediately physically attracted to? Estimate ranges between 90% and 20%.

r/askwomen: "Do you think sexually about your male friends?* Average response is "very rarely".

r/askmen: *Men of Reddit: what percentage of the women you know do you want to have sex with?" Estimates range between 90% and 60%.

NiceSetupYeahNice · 2020-09-16T18:58:38+00:00

It seems all the guys on redpill are exactly what they arrive not to be, a simp. I always overly concerned about what people think, always focused on a girl and trying to act like they're not which is how they talk about girls and how they act. Weird shit over there

Circuit_Strike · 2020-09-16T19:25:45+00:00

Just to reinforce what the OP said and add to it:

Women have different specific personal standards for attractiveness of men. I understand that may be difficult for many men to accept because it means that no matter what you do: the woman he might be into may never be attracted to him. One dating tip for men who are not feeling confident in how they look: find flattering clothes that make you feel confident and take pictures for online dating sites using them. Personality goes a long way with women too. For example I can completely lose attraction towards a very attractive man if his personality is a turn off and vice versa be attracted to a man that's not my usual type if he has a great personality.
Many studies have shown that married couples are most likely to be the same level of attractiveness. Actually studies have also shown that people are on average more attracted to people who look similar to them (think the couples that look almost like brother and sister - which wouldn't be my thing personally but some people are into that).
Personality is really more important. When you click with someone and they are just acceptable looking enough then that's all you need.

Ltrfsn · 2021-01-17T15:14:28+00:00

We're too busy hating ourselves to be positive about our disgusting deformed mistake-by-God bodies, lol

ThrowawayMHDP · 2020-09-16T04:13:56+00:00

Basically you just want to change thousands of years for how society sees men and women. I agree that we all should do what we want but we do not control society and the body positivity movement for women is just a subgroup in mostly western countries. I have seen men and women equally weight shame women for looks and everything else. It is only when a celebrity is weight shamed they make a big issue out of it in the media other than that it is not really mainstream.
Regarding point 3 I think as men we are raised to have a thick skin and not get affected by insults or name calling. A good example is you may see two guy friends calling each other "you're a f*g" and "f*ggot" and both of them do not mean it and laugh it off.

TurnPunchKick · 2020-09-16T02:12:54+00:00

It was the Dad bod thing and it didn't catch on.

And this fight was kind started in the 90s 00s when Arnold and Stallone got replaced by Keanu Reeves and Bruce Willis as action heroes. I mean you still had to be fit but not Friggin Arnold.

Anyways everyone here learn to play guitar so we can still get a gf.

MoroseAlsoLugubrious · 2020-09-16T05:47:08+00:00

I know plenty of average or ugly women who are dating/married to men that are on the same level of attractiveness as they are.

I don't know if this is the affirmation you think it is. It leaves the question of whether these relationships are common, whether the women are faithful, whether the woman truly loves her partner and doesn't act out on feelings of "settling" etc. That and I don't know if the mere possibility of being with the only girl roughly as attractive as you (or a little lesser) that will have you is really that comforting.

And I never assumed the twinks were suffering for positive affirmation tbh. Even if they got severely negative feedback at one point there are entire social movements reaching out to and welcoming them. There certainly seems more a place in our pop culture for pretty boys with dyed hair than sad looking guys with dad-bods.

I'm more concerned about the masses of not particularly feminine, but not masculine enough men who fill up office cubicles and grocery aisles, are mostly concerned about not coming off as creepy or threatening, and don't have enough of a physical or social draw to make up for their depression or their aging poorly or their minor injuries or flaws. There's nothing to accept or rebuke, they just exist, and they never get any compliments to feel insecure about. Whether they want it or not red-pill methods of thinking to get what you want seem like the only pragmatic solutions to their problems.

Legitimate-Return-14 · 2020-09-15T21:19:06+00:00

If you need a male body positive movement to make you feel comfortable dying your hair or wearing pink then you are pathetic and weak and deserve to get made fun of.

Title	There needs to be a body positivity movement for men.
Author	zoemondo
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Date	September 15, 2020 8:31 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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