What is with red pill saying that all western women are trash? Why do they say that they would rather get a European woman instead of western women?

difficultconcept · 2021-11-26T22:32:09+00:00

There is absolutely nothing wrong with dating Eastern European women IF you live and work in their countries and learn the language.

But suppose you're a creepy dude like Roosh V, who makes a living selling his rape fantasy guides on Amazon, doing visa runs every 90 days, and doesn't bother learning the language. In that case, you will never be able to start a relationship with a woman who has any self-respect. Roosh V rarely talks about 95% of women who rejected him and only focuses on 5% who didn't.

From my experience, every society has all sorts of people, and there isn't any particular place with large quantities of "high value" men or women. If you aren't a shitty person, there is an equal opportunity to meet people who aren't shitty in every country. Moving abroad doesn't solve problems that you had back home.

Copperstoner · 2021-11-27T00:27:04+00:00

Do you mean easter European? Because half of Europe is definitely western

UggggghhhhPfff · 2021-11-26T22:10:48+00:00

Based on the shitty stereotype that European women, especially from poorer countries, will be more submissive.

The idea is that western women have been more exposed to feminism and women's liberation and so they are less likely to play a traditional role in their relationships.

Super creepy stuff.

xvszero · 2021-11-26T23:02:47+00:00

Because they are mostly conservatives who see the West as being way too liberal for them. They imagine conservative women to be more submissive and willing to just let the guy do whatever he wants while taking care of him and his children.

Banoonu · 2021-11-27T12:06:09+00:00

This is a “funny” situation for me because I’m a South Asian man—-and it was hardly unheard of to hear this in South Asian circles as well. Western south Asian women are “progressive, modern, arrogant, spoiled, entitled”, etc—-they will do horrible, obnoxious things, like assert their individuality, attempt to forge their own paths, etc. Hence, good for you if you have sex with them, but not marriageable—-you want a proper, traditional, submissive girl from the subcontinent, one who’ll listen and do the housework and be a proper wife.

“Funny” for me because for a long time before “red pill” took off my perception was that this was recognized as a reactionary phenomenon associated mostly with communities of color or immigrant groups more broadly—-it’s “interesting” that redpill, which started out centered around American white men, basically had to reinvent the entire thing for themselves. It’s all nonsense, of course—-if you actually bring up actual women in Europe or South Asia, they’ll start making divisions between them as who’s “too westernized” etc in order to arrive at their own stereotypical ideal. It’s all just a mask for the misogynistic impulse. Conversely, if they can find a Western woman who’ll take the role, they’d be thrilled. They just like the ability to critique “feminism for ruining women” as an aberration and faux-sociological intellectual posturing.

bellachic_ · 2021-11-26T22:57:22+00:00

From what I’ve observed, they seem to think that these women are gonna have lower standards, put up with more shit and not hold them accountable. They have ideas of them being submissive because they may come from cultures with traditional elements. Some of them also seem to enjoy the power imbalance that a language barrier creates.

Carloverguy20 · 2021-11-27T00:59:48+00:00

Women in the western world(USA, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy) have more rights and can choose the things and life they want. Women from more traditional society, such as Latin America, Africa, Eastern Europe, Middle East and Asia, women are forced to conform to gender norms and come from rougher conditions. They have this belief that Feminism has ruined western society, and it's a form of misogyny with it.

It's also a problematic stereotype too, and women won't put up with their nonsense.

Fufi44 · 2021-11-27T14:38:58+00:00

Because certain ethnicities of women are considered to be better doormats. That’s it. That’s the beginning and end of it.

ThePopularCrowd · 2021-11-27T06:01:00+00:00

Uh, European women, if they are from Western or Northern Europe, are western.

bee_ghoul · 2021-11-27T16:32:07+00:00

Since when are Europeans not westerns? Wtf, Europeans are classified as westerners too.

r/shitamericanssay

Necessary-Pin-2709 · 2021-11-27T18:44:18+00:00

They say it because they believe eastern women are better doormats, as someone already said in the tread. As a Ukrainian woman, I find it disgusting, that my fellow sisters are being viewed through this lense, and hope they work on their self-esteem and self-respect, and set their standards high these days. I also find it that while many men are displeased with modern women, especially the western ones, few of them do things to become better partner themselves and beat their competition

Necessary-Pin-2709 · 2021-11-27T18:49:22+00:00

One thing that red pill doesn’t take into account is that eastern women, particularly Slavs, are pretty materialistic when it comes to choosing their partner, and a lot of guys/men don’t like it 🤷‍♀️ there’s a lot of values mismatch in dating these days

Coollogin · 2021-11-27T14:55:38+00:00

But European women are western women? This question makes no sense.

Brilliant_Usual_743 · 2021-11-28T21:26:24+00:00

👋Eastern European woman here. It's all about control - we haven't fully found our voice yet and are more willing to swallow your shitty behaviour, lack of responsibility, misoginy etc. because society teaches us that men are supposed to be taken care of at the expense of women (happy husband-> happy life, which from what I see around creates tremendous resentment, depression, anxiety in women, feeling like walking on egshells because we are being seen as subhuman by our own men). It's about the lack of challenge. They want to dominate because they couldn't deal with a woman who's actually assertive and wouldn't put up with his bullcrap. Long story short, we dismiss our needs to satisfy yours. Give-give instead of give-take which is unfair. We become faceless, souless. And our men never grow because genuine, constructive feedback hurts their masculinity. (Assertive) women from western societies don't tolerate outright immaturity. We (as a whole) are more inclined to.

imtranscending · 2021-11-27T21:10:39+00:00

The red doesn't preach that all western women are trash. Whoever or wherever you heard that from doesn't represent TRP or it's ideology. No doubt a few crazies inhabit TRP just as how there are crazies in the Black Pill, Blue Pill, White Pill, No pill Pill, Conservatism, Liberalism, Feminism, etc. You get the just.

Title	What is with red pill saying that all western women are trash? Why do they say that they would rather get a European woman instead of western women?
Author	electronicfusionz
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Date	November 26, 2021 10:07 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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