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What is with red pill saying that all western women are trash? Why do they say that they would rather get a European woman instead of western women?

November 26, 2021
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Title What is with red pill saying that all western women are trash? Why do they say that they would rather get a European woman instead of western women?
Author electronicfusionz
Upvotes 27
Comments 40
Date November 26, 2021 10:07 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]difficultconcept 27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is absolutely nothing wrong with dating Eastern European women IF you live and work in their countries and learn the language.

But suppose you're a creepy dude like Roosh V, who makes a living selling his rape fantasy guides on Amazon, doing visa runs every 90 days, and doesn't bother learning the language. In that case, you will never be able to start a relationship with a woman who has any self-respect. Roosh V rarely talks about 95% of women who rejected him and only focuses on 5% who didn't.

From my experience, every society has all sorts of people, and there isn't any particular place with large quantities of "high value" men or women. If you aren't a shitty person, there is an equal opportunity to meet people who aren't shitty in every country. Moving abroad doesn't solve problems that you had back home.

[–]Armadillo_Rock 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I watched a Ukranian show that he appeared on (the show was in Russian, my native language). A bunch of women came forward and said that he basically stole their Facebook profile pics and put it in his book about Ukraine, claiming to have slept with them, when they had never met or talked to him in their entire lives.

The women could all be lying. (They could have all slept with him and are now embarrassed about it, so covering it up.) But I honestly think they might be telling the truth, and that Roosh never sleeps with anyone at all.

He came out looking downright retarded on that show.

[–]heytheredelilah91 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Occam's razor. It's more likely that he lied.

[–]Copperstoner 19 points20 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you mean easter European? Because half of Europe is definitely western

[–]Practical-Fee5587 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure eastern europe is also considered western.

[–]Copperstoner 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

It really depends on the reference. From a European view Poland, Czech and Slovakia would not really count as western. Especially not Poland as there is a big cultural shift.

There is a reason why most young people with a good education want to leave the country.

[–]bee_ghoul 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but anyone from eastern countries (India, China etc) would consider Eastern European’s to be westerners.

[–]daria1994 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do you come from a former slave-owning colonist country? Are you a little ashamed of your shitty ancestry? :)

[–]Copperstoner 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

1) No my country did never own slaves. Maybe, if you go back to 1000-1500 and you count Vasalls and farmers as slave. After all they had to work for their king. As Kings and dynasties changed a lot during that time and my country was not unified at this point I would not even count that.

2) Interesting question, but no. Even, if my country had many colonies I would not be ashamed. I was not born at that time and if I was I would have most likely been worked to death from my own countrymen. Or sent to wars in which I would have nothing to gain except death.

To be honest the notion of being ashamed for things my ancestors might have done is as dumb as being proud of what they might have done. You can’t choose in which family or country you were born in. Nothing to be proud and nothing to be ashamed of.

Edit: The reversal to your question would be equally dumb: "Are you from a country, which was enslaved? Are you ashamed that your country was overtaken, because they were bad at waging war? Are you ashamed of your shitty ancestry?"

The past is the past and either way there is no way you could have any influence over it, because you were not born back then.

[–]daria1994 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Young people with good education only leave Eastern Europe because of how poor it is, since all of our money has been ‘relocated’ to you during both wars. And our women don’t see ‘western men’ as the prize. Lmao.

[–]Copperstoner 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Young people with good education only leave Eastern Europe because of how poor it is, since all of our money has been ‘relocated’ to you during both wars.

I spent some time with a polish girl and her friends and in her case it was the regressive policies of Poland. Making abortion illegal, general misogynie aka "the women needs to stay at home" yada yada. (So the same views, which are currently hold by the far right in my country.) At least that's what she told me, which seemed genuine. The polish guys working in my company had similar reasons, but they indeed follow the money. I asked them, if they want to go back to Poland, but they were quite ashamed of Poland so even they don't like the regressive politics.

After the second world war my country was pillaged, which happend mainly by the Soviets and the Americans, but I'm not blaming them. After all the 3rd Reich waged war against the whole world. The main reason why my country is now comparatively rich was the marshal plan, the cold war and the fall of the Soviet Union. Even the marshal plan was to prevent communism from gaining traction and prevent another war.

And our women don’t see ‘western men’ as the prize. Lmao.

I have never said this. lmao But hey, we can agree on this! If anything the women who see "western men" as the price are prolly caring more about the money from "western men".

Edit: What's actually the point you want to make? First you are like: "Has your country ever owned slaves? Are you proud of your shitty ancestory?"

After the answer, which was most likely not what you expected: "Young people are only leaving Eastern Europe, because your country took all of our money!"

I mean okay even, if you want to ignore the cold war, the marshal plan and general history I can't really be blamed for things I did not have any influence it. Even if you don't disregard general history and you want to blame for the situtaitont you are still left with the fact that a part of Easter Europe fought along the Germans.

The Soviet Union and Romania is a example for this, both changed sides later. The Soviet Union, because they were attacked by the third Reich and Romania due to more complicating reasons.

So you are left with two points:

Young people with good education only leave Eastern Europe because of how poor.

...which can be discussed and I might be wrong here as this is for sure also a reason.

Our women don’t see ‘western men’ as the prize. Lmao.

...which is a thing I've never claimed.

[–]UggggghhhhPfff 48 points49 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Based on the shitty stereotype that European women, especially from poorer countries, will be more submissive.

The idea is that western women have been more exposed to feminism and women's liberation and so they are less likely to play a traditional role in their relationships.

Super creepy stuff.

[–]N3ptuneflyer 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The reality is this is true, but only because of the huge wealth gap. If you earned 10x more than the average woman in the US they would also be submissive and cook you dinner lol.

[–]lunonee 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not necessarily true. Look at Will Smith.

[–]GiveMeAFunnyUsername 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or maybe the idea is to not have to be in a relationship where you're expected to be a traditional man, but you cannot want your SO to fit a traditional role.

Not really creepy when you think about it like that.

[–]UggggghhhhPfff 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure I follow. Could you expand a bit?

[–]xvszero 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because they are mostly conservatives who see the West as being way too liberal for them. They imagine conservative women to be more submissive and willing to just let the guy do whatever he wants while taking care of him and his children.

[–]Banoonu 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a “funny” situation for me because I’m a South Asian man—-and it was hardly unheard of to hear this in South Asian circles as well. Western south Asian women are “progressive, modern, arrogant, spoiled, entitled”, etc—-they will do horrible, obnoxious things, like assert their individuality, attempt to forge their own paths, etc. Hence, good for you if you have sex with them, but not marriageable—-you want a proper, traditional, submissive girl from the subcontinent, one who’ll listen and do the housework and be a proper wife.

“Funny” for me because for a long time before “red pill” took off my perception was that this was recognized as a reactionary phenomenon associated mostly with communities of color or immigrant groups more broadly—-it’s “interesting” that redpill, which started out centered around American white men, basically had to reinvent the entire thing for themselves. It’s all nonsense, of course—-if you actually bring up actual women in Europe or South Asia, they’ll start making divisions between them as who’s “too westernized” etc in order to arrive at their own stereotypical ideal. It’s all just a mask for the misogynistic impulse. Conversely, if they can find a Western woman who’ll take the role, they’d be thrilled. They just like the ability to critique “feminism for ruining women” as an aberration and faux-sociological intellectual posturing.

[–]bellachic_ 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From what I’ve observed, they seem to think that these women are gonna have lower standards, put up with more shit and not hold them accountable. They have ideas of them being submissive because they may come from cultures with traditional elements. Some of them also seem to enjoy the power imbalance that a language barrier creates.

[–]Carloverguy20 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women in the western world(USA, Canada, UK, Germany, France, Scandinavia, Netherlands, Belgium, Italy) have more rights and can choose the things and life they want. Women from more traditional society, such as Latin America, Africa, Eastern Europe, Middle East and Asia, women are forced to conform to gender norms and come from rougher conditions. They have this belief that Feminism has ruined western society, and it's a form of misogyny with it.

It's also a problematic stereotype too, and women won't put up with their nonsense.

[–]Fufi44 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because certain ethnicities of women are considered to be better doormats. That’s it. That’s the beginning and end of it.

[–]ThePopularCrowd 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, European women, if they are from Western or Northern Europe, are western.

[–]bee_ghoul 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since when are Europeans not westerns? Wtf, Europeans are classified as westerners too.

r/shitamericanssay

[–]Necessary-Pin-2709 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They say it because they believe eastern women are better doormats, as someone already said in the tread. As a Ukrainian woman, I find it disgusting, that my fellow sisters are being viewed through this lense, and hope they work on their self-esteem and self-respect, and set their standards high these days. I also find it that while many men are displeased with modern women, especially the western ones, few of them do things to become better partner themselves and beat their competition

[–]Necessary-Pin-2709 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One thing that red pill doesn’t take into account is that eastern women, particularly Slavs, are pretty materialistic when it comes to choosing their partner, and a lot of guys/men don’t like it 🤷‍♀️ there’s a lot of values mismatch in dating these days

[–]Highland60 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

For Example-Melania Trump.

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[–]Coollogin[🍰] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

But European women are western women? This question makes no sense.

[–]Highland60 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Western Europe Germany France Belgium and so forth. Eastern Europe What we're once considered Warsaw Pact countries. That's how I consider the distinction

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[–]Coollogin[🍰] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

So why do the Eastern European women qualify as European, but the Western European women do not?

[–]Highland60 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Dealing with broad strokes here I guess. Anything else is just conjecture

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[–]Coollogin[🍰] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But the “broad strokes” make absolutely no sense.

[–]Highland60 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Welcome to the internet where lots of things don't make sense. Wanting a " European" woman means wanting a woman from a number of countries. Stereotyping to save time-You want a redhead from England or Ireland? A blonde from the Nordic countries? A awesome cook from Italy or France? Look I know any woman from any country can be more than their looks or kitchen talents. But to say you want a European woman? Might as well just say you want a woman

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[–]Brilliant_Usual_743 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

👋Eastern European woman here. It's all about control - we haven't fully found our voice yet and are more willing to swallow your shitty behaviour, lack of responsibility, misoginy etc. because society teaches us that men are supposed to be taken care of at the expense of women (happy husband-> happy life, which from what I see around creates tremendous resentment, depression, anxiety in women, feeling like walking on egshells because we are being seen as subhuman by our own men). It's about the lack of challenge. They want to dominate because they couldn't deal with a woman who's actually assertive and wouldn't put up with his bullcrap. Long story short, we dismiss our needs to satisfy yours. Give-give instead of give-take which is unfair. We become faceless, souless. And our men never grow because genuine, constructive feedback hurts their masculinity. (Assertive) women from western societies don't tolerate outright immaturity. We (as a whole) are more inclined to.

[–]imtranscending -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The red doesn't preach that all western women are trash. Whoever or wherever you heard that from doesn't represent TRP or it's ideology. No doubt a few crazies inhabit TRP just as how there are crazies in the Black Pill, Blue Pill, White Pill, No pill Pill, Conservatism, Liberalism, Feminism, etc. You get the just.

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