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Boomers Mad Millennial & Gen Z Women Aren't pushing out enough babies for them to leech off of to their graves. Maybe if they didn't spend the last 40 years demonizing mothers, providing absolutely no support, and raising garbage sons, we'd think about it.

March 3, 2021
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Title Boomers Mad Millennial & Gen Z Women Aren't pushing out enough babies for them to leech off of to their graves. Maybe if they didn't spend the last 40 years demonizing mothers, providing absolutely no support, and raising garbage sons, we'd think about it.
Author TheOGJammies
Upvotes 3467
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Date March 3, 2021 2:18 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]randowordgeneratorFDS Newbie 234 points235 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

These motherfuckers can't have it both ways. Little workers need to be fed and educated. Oh, don't really give a shit about women and families and pocket your charter school cash? Fuck outta heah

[–]Tatterhood78FDS Newbie 117 points118 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can't remember exactly where I read this (because it was a few years ago), but there was an article about how the U.S only instituted a school lunch program because kids right out of high school were too physically weak and uneducated to make good soldiers/ support workers for the military (first) and large corporations (second).

Instead of expanding that idea to other areas of life, they went after the parents to make the sacrifices instead by making cut after cut to other social programs to make up for the expense. And by parents I mean the mothers, because they knew that if it came to feeding themselves or feeding the kids, they could be counted on more than the fathers to choose to feed the kids.

I'm convinced that the only reason that minimum wage has been suppressed as much as it has is more spite about feminism than anything else. It's the best way to continue the oppression indirectly, because we now live in a world where it's illegal (on paper more than in practice) to do it overtly.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 48 points49 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Weird, because epigenetic damage can be mitigated by good nutrition for mothers. The damage is carried by the men. once again, men do this to themselves.

[–]PollyAnnaSunshineFDS Newbie 653 points654 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Well, I always wanted a family with a nice guy who could support us while I'm pregnant and after the birth, a flexible work environment that will allow me to excel at work while still being able to parent my child(ren), and most importantly my husband must be a loving, caring, devoted, and faithful husband who is a patient and loving father with valuable life experience to pass on to our kids.

I've finally gotten the flexible work thing figured out, but Jared and Kyle in my DMs are addicted to porn, underemployed, and disrespectful sending me texts about "wanna come watch a movie?" or "wanna fuck?" So yeah, rather than tie myself for life to one of these losers, I'll hold out for a HVM to come along soon enough before the biokids window closes forever, or I'll visit a sperm bank, or I'll adopt, or be happily childfree. Some 60 year old wanker's opinion about how many kids I need to have to support his Social Security and Medicare entitlements is of no matter to me.

[–]PahapanFDS Disciple 111 points112 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some 60 year old wanker's opinion about how many kids I need to have to support his Social Security and Medicare entitlements is of no matter to me.

lmao, exactly. And maybe if these dinosaurs had practiced the fiscal responsibility they all love to wax poetic about and saved up for retirement instead of churning out kids to psychologically scar who they probably couldn't really afford anyway, they'd be in a better spot. They love to punish women with their forced-birth bullshit. Well, Edgar, maybe you should have kept your penis tucked away in your pants and opened a savings account instead.

[–]PollyAnnaSunshineFDS Newbie 72 points73 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, interesting how they want to means test for everything and propose drug testing for welfare, and cut aid to the hungry and pre-k for kids in poverty. Yet they “deserve” thousands per month in government benefits.

Having worked in the banking world for some time, I can say there are plenty of people with net worths of millions collecting social security. Maybe it should be a need based program like typical Boomers want all the other ones to be.

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since I recently decided that becoming a single mother by choice is my Plan A I have never felt more free!!!!!! I can start my family when I want, there are zero other variables!

Now I can 100% focus on building a career that will support the lifestyle I want for my kid(s) instead of splitting my energy/time between dating and career.

Goodbye oppressive relationships with men!!! Thank you FDS!!!

[–]notochordFDS Newbie 96 points97 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

👑!!!!

[–]TigreImpossibileFDS Apprentice 149 points150 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Some 60 year old wanker's opinion about how many kids I need to have to support his Social Security and Medicare entitlements is of no matter to me.

Seriously, who gives a fuck!

That anyone with half a braincell could write anything like that about millenials just galls me.

[–]lalalalaikaFDS Newbie 164 points165 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"We thought, oh, we would see a baby boom. But we just haven't seen it," said Dr. David Jaspan, chair of the Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics at Einstein Medical Center in Philadelphia.

Well this man is a certified idiot. I never thought we would see a baby boom because of the pandemic. Wtf is wrong with men? What exactly is the thought process here? They think because women are stuck at home they'll desperately fuck anyone around and choose to give birth to accidental pregnancies, when there is a global health crisis and record unemployment rates?

I just can't. Men are so fucking stupid

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What exactly is the thought process here?

In my experience? Men put no thought into parenthood and assume whoever they impregnate will raise the kids herself.

Even 3rd party men like this idiot doctor clearly don't think about how much women sacrifice for children and how nobody's helping us.

[–]GIfuckingJaneFDS STRATEGY COACH 85 points86 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The "golden era" of economic prosperity was systematically dismantled and stripped apart by the 1980s. The 1990s saw huge job losses with hyberglobalization. They sold out our futures to concentrate a few bucks at the top. Its not our fault they couldn't think critically. Not our mess to fix, especially using our bodies as a cog in the machine.

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 47 points48 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s crazy to think how the horrible greed of the top .001% magnified women’s issues and sped up women’s movements. They denied married women/mothers equal pay for equal work and maternal leave. Now as a result more women than ever are refusing to enter into marriages or becoming mothers at all!

[–]i2aminspiredFDS Newbie 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s crazy

Seems quite sane to me.

[–]ShegoGreenFDS Newbie 48 points49 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've finally gotten the flexible work thing figured out, but Jared and Kyle in my DMs are addicted to porn, underemployed, and disrespectful sending me texts about "wanna come watch a movie?" or "wanna fuck?"

Okay I could not stop laughing at that. Freaking Jared and Kyle.

[–]marimare21FDS Newbie 215 points216 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I am smug in my refusal to have babies. If the government wants benefits from mothers then they need to give benefits to mothers first. And to women as a whole.

Same to men.

[–]ShegoGreenFDS Newbie 56 points57 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I respect women who want children but I'm so passionate about being childfree.

[–]oddcharmFDS Newbie 145 points146 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boo fucking hoo.

Daycare for a month costs more than what some people pay for rent in my city. I’d love to have a child but this ain’t the 80s.

[–]notochordFDS Newbie 147 points148 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m so glad you posted this here! Someone else posted it on my Facebook feed and I was called “bitter” for pointing out how nothing in that article mentions how most millennial men use the years between 20 and 40 to basically act like teenagers and refuse to commit.

Men are refusing to marry and have families but continue to string women along for years, decades even, with the lie that “we’ll settle down someday”. So many of them will have upwards of 50k in savings on top of their 401k but still living with their forever girlfriend who you know isn’t listed as a benefactor for any of that. Ugh!

[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie 66 points67 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

most millennial men use the years between 20 and 40 to basically act like teenagers and refuse to commit.

THANK YOU. This, this, this.

[–]PornruinedsocietyFDS Disciple 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they act ignorant to the fact their sperm goes off. The older men are the higher the risks of having a baby with autism and other problems.

[–]apozyxFDS Newbie 657 points658 points 23 (16 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahahaa omg this is hilarious. They don't even see the problem clearly!

"We need to have enough working-age people to carry the load of these seniors, who deserve their retirement, they deserve all their entitlements, and they're gonna live out another 30 years,"

They DESERVE their retirement! Who is THEY here? Because we all know that old women are one of the most impoverished demographics. Old women have never had a 'retirement' to be entitled to. So who is THEY?

THEY are MEN! Hahahaha the poor widdle men are not going to have the retirement they DESERVE! And yes, the obscene cost of everything and no social safety net contributes to the baby bust... but have you noticed how anytime women get the power to control their reproduction, or really, any power at all, that birthrates drop?? It's almost as if the litters of children women were having were actuslly forced on them by their captors (husbands).

Now the chickens are coming home to roost. If women had always been in full control of our own reproduction, then we wouldn't have any of the demographic crises we have today. Overpopulation is caused by men force breeding their bonded slaves. The economic crisis is caused by centuries of male driven capitalism and obsession with technology and they have the absolute fucking GALL to pretend to be naive babes in the woods about why all this is happening.

Notice the passive language used in the article. Notice the passive language that is always used to describe any literal 'man'-made catastrophe (spoiler alert, all catastrophes are manmade)

What fucking idiots. They thought there would be a baby boom? Bwahahahaha Jesus Christ they really have not got a clue! They're so fucking stupid!! Theyre standing around, jaws agape like a blubbering goldfish because they didn't see this coming!

LOL

[–]featherflowersFDS Newbie 217 points218 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This comment is gold and a beautiful tribute to FDS on your cake day. I commend you. Here is some emotive gold rather than giving reddit money.

🏆🏆🏆

If women had always been in full control of our own reproduction, then we wouldn't have any of the demographic crises we have today. Overpopulation is caused by men force breeding their bonded slaves. The economic crisis is caused by centuries of male driven capitalism and obsession with technology and they have the absolute fucking GALL to pretend to be naive babes in the woods about why all this is happening.

[–]DallasM19FDS Newbie 85 points86 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Here is some emotive gold rather than giving reddit money.

Let's make a pact to give $3-5 to PP or your countries eqiv for every boss comment on here if at all and when at all possible. 💛 Who's in??

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 112 points113 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

THEY are MEN! Hahahaha the poor widdle men are not going to have the retirement they DESERVE!

how lol. they were the ones working while SAHM's had no jobs, employment gap, and no 401k of their own. My mother was divorced and died with nothing to her name.

[–]notochordFDS Newbie 132 points133 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And this article doesn’t mention the many other countries who have been dealing with this issue for years! Um, Japan would like to have a word with the author...

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 75 points76 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

40 years later, China has entered the chat :D

[–]PahapanFDS Disciple 40 points41 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

THEY are MEN! Hahahaha the poor widdle men are not going to have the retirement they DESERVE!

You don't UNDERSTAND. They NEED to be in a place financially where they can be finessed by a 20something year old sugar baby so they have nothing left for their descendants to inherit. They EARNED this. Their entire lives they DREAMED of that sweet, sweet retirement when they'd have all the time in the world to ply disadvantaged, traumatized young women with their disposable income to touch their disgusting bodies.

[–]deep_faked_beansFDS Newbie 172 points173 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Overpopulation is caused by men force breeding their bonded slaves.

This one really is true, whenever more money is spent educating women in poorer countries, the birth rates drop because women have children later and less of their children die because they're better able to use medicines and things. Overpopulation is largely caused by inequality.

[–]lucretiamott1FDS Newbie 111 points112 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget that it's old white men who consistently vote against social services. They have absolutely no right to complain if social security collapses, they've been willing it with their vote for years.

[–]nonchalance77FDS Newbie 47 points48 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🙌🏻 succinctly put and 💯 accurate.

I shall give the vagina award. Best there is on Reddit. Had to make my own since Reddit hates us so here you go:

(;)

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Happy cake day, with a spot on comment!

[–]VelvettcumFDS Newbie 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Happy cake day!

[–]madonna_whorecomplexFDS Apprentice 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cackled with your declaration

Happy 🍰 day!

[–]esseteaFDS Newbie 364 points365 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The boomers effect on their sons is something that seriously needs to be addressed, there are quite a few boomer parents that I am furious with because they seem to want their sons to remain children and encourage their narcissim, one boomer mother I know is constantly talking about how submissive her sons wife is that he imported from an impoverished country, they seem to hate the assertiveness and opportunities that younger women have and feel that no one us good enough for their man-child

[–]anotherdamnloserFDS Newbie 227 points228 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Boomer mothers and sons are the worst. Boomer moms foam at the mouth about having grandkids it’s so gross.

[–]myeggsarebigFDS Newbie 112 points113 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m 44, and my oldest is 26. He has a partner. They love to travel. They’re not sure about tradition, and definitely not sure about babies. The amount of foaming boomers that side-eye me when I respond that my son and his partner’s legal nuptials and reproduction is non of my business. My only concern is that he treat her like the Queen she is. And I’m pretty sure he does.

[–]anotherdamnloserFDS Newbie 37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You sound like an awesome mom. You are my age. I’m CF though. But you’re doing it right!

[–]myeggsarebigFDS Newbie 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. I hope so. It’s scary tho. Bc society has a greater impact than I want to accept. He’s still a man, which means no matter how well I reared him, he still needs to be reminded regularly that he participates in the patriarchy regardless of how hard he tries not to; and that he always has to do better for feminism. He’s my son (I have 2) and I love them fiercely but fuck if it still doesn’t play out in their lives; it’s like going to a pool swearing you won’t get wet.

[–]HaveNoIdeaWhatToPickFDS Newbie 114 points115 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's sad that these women see other, younger women as baby-making machines. They don't care about the son's wife, they just want grandkids and let's not even mention how they later treat these kids like toys, instead of full human beings.

[–]Unlikely-MarzipanRuthless Strategist 50 points51 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy moly I have not seen a more true statement today. This just reminds me of Chris Watts to be honest. Have you seen the state of that mother-son relationship. Unfortunately if there’s sisters in the family too, they also end up being like a second mother to the boys.

[–]Eskim0 27 points28 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

one boomer mother I know is constantly talking about how submissive her sons wife is that he imported from an impoverished country

Wow, that's such dehumanizing language. Goods get imported, not people. I hope those are her words and not yours.

[–]Unlikely-MarzipanRuthless Strategist 60 points61 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it was more like a representation of how these men often see their wives from impoverished countries - like objects to be imported. And sadly, they often treat their wives this way - like an object or appliance that they just bought and devalue over time.

[–]spicyspaFDS Newbie 570 points571 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I cannot tell you how much I respect millennial and gen Z women. They have raised the bar

[–]two_cat_mortyFDS Newbie 352 points353 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Which was only possible because of the women who came before 🙌❤

[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie 137 points138 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I am gen x and I refused to be a breeder who would be called a welfare queen if I couldn’t figure out how to work full time and raise a kid without paying as much to daycare as I would earn at my job. No thanks.

[–]spicyspaFDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

While women before them helped, they've gone way beyond.

[–]AwkwardDisaster4150FDS Newbie 691 points692 points 2 (60 children) | Copy Link

Most millennials today can’t even think of having kids. They can’t afford it. Thinking of all the millennials I know, late 20s and early 30s who you’d think would be in their prime babymaking years, are renting a room in a shared apartment or a house with a bunch of other people, have tons of debt, and can barely afford to take care of themselves. This is especially true of the men, a lot of whom seem to have given up on ever getting married or having a family because they know they’ll never be able to afford it. Or they think maybe when they’re in their 40s they’ll finally get it together financially and then find someone younger to marry, which is not a good plan and I doubt it will work out for them.

Also, I don’t blame women for not wanting kids if they’re going to be expected to work full time while also carrying the lions share of housework and childcare, which seems to be the norm for a lot of couples these days. I would rather go live in a cave or something, that sounds like hell.

Additionally, I find the screeching about boomers and their worries about the lack of workers to fund their entitlements frankly disgusting. Millennials are the ones who are losing out on the chance to own a home, to have any kind of financial stability, much less to have a family and have already accepted long ago that all these entitlements we’ve been forced to pay into all our lives will be gone or worthless by the time we retire. So boomers have to make some sacrifices in their golden years- millennials entire lives have been sacrificed, it seems, and no one has anything to say about it except that our unwillingness to bring even more people into this dystopian nightmare is ruining the boomers retirements. Cry me a river.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 298 points299 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Or they think maybe when they’re in their 40s they’ll finally get it together financially and then find someone younger to marry

my dating app (for data collection:D) is full of 30-40 hobos looking for hookups, and 40-50 looking for kids some day.

[–]GretaTheBeeotchFDS Newbie 103 points104 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hobo-sexuals?

[–]azureangel35FDS Apprentice 102 points103 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

45yr old undereducated, underemployed balding scrote with gum disease and paunch: loves to have fun! let's see where things go! would love to inject you with my ancient palsied sperm and have kids someday down the road!

[–]throwaway450879FDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤮

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

looking for kids some day.

I want this inscription on these guys' tombstones.

[–]helloitsmesatanFDS Newbie 206 points207 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That line about them deserving heir entitlements and to enjoy their retirement had my blood boiling. Like I’m sorry, you don’t want to face any consequences for the economy and society you helped fundamentally shape at the expense of gen Z and Millennials ability to live basically at all??? We should all just churn out babies we can’t afford so they can continue to live comfortably for the rest of their lives? Sickening. It’s so infuriating to watch the panic over this while governments simultaneously do absolutely nothing to make it any easier for us.

[–]Geocities_SEO_ExpertFDS STRATEGY COACH 173 points174 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree. The only solution is to not bring more people into this mess. There isn't enough housing or infrastructure to support more people, and the sales tax from diapers isn't going to be enough to revitalize any city. The US has been in a slow downward spiral for half a century, and it's been impossible for young adults to support themselves for at least half of that. And people are only now starting to care, but still do nothing.

[–]Amaryst 41 points42 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SALES TAX FROM DIAPERS! 😂😂😂

[–]butteryrumFDS Newbie 99 points100 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thinking of all the millennials I know, late 20s and early 30s who you’d think would be in their prime babymaking years, are renting a room in a shared apartment or a house with a bunch of other people, have tons of debt, and can barely afford to take care of themselves.

While I'm managing my debt and it isn't a ton, it would have been if I went to a fancy school for 4 years. I'd probably be in debt to the tune of 60k or so....but otherwise, yup! This is my life.

Financially, it's just not a feasible, or sensible option for me to rent a 1 bedroom apartment in a safe part of town. (*depressing edit: I was wrong. Prices have sky-rocked way higher than I thought.) Most decent 1 bedrooms start around $1100 where I live. Unsafe 1 bedroom? Closer to $800. Plus food, bills, and other stuff?? No way. I laugh at the idea of a kid in that picture. Can hardly afford my own needs.

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I spend $1.1K on rent in a city that is ... not great. The cost of living here is vastly overinflated for a city with notoriously bad infrastructure, no jobs, and awful crime. I've researched other cities with much better quality of life and the cost of living there is cheaper or comparable. I don't get it.

And I'm doing okay financially! I don't know how poor people here manage.

[–]f_alt04FDS Newbie 278 points279 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Literally. I’m 29 and don’t even have the money to get my car out of the tow yard. Every day it’s in there it goes up $20. It was taken there because I had a medical emergency and they said it would have “impeded business” to just leave the car at the gas station where this emergency happened. I have a college degree but got laid off because of covid & have struggled to find work in my field. The thought of bringing another human existence into this late stage capitalist nightmare, racing towards total global collapse due to climate change, is absolutely ridiculous to me.

[–]apozyxFDS Newbie 228 points229 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

It's always amazing to me that the male driven media and male driven science has framed the climate crisis in such passive terms. "The planet is dying" they say. Oh is it, now?? Just passively dying? Lol, no, scrotes. The planet is being strangled to the point of annihilation because of death-obsessed men.

I totally agree with you, btw. Bringing a human into this mess is ridiculous. I don't hate my potential children enough to do that to them. I'm so sorry about your medical emergency, and the unjust impounding of your car. That really fucking sucks.

[–]ArcaiiFDS Newbie 176 points177 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

There's evidence that patriarchy (Male rule) is linked to climate change. I mean of fucking course it is, women know this. But you can't say that to men because they will do everything in their power to rationalize it. Even though this undeniably did start solely because of men and they continue to be the main drivers of it to this day while also doing less to save the problem.

I even read something that because being green is linked to femininity, men will actively harm the planet when confronted with it. They'll liter more, and just all around be fuck heads. And the solution they proposed was to make being green masculine, rather than making femininity not seen as some pathetic existence.

[–]Wildestrose1988Pickmeisha™️ 86 points87 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fun Fact: during the Spanish Flu men were late to adapting to things like masks so the government had to spend a bunch of money on campaigns to convince males that basic decency and protective measures were masculine. https://www.businessinsider.nl/people-vintage-mask-ads-spanish-flu-1918-pandemic-2020-5/

[–]f_alt04FDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. How many of our tax dollars have been wasted because of male depravity and toxic masculinity? God only knows.

[–]Belgian_jewish_studnFDS Newbie 64 points65 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it’s because they have this idea that someone will save them out of the mess and that these scientists are just hysterical.

[–]huevos_and_whiskeyFDS Newbie 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also the Murdoch media monopoly (fox news, daily mail etc) has been the driver of climate change denial and white male supremacy for over 40 years.

That one egomaniacal man, Rupert Murdoch, is responsible for genocide.

[–]noxhalo 49 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So true! Purposely littering, using polluting cars, and don’t even get me started on their obsession with meat because it’s associated with being manly 😬

[–]16February2021FDS Newbie 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My ex would eat steaks at least once a day. Steaks here are expensive. A good portion of his money went towards food.

It's so... Comical when I see men and their meat talks. Look at my meaty juicy sausage that I have grilled last summer. Are you even straight by this point. It's as if beef is their personality

[–]16February2021FDS Newbie 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My ex would purposefully pick items from shop with more plastic packaging.

Like... There is a carrot literally there on its own without any plastic packaging. What stops anyone from buying that.

[–]f_alt04FDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would literally dump someone for this 😂😂

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Check out Camfed. It's an NGO that provides financial assistance so African girls can go to school. Their website has very compelling arguments that educated women reinvest in their communities and create green economies with a noticeable impact on climate change.

[–]butteryrumFDS Newbie 43 points44 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That sucks. I'm really sorry to hear that. Wish I could help, my situation isn't hardly better than yours. Hang in there.

[–]f_alt04FDS Newbie 34 points35 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Aw, thank you. I hope I can find a way to work this out. I’ve thought about seeing if I can sell anything but only thing I really have to sell that would bring enough money would be my snowboard but my mom got me that for Christmas when I was 15 and she died when I was 19 so I can’t do that. Idk. I’m sorry you’re having a hard time too. It’s so tough just trying to survive. 😞

[–]butteryrumFDS Newbie 35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, don't bother trying to sell your snowboard. It's not worth it. Lots of snowboards for sale out there. You wouldn't get the $$ you'd hope to get back. It def has more sentimental value than it could monetary. Very sorry.

[–]f_alt04FDS Newbie 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you’re right. Thanks 🖤

[–]bodysnatcherzFDS Newbie 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you get a 0% interest credit card? Those have saved my ass a few times over the years.

[–]NovemberinthechairFDS Disciple 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I never heard of those.

[–]CoffeeAndCorpsesFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes credit card companies will have a "no interest for the first X months" special.

[–]CoffeeAndCorpsesFDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How much do you need to get your car back?

[–]f_alt04FDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A couple of amazing FDS ladies reached out to me & helped me fundraise enough to get it back! I truly wasn’t expecting that at all, I was really just venting about the state of the world, it literally made me cry to see how many people were concerned and just to have a community of such amazing women 😭🙏🏼. Thank you all so much 🖤

[–]ArcaiiFDS Newbie 83 points84 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but boomers think that's just us being lazy, rather than them tanking the fucking....everything.

[–]two_cat_mortyFDS Newbie 108 points109 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My millennial friend is still paying off a $20k hospital bills from when she had her son three years ago. He was in the NICU for a couple days but she did have health insurance. A lot of us literally can't even afford to give birth!

[–]whatismedicineFDS Newbie 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh hell no. I am so sick of this shit. Did she fight with the hospital? If you assert that you can only afford x amount of money and play serious hardball a LOT of times they will work w you bc it’s better than no money. I literally work in a hospital and fight w the billing people for patients and it’s ridiculous. It’s like “insurance only covers 20% of the bill” — ok except the bill is like 400000 dollars?? How?? So that your loved one doesn’t die?? It’s disgusting. I have zero respect for anyone who thinks that as a society we need to find something better than our current system.

[–]two_cat_mortyFDS Newbie 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She did, apparently they reduced her bill by about 40%. I'm not sure if the $20k figure was from before or after that discount (but it's insane either way). I stopped asking her for details because she seemed so stressed about it :(

She also opted to get a cesarean because it was the only way she could qualify for medical leave, which I think is even more vile than the bill. She literally scheduled to have her uterus cut open instead of attempting vaginal birth so she would get two weeks off with her newborn. I don't remember the exact details but I think she didn't have FML on her insurance plan but a c-section counted as surgery and therefore qualified her for regular medical leave.

[–]whatismedicineFDS Newbie 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My god I fucking can’t with America

[–]TigreImpossibileFDS Apprentice 75 points76 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find the screeching about boomers and their worries about the lack of workers to fund their entitlements frankly disgusting.

Honestly, that part of the article I found just staggeringly ignorant, blithely idiotic. Millennials have had everything harder. They came of age during the 2008 crisis, late stage Capitalism, housing markets full of hot air, low wages. Most of them cannot buy a house, afford a family and now they're being blamed that boomers won't have the retirement they deserve? WTF does that even mean? No one owes boomers shit, they had the best and easiest of everything.

I think of my own smug, Boomer mother. She achieved a lot in her life, particularly financially, BUT... she also refuses to acknowledge all the huge advantages she had that just didn't exist for my generation (gen X) and certainly not for subsequent generations. It's completely infuriating to talk to her. What does anyone owe someone like her? Absolutely nothing, if you ask me.

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know so many people who never recovered after 2008. Even my friends with solid careers have moved out of the cities and can barely afford 1 kid.

[–]abgazelleFDS Newbie 72 points73 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read an article yesterday in The Guardian talking about this subject that said "America punishes women for becoming mothers." 100%

The expectation that we as women must work, take care of the home, tend to relationships, and be the primary parents is insane. Men are expected to have a supporting role at best 🙄 We are the only advanced nation that doesn't provide free childcare or any kind of paid maternity leave. We expect women to return to work, at no cost to the state, when their babies are only weeks old. And to pay for the privilege of doing so, often times when childcare costs more than our whole paychecks because of wage disparity. But the cost of NOT doing so to our careers is even higher! Then you have the horror stories of women with very young children who DIE in daycare that would almost certainly not have happened if these babies had been with their mothers.

When my youngest was three months old the only thing scarier to me than putting her in daycare was the thought of losing my home and having my family be homeless. (I'd been able to stay with my older daughter until she was almost two, although I still worked). My worthless ex wasn't working, and I was the only financial support for my children.

The Guardian article concludes, "In light of these profound obstacles to child-rearing in the US, the question that comes to mind is not why so many American women are not having children. The question is why so many of them still are."

[–]Tatterhood78FDS Newbie 119 points120 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly.

My province is huge (just a little less land area than Texas) and we have 1% of it's population. Back in the day, when people paid enough taxes, there were over 500 towns, (with some having as few as a dozen people), but there was enough money from one industry to go around and then some. In the 90s, that industry collapsed because they took and took until it was all gone, and the bulk of the young people moved away. The average age in my hometown alone is 71, and they have an entire school open for 2 children (the last high school graduate was 3 years ago and the only one in their "class"). They also picketed to keep the local library going, even though it only had 14 visitors over a full year. Because they want, even if they don't use.

We're currently paying 1.7 million a year to keep a ferry going to an island that only 14 people live on, that's empty more than 80 percent of the time... and they got upset that it would only run twice a day instead of every hour. They threw a hissy fit when the government tried to save a half million a year in mailing costs by sending out electronic reminders, because they can't be expected to remember that their cars need updated registration every 2 years.

For the last 30 years, they've voted in politicians that have lowered the tax rates so much we're literally bankrupt (as in had to ask the federal government for money to cover payroll). They've run businesses that depend on a minimum wage to survive, and then fought to keep that minimum wage as low as possible so they could stuff their pockets at everyone else's expense. None of them saved, because they counted on government pensions being enough, and then drove inflation through the roof so those pensions don't cover their cost of living.

But none of them want to move to the larger towns and cities (because they "built" the province and "deserve" a nice living in the town they want to spend the last 30 years of their life in). They're upset that the government won't give them state of the art seniors' homes, high speed internet and perfectly paved roads. They're also upset that single mothers exist and "leech off the government", despise their own kids for not sticking around to barely survive, and don't want brown people moving here to "take over".

They've only thought about the short term, and instead of being pissed at themselves now that they're reaping what they've sown, they're complaining about how the remaining younger people who can't afford to support themselves with 2 jobs "refuse" to work a third to support them too.

Good luck wiping each other's arses when you're 90, grandma and grandpa. I hope the giant houses filled with plastic things you've collected keep you going when you can't afford the electricity bill.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 51 points52 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

nay, twas the avocado toast that ruined millenials.

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 62 points63 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So true. I'm in the U.K. and 35 years old. I know for a fact the State Pension will gone by the time I retire. The Government are pushing work pensions and putting the age of receiving State Pension up. We have the lowest pension in Europe as well. I tell everyone to make preparations because people my age and a little older will not receive it.

[–]_nerdofprey_Pickmeisha™️ 49 points50 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Uk as well and similar age, I just feel like everything has got worse and worse since I was a kid in this country, public services closed/shrank/underfunded. Young people don't have a chance, I was lucky enough to get my own house for pretty cheap about seven years ago (100 000 but it had no central heating and was run down) and a low deposit morgage, but if I was a first time buyer now there is literally nothing I could have bought on my wage (which is a bit above the UK average), so unless you have rich parents (i don't) you are screwed. I feel like our generation won't get our pensions....

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 32 points33 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. It's horribly depressing. Even though I am intelligent with good qualifications, I have been sick with several autoimmune diseases and chronic bowel problems so it has really affected my earning potential. I do not have a mortgage on a property, I'm actually on the list to move into a ground floor one bedroom flat this spring. So I'm guessing it will be a housing association or council property. I'm so glad I do not have children as I just would not be able to care for them, I had a very bad childhood, having to care for my three younger brothers. I feel like I've done my fair share of mothering. It's not looking good for people our age and younger.

I'm glad you managed to get on the property ladder. It is very tough nowadays, even if you're a couple with a deposit from your parents, it's still difficult to get a house to buy. I think these greedy buy to let landlords aren't helping either. I live on the south coast and they're buying up everything. When Maggie Thatcher enabled people to buy their own council property, those properties should have been replaced. I know two people in really good jobs living in a housing association property, paying just £450 per month rent, that should be going to people on low incomes who really need it. It's all so fucked up. I'm glad I haven't brought any innocent lives into this mess.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here the govt has started pushing "health insurance", which... the private health sector is not equipped for because we have public health care. I was told not to use mine and to stay in the public part of hospital. So I cancelled it.

The more years you delay getting it over 30yo, the more it costs.

Govt trying real hard to drop things they have to pay for...

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've had so many people look at me like I sprouted a second head because I'm a debt free millennial, my house is paid off (lucked out finding a cheap foreclosure in 2009), and I have no interest in reproducing.

Sorry not sorry, I bought a 3 bedroom house with a big yard for myself and my dogs, not to fill it with children. I am however getting a nice border collie puppy sometime this year.

[–]huevos_and_whiskeyFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you do sprout another head it’ll just be a sign that you deserve another crown! 👑 Go you!

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm mid-30s with a 401(k) and 6 months of emergency savings, which is more than most people I know.

I can't fathom kids. I couldn't afford them. I'm on track to retire comfortably as long as I stay childfree.

[–]Connect-Ad-9361 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly. I'm fortunate enough to be early 20s and in a place financially where if I did want to settle down and have kids I could, but I don't even fucking want to because it seems like such a fucking drag. I browse breakingmom all the time and my word the things those poor women are putting up with.

[–]faeriestixFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post IS. TRUTH.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]spicyspaFDS Newbie 267 points268 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

I'm disgusted at the article. It makes it seem almost as if the use of today are supposed to be the slaves of seniors. I'm also irritated because Gen-X is now being morphed into Boomers. And we're not Boomers.

[–]MagnfiqueMaleficentFDS Disciple 88 points89 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

They forget us all the damn time.

[–]anotherdamnloserFDS Newbie 54 points55 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

They do but I’ll take forgotten. No kids here! My sister either.

[–]azureangel35FDS Apprentice 30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol if I had a dime for every article mentioning the holy trinity of Boomers, Millennials and GenZ I'd be able to buy an actual suit of invisibility. We don't want to be noticed anyway 😂 -genX

[–]Summerisle7FDS Disciple 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

True, being invisible is probably best when it comes to these culture wars 😭

[–]spicyspaFDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I never thought of it that way. My only problem is sometimes they lump us in with Boomers.

[–]Summerisle7FDS Disciple 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just roll my eyes at the ignorance, and move on.

[–]CarpedictumFDS Newbie 158 points159 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

“We need to have enough working-age people to carry the load of these seniors, who DESERVE their retirement, they DESERVE all their entitlements, and they're gonna live out another 30 years.”

The fuck they do! They paid NO taxes and ran everything into the ground. They deserve jack shit.

[–]stonemermaidFDS Newbie 60 points61 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, we need enough cannon fodder to work shitty, degrading, physically injurious "caregiver" jobs for verbally abusive and ungrateful boomers. Oh, and for $10 an hour to change shitty diapers and throw your back out while getting yelled at. No fucking thank you, I did that once and never again!

[–]oddcharmFDS Newbie 27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I worked in a couple customer service jobs for 5 years where I had access to customer profiles that had customer ages’. The difficult ones were boomers 9/10. Call me petty but I was living during the “ok boomer” meme time when the internet had enough of their shit 😂

I cannot imagine how awful it will be for the health workers who deal with the ones who end up in nursing home or even the ones who have to go over and assist as PSWs.

[–]NovemberinthechairFDS Disciple 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I did it too, for my boomer mother.

[–]TigreImpossibileFDS Apprentice 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They exploited everything. Everything has been in their favour, they got the best of everything, own all the property and younger generations are supposed to pump out babies they cant afford to guarantee THEIR retirement???

Ughhh.

[–]queen_beastmodeFDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can live in a gutter and die in 5 the way they consistently vote for less social safety nets, less protections for vulnerable populations and the NIMBY shit which is basically just state sponsored terrorism against homeless people.

[–]Tatterhood78FDS Newbie 114 points115 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a younger GenX and saw this coming when I was a teenager because the boomers made it so hard to live here that most of the young people left 2 decades ago. When it comes to the ruination of society because of late stage capitalism we're way ahead of the curve.

They've backed themselves into a corner and still refuse to acknowledge it, lashing out at everyone but their age group. And they'll still continue to use their voting power to elect conservatives, because they hate gay people, women who have sex, and immigrants more than they love themselves.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. After the first housing bubble in the 90's/2000, I realised many of our generation would never be able to buy a home.

[–][deleted] 53 points54 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Also visible with the pandemic at the moment, at least where I live.

Older people get vaccinated first. Older people have first dibs, too. They get the "good" vaccine, Pfitzer, while the young ones get stuck with Astra Zeneca which has massive side effects for younger people. But no, fuck them, let's protect some 70yr old boomer first, thooose are the ones keeping the economy going.

[–]ChocoBananzaFDS Apprentice 44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

70+ yo are being treated like that because they are a huge demographic that is VERY easily manipulated into voting for whomever is best at propaganda. They don’t fact check, they just want to see a ‘strong’ leader, and that’s enough for them. It’s happening in my country, it’s happening in US, it’s happening in UK.

Sad really.

[–]scaredscaredgoawayFDS Apprentice 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This couldn't be more true. Government & big pharma be like: Hurr-durr! Gotsta vaccinate boomers FIRST when they are already at record high because We Live In A (*Top-Heavy) Society™ so they can strain on resources for another 40 years and vote against literally everyone's interests but their own! P. S. Hey kids! Why don't you want more BBs?!?? Here's 7 cents an hour to wipe our drool.

Also, other fun facts about where I live: inmates getting vaccinated before grocery store workers. Fuck me, right? Here I was, working retail, thinking I was contributing whilst putting myself in harm's way. When I could have just robbed a bank.

[–]TigreImpossibileFDS Apprentice 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We hardly exist, lol.

I get called millennial or boomer depending on who I pissed off that day 😂

[–]Summerisle7FDS Disciple 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!! I don’t even bother with these articles or subsequent commentary because they ignore our whole cohort.

[–]2340000Ruthless Strategist 848 points849 points  (61 children) | Copy Link

Good. As millennial and Gen-Z women should. Growing up conservative, every woman I knew treated motherhood as inevitable. I was mocked for saying I didn't want children and supporting reproductive health. Women's bodies are so political, society debates whether we have power to choose what we want 😐

I can't imagine having a man's child, but I've thought about adoption for kids cast aside.

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 141 points142 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Same. I am a Millennial woman. I knew from the age of 6 that I did not want children. I hated the dolls that came with little babies and I got my stepfather to put them on the bonfire! I've never waivered and at 35, I've spent many years on powerful medication for autoimmune disorders. So I couldn't even have children if I did want them. I've been judged by so many people. I'm tempted to just say I'm infertile. I'm actually living in a refuge with children and it's only convinced me further that I made the right choice. My Boomer mother shows absolutely no interest in my two nephews and she used to harass me to have children a lot, apparently it's different when it's your daughter having children, not your son.

[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie 45 points46 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I was recently called “broken” on Instagram because I said as a kid I played office, not house. I had dolls but I liked them to sleep a lot. I wanted to get dressed up and go to work, not change diapers. How TF does that make me broken? What kind of weirdo dreams about hosting a parasite that needs from you for 20 years?

[–]dak4f2FDS Newbie 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are boys broken if they don't play dolls?

[–]cupittycakesFDS Newbie 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've seen men, IRL men, say that a woman is broken if by 32 she is not married, a mother, or at least divorced- something like that.

Sooo.... 'something must be wrong with her' if she is not tied to a man in some way... WTF!?

Other ppl do not define who you are, men do not define you

I instantly hated the fat neckbeard who said it to me in casual conversation, I had to actively walk away and calm myself down. My date at the time thought it was hilarious but luckily he didn't say any dumb sh*t

[–]dak4f2FDS Newbie 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They probably heard it from Jordan Peterson. He says exactly this in a university lecture to young impressionable students! He says in this video at 7:17

"There's something that isn't quite right in the way that they're constituted" if a woman doesn't have or want children as "their primary desire" at the age of 30.

https://youtu.be/NV2yvI4Id9Q?t=7m17s

[–]cupittycakesFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

WOOOOOOW

I appreciate the conversation he THINKS he is trying to have... But to speak so absolutely like he knows the minds and emotions of all women and to categorize them so absolutely like that... is... it's... I-

I can't ...

[–]madonna_whorecomplexFDS Apprentice 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

My Boomer mother shows absolutely no interest in my two nephews and she used to harass me to have children a lot, apparently it's different when it's your daughter having children, not your son.

I find that interesting, I wonder why

[–]justforfdsFDS Newbie 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think some parents factor their daughter and her children in on how they'll be looked after in old age. Not the sons and their kids because apparently it's not their responsibility. My friend's Dad calls her selfish for living 10 miles away from him while his 3 sons live more than 50 miles away.

EDIT: I think now you weren't asking. I do read things literally sometimes 🙂

[–]dak4f2FDS Newbie 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she unconsciously wants her daughter to suffer as she did? Sadly there is resentment in some women if their daughters get to achieve more in life than they could.

There's a great blog by Bethany Webster all about this, The Mother Wound. https://www.bethanywebster.com/about-the-mother-wound/

On a personal level, the Mother Wound is the set of painful patterns originating with our mothers that cause us to unconsciously limit or sabotage ourselves.

On a collective level, the Mother Wound is the pain of women’s disempowerment being passed down through generations of women and the dysfunctional coping mechanisms that women have employed to process that pain.

On a spiritual level, the Mother Wound is a wound with life itself, causing us to feel an existential sense of disconnection from our bodies and each other.

On the planetary level, the Mother Wound manifests as our disconnection from nature and the planet that gives us life.

[–]BaekseoulhuiFDS Newbie 409 points410 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I will never ever have my own children. When im MUCH older i could consider adopting teenagers. They deserve a chance too, and many have no one to talk to or go to for help.

[–]GingerRabbitsFDS Newbie 79 points80 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!!

Many of my family members are / have adopted and it is just as valid a way of forming a family as any other.

I'm so sick of hypocritical pro-lifers telling me that people aren't my "real family" because of adoption.

[–]BaekseoulhuiFDS Newbie 39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find it even more real. Because you were chosen. Someone loved and cared about you so much they wanted to give you a better life :)

[–]sleepysiriFDS Newbie 172 points173 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SAME. even then, my goal is being childfree.

[–]LurkForYourLivesFDS Newbie 75 points76 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is my plan too. And I hope my bio children bring home the strays in their classes so I can love them too.

[–]cupittycakesFDS Newbie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This could be harmful to your children

It's sounds awful, but a good rule of thumb is to avoid the unfortunate and unlucky

My own father became obsessive over my 'best friend' (who was a 'stray' and an expert on emotional manipulation) and placed himself in between us and chose his obsession for her over his (non existent) love for me

Imagine the emotional fuckery that caused me

Anyway, it sounds like a sweet thing to do but remember your children always come first

[–]Awkward-Plane-6617FDS Newbie 53 points54 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This is my same dream!

[–]Throwawayrightaway28FDS Newbie 106 points107 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Mine, too! Teen girls. I want to save them from all that abuse in the system.

[–]BaekseoulhuiFDS Newbie 35 points36 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If i ever have like, fuck you money i want to open a womens shelter. Help get girls out of abuse situations, sponsor their birth control and help them either get an education id they desire or work experience.

Its not fair that their are thousands of children with no one. Not a single role model or person who wants to see them prosper in life... I just wish i could help all of them...

[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

that's actually my dream goal as well: support for the mothers and a boarding school for teen girls that prepares them to become breadwinning badass women with a focus on women's studies and a history of women.

[–]Throwawayrightaway28FDS Newbie 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg, I want to open a boarding school for girls! It’s for girls of all ages, particularly poor and vulnerable girls, to prevent sexual abuse and parentification at home. I feel the reason that more girls can’t get out of these home environments is because they don’t get an opportunity to focus on their studies or just be kids. So I thought a boarding school would give them a safe, contained environment.

[–]BaekseoulhuiFDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Im hoping at least one day i can donate enough time and money to help existing shelters. Even if i cant reach my ult goal i still want to help. Get the next generations of strong badass women the chances they deserve

[–]BellaMobFDS Apprentice 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That would be a wonderful pursuit.

So many people have children as an ego boost/an extension of themselves, neglect them their whole life and then preach that every woman needs to reproduce. Not many realize how much care, love and support a child needs. If I ever have kids I will be adopting.

[–]sugarplumcutieFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same!!!!

[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

years ago they voted for a law called the safe haven law that practically allowed families to dump teens on the church's doorstep. the law has been modified since only allowing for a 72 hour window.

*it was back in 2008

https://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Families-dump-teens-under-new-safe-haven-law-3267153.php

[–]BaekseoulhuiFDS Newbie 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading that made me so angry.. A father of 10... Bet he wouldnt let his wife take birth control or had to "spread his seed" or some other bullshit. But the wife tragically dies and suddenly they are to much to handle???

[–]sequinpigFDS Newbie 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I call the Punky Brewster plan.

[–]TagTrogFDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Especially teenage girls. It's my dream to foster teenage girls later in my life and give them the best that I can.

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me too!!!! I want to be one of those people who fosters like 100 kids, but all girls.

[–]SayNadFDS Apprentice 90 points91 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I can't imagine having a man's child, but I've thought about adoption for kids typically cast aside.

Sameeee. When pickmes tryna gaslight me (because I don't want to get married) with "But don't you want to experience the gift of motherhood?? Don't you want kids of your own?" - while I stares at them going crazy taking care of their 5+ kids and a useless manchild. Uh, no thanks.

Orphan kids though are different - they deserve to experience love and familial relationship, they've had enough injustice already. So hell yeah I will adopt. I am not maternal in any type of form, but I can give them security and education.

[–]azureangel35FDS Apprentice 70 points71 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Right? Funny how there's Don't breed or buy while shelter pets die slogans and incentives to adopt animals and I hear no one anywhere, ever talking about fostering or adopting kids in need instead of "making more". Just my controversial opinion but I think everyone who wants to have a biological child should be required to adopt one first.

[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

as a humanist, I can only shudder to see the extent of inhumanity with which poor people are treated, disadvantaged teens, single mothers... all the while prolifers march senselessly and harass women about their bodies. they are pro-birthers, not pro-lifers since they do not give a shit about the life of the mother, her financial conditions, and definitely couldn't care less whether that child is born into abuse or extreme poverty.

they have this animalistic desire to see those women give birth only to abandon them afterwards, shame them for being on welfare or hurt them through institutions and systems created to limit their freedom.

and what is even more ironic... these pro-birthers are also pro-death penalty.

I do not see an ounce of human compassion for women and their children born in misery.

[–]TagTrogFDS Newbie 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What no one says is the pro-lifers want to have WHITE children to adopt, not children from other countries, of which there are already more supply than demand.

Ask a pro-lifer why you've never seen a black child in one of their ads today.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they ALWAYS want a fresh from the womb newborn

Anything older than a few days is "damaged goods"

[–]wineandtreesFDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand it’s a hypothetical but there would just not be enough babies for everyone to adopt, or even older children. And from what I see it is far easier to adopt an older child if a couple has already had experience raising there own. Starting out with, say, a 3 year old would be disastrous for in almost every situation. Adopted children may have issues from a previous home life that the adoptive parents can’t deal with. They deserve love from adults who will understand how to best care for them.

[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol no, starting out with a three year old would be perfect for me. I could skip the diaper stuff & the lack of sleep.

[–]wineandtreesFDS Newbie 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you taken care of a 3 year old for a significant amount of time? If you have then maybe. If not then you are underestimating the work it takes. These children had lives before their adoptive parents, they aren’t blank slates. Toddlers and small children with trauma need real care.

Maybe I’m taking this too seriously but there are a lot of comments in this thread that seem to suggest one can adopt a child and just put out some food and the child will be super grateful. Or completely ignoring that trauma is a part of the child’s life and they need significant time, patience, and love. Some people adopt and then “return” a child when they realize how much work it is.

[–][deleted] 75 points76 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same. I’m getting sterilized soon and it will be the best decision of my life. I am happily never going to have a baby in this patriarchal shit hole with the “hope” of a better future. Nah.

[–]LurkForYourLivesFDS Newbie 102 points103 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Solo mother by choice for the win. Raising my children by myself in a home with as little cultural misogyny as possible.

Any one else?

[–]tawnygrisette 67 points68 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yep, after fleeing domestic abuse I'm raising my son on my own. Just hoping that nurture is a somewhat stronger influence than nature and he doesn't end up too much like his father.... It's my aim to raise a HVM

[–]LurkForYourLivesFDS Newbie 61 points62 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That’s a little different, but I’m still proud of you! You are strong and you will raise a strong but wise young man.

I avoided the degenerate father figure entirely by using a donor, and in a country where payment is illegal so altruism would have played a strong part in his donation.

There are more of us every day deciding to start our families without the pressure of “settling”. My philosophy is that if the right man comes along then he’ll love all of us, but I’m not holding my breath at this point.

I’m lucky enough to have two poppets that will grow up in a wholesome home with wholesome values, and they’ll never see me settle for second best.

[–]tawnygrisette 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This comment just radiates strength and confidence, you're awesome :-)

[–]LurkForYourLivesFDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you! The confidence is probably a fair bit of fake it til you make it, but I’m trying to stay strong through the tough moments for the sake of the poppets. They deserve the world, and a healthy, psychologically balanced world at that.

[–]Ok-Firefighter-2266FDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is something I’ve considered doing far in the future but idk if I’ll ever have the guts. Good for you.

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There’s a whole sub for women doing this and it’s my newest fave corner of the internet! Their stories give me so much strength.

[–]Ok-Firefighter-2266FDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you remember the name of the sub?

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yup! PM me!

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are a role model for me! I recently decided to follow this path but it’ll be a few years before I can.

I fantasize about a world where every woman goes the sperm bank route, refusing to marry and men are left without any children of their own.

This is not my primary motivation but I’ve been thinking lately how in a lot of ways, going to a sperm bank seems like the ultimate “”evolutionary”” move. Instead of settling for the genetics of whatever LVM proposes to me, I can choose.

[–]hardpass4 32 points33 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Right here! I see you, mama! Single mom by choice, raising two little girls to grow up independent, autonomous, and as free from cultural and generational misogyny as possible.

I get called a man-hater by most of my friends, I'm okay with that.

[–]whatismedicineFDS Newbie 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you!! I see way too many children used as pawns by shitty men. It seems so hard to raise kids all alone (just like carpools, activities, diapers) but I am impressed at your fortitude!

[–]lskfjd743FDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I get called a man-hater by most of my friends,

Oh, sweetie, you need to dump them and make new friends.

[–]thisshoewho 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here. Choose to have a baby on my own and no regrets.

[–]sugarplumcutieFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d like to adopt daughters or maybe start some kind of children’s home.

[–]honeybeerollFDS Disciple 519 points520 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

They predicted people would chose to have a baby during the middle of an economic and health crises??? Seriously? How do I get paid to be that f*cking stupid and yet call myself an expert lol.

These kinds of articles irritate me because like what, our generation is supposed to churn out kids just because the baby boom happened 60 years ago? encouraging people to have children to support the nation reminds me of pro-fertility nazi propaganda. No thanks. I don't exist simply so the US gov can take social security out of my paycheck to support the elderly. Especially because I have 0 faith in the US gov not tampering with or deciding to take away social security before I reach eligible age. Like I'm supposed to put in and get nothing later? Shit, I had a prof in his 50s say 10 years ago he didn't think social security would be there when he retired lol 🙃

Considering that raising children is like, incomprehensibly difficult, and therefore many people aren't qualified to be parents, I don't see how less people having less kids is anything but a good thing. Also maybe many women are turned off by the unequal division of domestic labor and childcare between them and their husbands... Maybe many women took the time to stop and think "wait, do I TRULY want kids?" and decided actually they don't, and stuck to that decision whether or not they were pressured by family or society to do the opposite.

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[–]fuckbudgetoverdraft 188 points189 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

When my NVM husband said he wanted kids (he already knew I didn’t), I told him that was great! Since he had no job and would obviously be the one to be staying home taking care of them that we could have a conversation about that again when he got healthy enough to mentally and physically handle raising the kid. Also, he’d need to get a job that could cover bills for one year of me not working to deal with the pregnancy and infant care.

Weird how it Never. Came up. Ever. Again.

Which is to say; Men have never even once thought about how much work it is cause they assume it’s beneath them to do it. No matter how obviously wrong that is.

[–]DallasM19FDS Newbie 72 points73 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

But my male colleague who does nothing to raise his sons and help his wife with rhumatoid arthritis wants a LEGACY ok?? They even travel seperately so if one kid dies the other legacy carrier will live. Oh and he's grateful that theyre both boys, too.

I wish I was joking. This is a convo I had with him yesterday. He told me I could always adopt. I had to explain, for the fifth time, what childfree means.

[–]steingrrrlFDS Newbie 17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

they travel separately........ omg. he deadass thinks he has royal lineage. god grant me that kind of confidence please

[–]DallasM19FDS Newbie 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I deadpan said "that's fucked up." And he's like "no no no. It's not. It's what we do." "We" meaning South Asian I guess? He's from Pakistan and I'm white. Stupid little white chick doesn't know any better about his holy lineage!

He has yellow fingers from smoking and his nails are long. They bags under his eyes would not pass the weight test at a commerical airport. He's not wealthy. Hum.and his wife sleep in seperate rooms. His wife has an autoimmune disorder from being pregnant with his children, twice. He doesn't help out but his children hit him if he doesn't bring home a gift each time he gets back from work. Pretty sure she's a prisoner who would love to work and get away from her misogynistic sons.

[–]steingrrrlFDS Newbie 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the bags under his eyes wouldnt pass the weight test hahahhahaaha. damn, i wish we could gently kidnap his wife for a girls trip to mexico or something

[–]DallasM19FDS Newbie 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same here. I haven't met her yet but I would love to. I really enjoy that you said "gently kidnap". 😂

[–]eveloeFDS Apprentice 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Legacy means money. When are those dudes gonna get it through their thick skulls?

[–]Important_Page_6846FDS Newbie 254 points255 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

They predicted it because of all the performative, one sided sex they expected women to have while in quarantine because... why wouldn’t we, it’s just sooo fun and good for us! They also probably expected women to be raped more as a result of males becoming increasingly irate and entitled during national emergencies.... I mean blue balls? 🙄

Abuse is definitely up but if anything this tells me women are taking control of their reproductive rights more than ever before, or more are avoiding/hopefully leaving L/NVM? Either way I hope the trend of women not having kids for these losers continues because it’a that much harder to level up and leave when saddled with a baby. Instead of publishing articles on how domestic and sexual abuse is on the rise and how to get help if you’re a woman in this situation; they would rather push for women to have MORE babies?! 🙄

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 79 points80 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Short-sighted dumbasses thought this would be a cheeky blizzard style lockdown where we cuddle for warmth.

We weren't taking control of our reproductive rights, there was a few 100% increase in fetal demise :( unexpected miscarriages and women missing their ultrasounds out of fear contributed to a lot of deaths.

I know mine and a lot of other women reported irregular and missing periods also.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Throw into the pile that a year of virtually unmitigated stress isn’t conducive to carrying a healthy pregnancy to term. I still can’t believe the dipsticks thought this would be a cutesy baby boom after we didn’t collectively follow regulations for the three weeks that it would take to stop the spread.

[–]huevos_and_whiskeyFDS Newbie 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Three. Weeks. 🤣😂😅😅😭😭😭

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Everyone's vaj clamped shut the first time we witnessed our partner not wash his hands and have a mantrum about masks.

[–]dak4f2FDS Newbie 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Preach.

And then get called a nag with dismissive, belittling, passive aggressive sighing and eye rolls for asking them to wash their hands when they got home from work during a pandemic. ThE HOrRor.

I don't like feeling like a resented mother to my partner. Gross.

I was concerned with our collective health. He acted like I was doing something mean to him.

Jacka*, I listened to you once and we got stranded on a remote mountain in the dark in under freezing temps. And I had to get us out of there. Let the adult adult. Never again.

[–]Jezebel143FDS Newbie 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“How do I get paid to be that f*cking stupid and yet call myself an expert” lmao this made my whole day!

[–]DallasM19FDS Newbie 62 points63 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oddly (not) it seems more women than men are truly cf (like moi). Of course guys are happy to be dads. One diaper change and you're a hero. Your legacy will be so appreciative and we shall speak of this honour for many moons to come. /S

Guys are big mad that I don't want kids. Just received a diatribe last night from a man I had been speaking to about how he'a now "not sure" and he'd have kids with the "right slave" sorry, I meant to type partner. But that he's not put together enough right now at 38 to be a partner to me (gamer, chronic weed smoker, obese, can't cook, praises himself in convo for ...cleaning...) But wants to be a dad. These are the men the vast majority of my sisters are breeding with. Guys who pat themselves on the back for washing a dish while their frontal lobe gets turned into mush by flashy things. Oh, also told him I'm not a supporter of the porn industry.

Told a gf last night that I don't support that industry and she went a little 'libfem pickme cool girl' on me. Also said one of her exes wasn't "into" consent but don't worry ladies she doesn't feel as though he's a predator. He didn't ask her before hurting her and that's totally normal. 🙂

Currently accepting applications. Any women out there who want to be friends with a stable, kind yet zero bullshit takin' lady?

[–]hologram_girlFDS Newbie 55 points56 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is a HUGE thing I noticed while online dating. It was all these men, like 27-37, that listed they “didn’t know what they were looking for” or “keeping it casual “ and yet EVERY ONE said they wanted children. So they don’t want the responsibility of even a relationship, but a child is cool? Ok 🥴

[–]DallasM19FDS Newbie 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So accurate. And you're right. The baby and kids stuff is for the woman only, it's just that he really wants the Dad Pin to put onto his boy scouts sash. Populating an already overpopulated world is an honour for us women and we better accept it!

[–]honeybeerollFDS Disciple 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be that old, especially on the later half, and not "know" what you're looking for 💀. But they want kids? Major cognitive dissonance here lol. I went on a few dates w/ this guy once who was close to 40; I met him on OLD, and while he said he was looking for something serious, I shouldve realized a dude who is almost 40 and never been married, there's a problem with him, or he actually doesn't want to be be married. I am sure men who are around that age and divorced, and are honest about why the relationship didn't work/their divorce is not a glaring red flag, are rare.

[–]GingerRabbitsFDS Newbie 42 points43 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A few weeks ago there was an article published in our local paper about how they anticipated the university enrollment for full term 2020 (you know that one that's already over) would go down. News flash, It actually went up.

How on Earth anyone got published with a prediction that was not only out of date but completely wrong is beyond me. :/

[–]sequinpigFDS Newbie 143 points144 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention birthing kids into a (formerly preventable!!) climate change emergency which is my personal reason #1.

[–]MotherMfkerFDS Newbie 99 points100 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This! The planet is literally going to shit. The last thing we need is more babies being born!

[–]_HEDONISM_BOTFDS STRATEGY COACH 71 points72 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Boomers: keEp yOuR LeGz cLoSed

Also boomers: oPen tHem a LiTtLe

[–]TheOGJammiesRuthless Strategist[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤣🤣🤣

[–]EarthEmpressFDS Newbie 163 points164 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not surprised by this at all. If you ever check out the child free subs, one of the most common reasons women cite being CF is how unequal parenting is!!!

I’m CF, but I’m not disrespecting motherhood. It’s a damn hard job. But it’s so gross how men will beg and plead for a baby, and then not step up to parent. How is that fair to mom or the kid(s)?

Then you add how shit the economy is, the pandemic, and just in general how America is right now. Are we really surprised that there’s not a lot of babies being born?

[–][deleted] 210 points211 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That whole article and not one quote or take from a woman or the gender influence over this. Who do they think is birthing these kids? What did they think would happen when women got rights and started breadwinning and doing all the domestic work? We got the short end of the stick. Obviously fewer of us are going to have kids. Meanwhile our counterparts are guys who have never even had to be handy or useful in a traditional male role. Most of them provide very little to us aside from a burden. I believe in Japan they’re creating laws that men must pay their wives for housework because the birth rate is declining so much. Not enough of an incentive if u ask me

[–]firenestFDS Newbie 119 points120 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There was one quote from a woman. And the one single woman they quoted saw the birth decline as positive, especially regarding women's rights:

For Laura Lindberg, who tracks reproductive data for the Guttmacher Institute, the decrease in births could be a sign of progress — a marker of women's equality and freedom of choice.

"So it's a shift to later in life. In that shift comes more education, more career, more employment. So it's a reordering of how people engage in adulthood," Lindberg explained.

But why aren't women making more babies??? Why???

[–][deleted] 70 points71 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I really flew past that lmao mainly because it’s not the overall tone of the article but I also find it odd that she’s positing that it’s simply that we gen z and millennials are postponing childbirth but what’s the evidence for that? How can she say we’re going to have them later in life as opposed to not at all? I won’t want a manchild husband on my back with a child later in life either.

[–]XRozeFDS Newbie 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s actually hilarious how confused they are that women are deciding not to participate in the reproduction of society!! Like, they really thought we’d choose men and marriage over our own survival. No wonder they hate feminists so much.

[–]butteryrumFDS Newbie 154 points155 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The social safety net in this country is in absolute shambles. The hell I'd ever consider a child for? That's a rhetorical question. Very much childfree here. The older the get, the happier I am as I'd be an incredibly miserable person if I had to worry every moment of the day for the rest of my life about my hypothetical kids. Let alone if one died during a pandemic?? Prob lose my mind. Nope!

I see no benefit of having children. Not in this day and age. Not when women are expected to work full time, mother full time, and manage the house full time. Too many men just want to be Kodak moment dads, not actual fathers pulling 50-50. Hard pass.

[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie 56 points57 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not when women are expected to work full time, mother full time, and manage the house full time. Too many men just want to be Kodak moment dads, not actual fathers pulling 50-50. Hard pass.

This. Completely the same.

[–]scaredscaredgoawayFDS Apprentice 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right? To what actual benefit for us...the ones who would be doing everything? Don't forget, we gotta keep the ass/waist ratio too.

[–]SewudFDS Apprentice 112 points113 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd love to have kids, but there's not enough supportive men compared to how many women want children. I look at the men I was involved with and I can only say I'm glad I didn't have children with them because they were short, ugly, poor and unintelligent. I'm neither of these things yet I could never get a boyfriend who is family-oriented and organized because these guys are in short supply in a sea of mostly inept man-children who want to play video games and think marriage is unfair to men.

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 72 points73 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Same! None of my ex boyfriends deserved to have their genes passed on. Every single one of them wanted me to have their baby as well. I knew better than that.

[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep! I remember my ex saying he wanted us to have a baby. Looking back I would have been doing all the fucking work!

[–]PornruinedsocietyFDS Disciple 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My second husband said he was hurt and upset that I'd ruled out having kids with him, I laughed and said 'why would I have a baby with you? I'd end up doing all the work'. He couldn't deny it and just replied 'yeah that's true actually', I commend him for his honesty at least! 😂 He was also super pornsick. I'm so thankful I didn't have a baby with him and I'm sorry to my daughter from my previous marriage, for bringing her into this horrible narcissistic and shitty pornsick world.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

all my exes wanted me to magically pop out their kids. It's why I dumped most of them (plus the abuse, but that's the norm lol)

[–][deleted] 220 points221 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gives standing ovation to all the Millennial & Gen Z women saying fck no and taking their lives back.

Honestly, so proud of us :’)

Which international destination are we vacationing at next ladies? ✨

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bali. So much fun and so cheap. The perfect getaway.

[–][deleted] 124 points125 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They’re gonna die mad. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[–]Belgian_jewish_studnFDS Newbie 61 points62 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And every time we address other ways of funding social security (taxes, wealth tax, speculation tax, carbon tax on corporations, sanctions on tax havens, military budget,...) we are laughed out of the meeting room by conservatives because that's SoCiAlIsM and TrEaDiNg On ThEiR lIbErTy.

we need to measure prosperity by different measures than eternal growth like access to green spaces and clean water, better infrastructure, liveable wages, universal healthcare, daycare, ...

[–]throw_away_orangesFDS Newbie 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! I was adopted and my boomer father never had to pay a dime for my healthcare, it was all provided by the state. I said to him “Universal Healthcare would give all of the children the same access to healthcare I had.” He said I sounded like a communist. Sigh.

[–]i2aminspiredFDS Newbie 33 points34 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have no desire to procreate with any of these loser males at this point in my life. Between trying to balance a lemon I got from Carvana, a job that physically stresses me out, and 20 years of chronic illness, I'd rather be a spinster cat lady for life.

[–]PahapanFDS Disciple 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"We thought, oh, we would see a baby boom. But we just haven't seen it," said Dr. David Jaspan, chair of the Department of Gynecology and Obstetrics at Einstein Medical Center in Philadelphia.

Hahaha, good. I had an abortion this pandemic and they can die mad about it. Abusive sociopathic ex aside, why the FUCK would I bring a baby into the world during a global pandemic when I'm not financially prepared to raise a child?!

[–]GabbaG0ulFDS Newbie 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women never wanted to be baby machines. They were forced too. That’s why house wives were addicted to valium and quaaludes. They were miserable. As evident by this article, they do not care about our quality of life. Only that we make enough babies to take care of them. Millennial and Gen Z have wise up. We know that tradcon is a life of domestic servitude. We know that society does not see us as full people. We know employers don’t value us as much as men. We know husbands will leave us penniless at the drop of a hat and social programs won’t follow through. We know society, as a whole, is against us. So we reacted and we look out for ourselves.

[–]ferociouslycuriousFDS Newbie 120 points121 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The biggest Ponzi scheme in history may come crashing down. Imagine that.

[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie 58 points59 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've yet to meet a man who wasn't full of shit. A man who wasn't emotionally cold, selfish or with a wandering eye. A man who didn't need an actual therapist. A man with even a modicum of emotional maturity and loyalty.

And as a Millennial it was driven home to me that I should be thankful to land one of the members of that useless sex so I could be his domestic slave. Fuck that noise. No wonder we don't want children with these wet tissues.

[–]Wildestrose1988Pickmeisha™️ 57 points58 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm so incredibly sick of articles trying to convince us that we're running out of people. Blows my fucking mind. What's hilarious is they always talk about how there won't be enough people to care for the elderly. Since when does America give a shit about its elderly? Only when they want to berate us into making kids... We let our elderly rot.

[–]myeggsarebigFDS Newbie 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh. Imagine a US where you need women for something AND YOURE NOT GETTING IT. Lysistrata may become a reality.

If you’re not familiar with Lysistrata here’s a little peak of a story about women who withheld sex from men as a bargain tool to end war.

[–]Xiena78FDS Newbie 46 points47 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

HA! I've been saying this for years!! You know why there's a baby bust?.....Cause of MEN!!!!

1) MOST IMPORTANTLY, MEN RUN OUT WOMEN'S CLOCKS. The men in this article are in their 40's - 50's worried no own will take care of them as they age. GOOD!! How many women in their 40's and 50's can't have kids cause men their same age "weren't ready" when they were younger, so these women did not/could not have kids cause the clock ran out, then these men started targeting (yes I say targeting) younger women as baby ovens. Thank GOD most younger women now can make their own way in life and don't need sugar daddies for babies, but for a long time Men assumed "hey when I'm 45 I'll just find some 20-something year old who will give me and raise my kids". Look at time lines, it's baby boomer MEN crying about this.....but if they had kids with women their own age instead of wasting everyone's time, they wouldn't be in this mess, but nooooo.....they waited too long, ran out one woman's clock thinking there would always be a younger supply!! Fuck 'em! Let them circle jerk at 65 that noone under 30 will look at them..as if anyone should.

2) They blame women for having a career and not "wanting babies"! Bullshit!! Men have fortified the glass ceiling so much that we have spent so much of our lives trying to crack it just to afford things like basic shelter.

And why?

3) Men are not able (nor should they be) the head of the household. Women are capable of holding down our own shit. So the trope of "Man needs to take Care" is old as fuck, not to mention the sky rocketing divorce rates we've seen means we are in control of our own lives.

All this is bullshit, if men were truly concerned about this, there would be WAVES of them seeking a remedy to their own behavior. Instead they just figure, "I'll go and find someone younger". Hold them accountable and let them learn, our reproductive capabilities is not just for their timelines.

***And for the record, this isn't about men needing time to mature to be a good dad. These dudes ain't going to therapy working out their daddy issues before becoming one. They just want time to screw around as much as possible first***

[–]yfunk3FDS Newbie 90 points91 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, why would I want to bring a kid into this world that Boomers fucked up so badly beyond repair?

[–]Ok-Firefighter-2266FDS Newbie 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember hearing people talking about how this pandemic is going to cause a baby boom and thinking all of those people are idiots. 1) The economic reasons are obvious. 2) birth control is a thing now. That many people shouldn’t be getting pregnant by accident. 3) I remember reading an article about 10ish years ago that for the first time, the amount of single people in the US outnumbers the amount of coupled people. Now none of those single people have a chance to meet each other. Why the hell would there be a baby boom?

[–]companyofwolvesFDS Newbie 100 points101 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I will never have a biological child of my own. I have never in my life had that 'instinct' of wanting to procreate, though I think much of it has largely been due to the fact that I have been surrounded by LVM almost entirely for my whole life (one grandfather being the exception).

It doesn't mean I hate children. Far from it; I love kids and I would happily adopt, but our civilization is so fucking backwards with how it treats mothers and deprives them of the larger family units and communities required to raise human offspring. Our ancestors did not evolve so we could be shut up in separate tiny houses living under the whims of one single non blood related male. It's so artificial and so biologically wrong. I think it's really fucking us up as a species. I am opposed to the nuclear family model.

[–]Nice_Pass2393FDS Newbie 46 points47 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm all for larger family units but of course mortgage companies wouldn't like women staying with family instead of aspiring to be homeowners

[–]ArcaiiFDS Newbie 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then mortgage companies can go fuck themselves with their sad dwindling wallets.

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Abusive men enjoy isolating us for their cult of 1-3 as well.

[–]N2GenFDS Newbie 99 points100 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’d love to have a kid but I’m not raising him alone nor settling for trash just to have one either.

With that said, whichever boomer is that worried about their finances can simply keep working until they die or some such.

[–]anotherdamnloserFDS Newbie 86 points87 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey they should stop buying their daily Starbucks and avocado toast bah ha isn’t that what they tell us, we could afford a house if we’d stop spending frivolously?

[–]CarpedictumFDS Newbie 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂😂😂

[–]escapetodosFDS Newbie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For sure they should just take whatever fast food job they can get just for the privilege of maybe one day meeting a nice teenager who wouldn’t mind stopping by every other month to check in on them.

[–]VanityDecay666FDS Newbie 39 points40 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As a mom HONEST it's a lone job even with a partner. I wish I got regular breaks so I wasnt ground down to bone right now. Your pulled in every direction possible and its exhausting.

If they want women making more babys then the whole system needs to change!

Workplaces need to change first of all. I'm surprised not more moms are in severe depression!

[–]Buttery_FDS Newbie 25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

See, this is why I babysit for my sister. She needs time off to be herself, spend time with her friends and charge her batteries! I’m grateful for her carrying and birthing my niece and nephew because I don’t want kids of my own. We used to have whole generations of family taking of kids, and now it’s just two parents? Ridiculous, it takes a village.

If society wants more kids born, they have to make it worthwhile for the women birthing these kids.

[–]VanityDecay666FDS Newbie 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You must be a god send!

Honestly I haven't seen friends in years as my breaks are rare and I'm running on fumes.

Nurseries within workplaces would be a step forward!

[–]Buttery_FDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even though I myself am childfree, I know society, and especially women would be better off with nurseries at work places. Less women would have to quit their jobs and rely on men, more women would be able to save for their golden years, more children might even be born! ( I think babies are super cute, I just don’t want my own)

Helping my sister by giving her time off from childcare to nurture her friendships, herself and even her relationship with her husband is a win-win. She gets to relax and I get to experience hating toddlers!

[–]Keachy_PleanFDS Newbie 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oklahoma and Arkansas have been going hardcore on taking away women's rights by passing bills that outright ban abortions. While at the same time, acknowledge that there are few resources available for women, such as prenatal care, OBGYNs, or after-birth care and programs for low-income and single women. It's fucking sick.

But you know, they're really concerned about the life of an unborn fetus. 🙃

[–]VillanellohFDS Newbie 35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well maybe if the cost of living didn't rise so much that both parents have to work full time just to barely scrape by them maybe you wouldn't have this problem (poor you). Let's not forget it rose out of spite because women started to enter the workforce and shock horror wanted to have good careers instead of staying at home all their lives.

[–]notstrongenoughyet0FDS Newbie 36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gen Z women are expected to have the same productivity rates at their job as their male counterparts in a hugely competitive market despite the fact men get paid more, on top of the fact that women are still expected to do the emotional labour in the house AND take care of the kids, just to get little to no recognition (everyone loses their mind at "bad mothers" but wonderful mothers have never been valued by society). Don't forget the fact that men have consistently used babies to trap women into staying in abusive relationships.

If you do have kids, more often than not you'll either have to work less hours, or rely on babysitters, grandparents or extracurriculars to raise your kids. And I honestly don't see the point in having kids if you can barely spend time with them.

I personally think that most people have kids because it's what is expected of them by our cultural norms, and because women have ingrained that they must be selfless and nurturing. I'm not bashing mothers by any means(if you're one and you're happy, that's great!) but I believe it's wise to get a realistic overview of motherhood before contemplating having a kid.

[–]ThrowRAanonymouspickFDS Newbie 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm convinced this is the reason why they keep trying to fuck around with birth control and abortion

[–]bitch_not_itFDS Newbie 67 points68 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not even like boom, this is karma! No, how about plain cause and effect.. consequences to your negative actions. Why did they think that a system that oppresses half the population, specifically the group in which humanity depends on to continue existing, was healthy and wouldn't fall apart?

I can't understand how they didn't predict such an unbearable life with no basic rights or freedom under an archaic system designed to funnel women into a life of indentured servitude to a shitty guy who literally didn't consider her as an equal human being (also carry the burden of child bearing and rearing) couldn't be endured for much longer.. and it wasn't. Not that there's still not a long way to go, but look how much progress for female equality had to be made in such a short amount of time - one generation apart

Also bewildering and maddening to me is how the mgtow incels of today cannot understand such a basic concept and act so sanctimonious about it, because they think of themselves as so noble for wanting to live under a system that only benefits them. So they pass judgement on women for being morally bankrupt and anti-family/baby.. just because seeing as how women would be the oppressed group in that system, women would please not like to participate in such a system and would just like to be left alone to live in peace, please

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

mgtow etc : single mothers are a blight. cut welfare to teach them a lesson.

also mgtow : no way am I going to be a cuck and raise chad's kids

also mgtow : tis women ruining the nuclear family

[–]SeaNegotiation8FDS Apprentice 70 points71 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aw jeez, you guys, I guess all those Boomers should’ve stopped spending all their money on avocado toast and start actually saving money for once in their lives instead of expecting another government handout. /s

How the fuck are these people so out of touch that they assumed the pandemic would produce another Baby Boom? We’ve been isolated for a year with no money, our anxiety is through the roof.

Fun fact: at my hospital, the number of patients admitted for suicide attempt by gunshot wound to the head has more than TRIPLED this year. All of them are millennials, gen X, and gen Z.

This is not a fun, sexy time for anyone.

[–]bellj1210 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or as a Millenial, I have seen what the boomers have done to this world- and i think it is irresponsible to bring a child into a world that will see the end of civilization. That and, boomers have pushed so much of the cost of their lifestyles onto future generations, that we cannot afford kids.

[–]escapetodosFDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right they didn’t even have to pay for childcare we had to take care of ourselves!! Their turn!

[–]soshriekstheshrew 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boomers fucked around and now we all gotta find out

[–]BetterToBeLonelyFDS Newbie 33 points34 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this news worthy? I'm gen-x and we were told our whole lives that social security would not be there for us by now. This was predicted by boomers. Now they are surprised? They predicted this 40 year's ago and did nothing. Boohoo.

I already knew I would never retire.

[–]roonil_wazlib_the2ndFDS Newbie 88 points89 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a bunch of whining. We boomers have been telling you how lazy you are and how you don’t deserve fair wages for the past couple decades. Also why won’t you make more babies that you can’t afford and also work to pay for my retirement?

I just don’t care. Life was so different back then. The boomers are the ones who fucked it up for us. Don’t expect my generation to fix it for you when I can barely make a living wage with a college degree.

Also don’t expect me to have a million babies when I have to do most of the domestic work at home and also work a 40 hour a week job since men are not taught to care about family life.

Lol anyway go die mad. We’re not to blame for this shit.

[–]yallloveFDS Newbie 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, if you look at the way the climate change science is pointing, brining a child into this dying world would be an incredibly cruel thing to do. The future is not bright.

[–]TheboredshrimpFDS Apprentice 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

For Laura Lindberg, who tracks reproductive data for the Guttmacher Institute, the decrease in births could be a sign of progress — a marker of women's equality and freedom of choice. 

yes.

[–]BungalowBootieBitchFDS Newbie 47 points48 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in Texas where the governor decided to lift the mask mandate. The same state where getting a vaccine is a miracle. I'm supposed to have a baby in this environment? I think the frick not. For better or worse, I finally got birth control because I have pcos. I'm never, ever letting go of my birth control.

[–]Plastic_Fudge_5000 62 points63 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking boomers. They stole from our generation already and now we gotta make babies to take care of the babies so the babies take care of them? I can’t. They already worked less than us while stealing from other generations and living better lives. Especially the men. Get lost already.

Also they allowed normalization of porn and even child porn in mainstream media, never regulated it and created generations of men with broken brains and broken dicks. We can’t bare talking to them on text we are supposed to allow them to impregnate us? No fucking way! They created generations of idiots that are violent, toxic, with multiple paraphilia. No one wants to fuck them or have their kids. Deal with it.

[–]whitefox00FDS Newbie 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have a lot to say about this subject. Number one, why are boomers surprised? There is absolutely no support for moms in the U.S. No paid maternity leave, no daycare assistance, no medical assistance, and no support system. Add in the fact that the cost of everything has gone through the roof while wages haven’t-most can’t afford to have kids.

As a mom, I have to say I’m proud of Millenial and Gen Z for making their own decisions and not being pressured into having kids. Because I can almost guarantee these women will be handling all the responsibility of parenting on their own. My ex-husband divorced me because the “responsibility of it all” was too hard and not what he expected. And he didn’t do anything! He just got tired of me nagging him to do his half of the parenting. ALL the parenting responsibilities rest on me. Support from boomer parents? Not happening. Even though my parents dropped us off at our grandparents every weekend, I’m now told they “put in their time” (like it was a jail sentence) and will not be helping with the kids. My friends are just as stressed and worn thin as I am. So it’s me, doing this alone. And it’s not an unusual situation. Until men are required to step up and take responsibility for raising their kids I don’t see why women would continue to have children with them.

[–]akashyaboaFDS Newbie 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"So it's a shift to later in life. In that shift comes more education, more career, more employment. So it's a reordering of how people engage in adulthood," Lindberg explained." That should be it. For the elders you can always cut from the military budget or tax the bigger fortunes more for real this time

[–]sacchilaxFDS Newbie 36 points37 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to have biological children. I wanted to before when I was married to my NVM, in fact I was actively trying to get pregnant and thanks to God I did not.

I still want biological children, but if anything it's for far different reasons. It's because I want to pass down all the work I have done on myself and all the health that I have learned and pass that health down to my children.

Also, having biological children isn't my sole goal, I also want to adopt. Open to all ages but specifically older children (15+) because I firmly believe that with all this work I have done? I want to pass that on to others that are not biologically mine as well-- and I also feel like every child deserves a good home, and if I can give that to children (specifically the "forgotten" ones in the system? Then why the heck not.

Now as far as who I would procreate with? It would need to be a perfect match for me. Period. That means healthy. That means HVM, that means the works. Until I meet such man aint NOTHING coming out of this vagina!

[–]505ithyFDS Newbie 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well most importantly the planet is dead and the world they’ll come to adulthood in will practically be hell.

[–]entpgirl415FDS Newbie 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What irritates me the most about these articles is their approach to solving this “crises”. This problem is commonly talked about in the economic field because people are really big factors to having a healthy economy overall, so that’s why there’s a lot of these articles going around! One of the biggest ways they choose to approach the problem is to make laws to get people to have more sex, can you believe it?! Making a law to literally control what people do with their bodies.....instead of oh i don’t know increasing accessibility to legally immigrate to this country and work OR giving better benefits to families.

[–]justforfdsFDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the fruit of men's narcissism.

They believe that disgusting women are lucky to find men generous enough to put up with benefiting from marriage to them. That men martyr themselves for sex or fatherhood. Projection.

They also need to believe that women, whether married or not, are desperate for sperm because of their biological clocks. Any sperm, regardless how sorry a NVM it may come from. Projection.

Men do sexualise everything. Trust them to think women would spend all their time bumping uglies under lockdown. Projection.

Women weren't having fewer babies because they were too tired from work to have sex. It's the never ending second shift that's tiring. Lockdown increased the domestic load and stress for all women. No sex is better than the contemptuous monopolizing of sexual pleasure that men commit on women.

[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My mom was a single mom for most of her life (she accidentally got pregnant when she was 41 her last child became an adult when she was 60). She struggled so much all her life her last child was the only one who decided to have a kid. The kids who she raised in the 70s and 80s weren’t going to sign up for that struggle life, so we didn’t have children.

[–]beatlefreak_1981FDS Newbie 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe if they didn't spend the last 40 years demonizing mothers, providing absolutely no support, and raising garbage sons, we'd think about it.

That probably wouldn't convince me but it might help other women on the fence. Modern women should be able to have family and career without killing themselves.

[–]ThrowRAanonymouspickFDS Newbie 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If old people are so concerned about their retirement then they should have saved up enough money to lot rely on the government. That's what my grandparents did. Social security is only a supplement, not their entire life pay in retirement. I'm 26, by the time I reach retiring age there won't be any social security for me. That's why I need to start saving right now. No one is entitled to anything in this life.

[–]The_PyramidionPickmeisha™️ 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good point, however, we should also not forget that there are a LOT of us (myself included) who simply have no desire to be mothers. Or who don't like children. Motherhood is an extension of womanhood, not it's definition and it speaks for our progress that we may opt out nowadays, even if we are facing backlash over it - this was simply not an option for previous generations.

[–]_HEDONISM_BOTFDS STRATEGY COACH 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound like you’re gonna do the /SingleMothersByChoice subreddit route which is amazing ❤️.

Many women who are married and in relationships with men wish they did the SMBC route to conceive a baby.

Too many men aren’t responsible enough to have babies with and they’re ugly as fuck to boot and broke as dirt

Edit: someone deleted their comment. This was aimed at them. They wanted to have a baby via sperm bank

[–]Starsuponstars 47 points48 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There's no better way to divide a population than by ageist shit-stirring.

Old women are already hated, now we can blame them for...what? Being old and out of touch? Hogging all the limelight and the money (as if!) Being the living embodiment of what all women fear, the ultimate unfuckability?

But yeah, go on about how "Boomers" are the enemy and not men.

[–]2y-omonkeyonafarmFDS Newbie 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a fair point, and the problem is definitely men, but you can’t deny that the women from the boomer generation didn’t have all of the additional expectations that we have currently, and some people might want to air their grievances about it. Boomer women didn’t grow up with only fans and pornsick men and expecting to work full time as well as child rearing and housework— also men actually decided to settle down and put a ring on it some decades back whereas now they string us along sucking us dry, never intending to fully commit. I agree 100% that the problem is men, but we can’t discount the added/different obstacles that millennial/gen z women face today

[–]Starsuponstars 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If the problem is men, that's where we need to be directing our ire. Not at women who are not responsible for male behavior. I very much doubt Boomer women were better off than we are now, the younger generation only think so because they weren't there. Just like every generation thinks life was better in the old days and no one has ever truly suffered before they came along. Porn was tamer then, so what? Husbands were free to legally beat and rape their wives, sexual harassment was everywhere but no one could talk about it, and women couldn't even have bank accounts or credit cards in their own name. And none of this was the fault of older women, so let's stop rooting for them to die already.

[–]escapetodosFDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I vow to care for my mother. And she was not the best, but also my father finally died this year and it was an enormous relief. I could possible care for 1-2 other senior women, depending on how the treat others.

As for the men- let them rot!

[–]Dumb_VelvetFDS Newbie 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would love to have a child one day but I would have to be married to a rich HVM to be able to have children and not have to farm them off to daycare. With the stagnating wages and skyrocketing costs of living, how could I have a child the way I am? Why would anyone have a child at all?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Late gen x-er without children here.

I have so much to say about this in the context as a BW. But going to read the comments first.

[–]AyemHerselfFDS Disciple 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The same people screeching about the prices of groceries when they live on a "fixed income" can't get it through their heads that kids are fucking expensive. Maybe if they'd pulled themselves up by their bootstraps when they were younger they'd have money to raise their own grandkids.

[–]dontcallmeratchetFDS Newbie 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

millennials and gen-z are like 35 and under. the average gen-zer just turned 18. most millennials and gen-zers are not old enough to have kids imo. society needs to stop pressuring women who aren’t ready to have kids.

[–]Dexaroo5716FDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No way, I’m Not getting pregnant, going through immense thankless torment, to wake up and find out the scrote is cheating while I’m giving birth and then later will complain bc my body “isn’t the same anymore”. Men like this deserve scaphism.

[–]TulipShrubs 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right? Lmao people blame millennials for a lot of things. We don't run our countries. Old boomers do. Every single modern problem is because of them. They're spoiled brats that lived in a golden age. We get their scraps if we're lucky.

[–]emannemazFDS Newbie 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s almost as if there is a situation where we are financially not secure enough to provide for children is a negative to getting pregnant or a global pandemic where health is not definite would be a a negative to getting pregnant as well.

[–]maddog1111111 19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ahem: Gen X here. I consciously didn’t have kids or get married. Evaded it several times successfully. Saw at a young age that marriage and kids was a major scam. Focused 100% on my art career. Now have been happily WFH like I have since forever, in my condo that I own...and will be buying home #2 in Italy where I also work, when this covid bs is over. My kidded friends are all hating life so much rn. Anyway All my gen X women friends are single and childfree. We are a cool bunch.

[–]TVsFrankismyDadFDS Newbie 59 points60 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Allowing more immigration would solve this "replacement" problem.

[–]ChocoBananzaFDS Apprentice 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha, they’d hate to see it 😂

[–]nymira-1FDS Newbie 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“We did it joe”

[–]quasarbarFDS Newbie 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or... NOT raising their sons.

[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this article sounds like men complaining because women don't want to be their mommies.

[–]PuppysnotFDS Newbie 27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Apart from the obvious reasons (only a minority of men are dad material, it's fucking expensive, workplace discrimination etc) there is a huge anti-natalist & childfree undertone on social media at the moment.

I am all for the childfree movement and absolutely supportive - but when it starts shitting on women who want to be mothers, that is where I draw the line. I chose to have a kid as a single mom (with a sperm donor) and am 34 weeks pregnant - it's something I've wanted for years

The amount of times female "friends" have openly referred to my UNBORN child as a "crotch fruit", "snot goblin" or something equally degrading is disgusting. Many of my child free friends have openly told me my body is absolutely permanently ruined and that I am stupid for committing to something financially for 18 years, that me and my kid are a drain on medical resources and tax payer funding, that I am selfish and lazy for going on maternity leave and leaving my colleagues with my workload, that I personally am responsible for ruining the environment by bringing another human into the world etc etc etc. The list goes on. Again I'm not saying I have an issue with the child free movement and some of these points aren't completely untrue, but there is a time and a place you know? And if I criticize the child free movement (which I wouldn't) even a fraction of that amount, I would be the villain.

And this is from friends. I don't date men (I am a lesbian) but I have been told twice in an unsolicited fashion that the pregnancy makes me far less sexually attractive. One told me that he doesn't see me in a sexual light anymore because the thought of me pushing a child out and breastfeeding is disgusting to him and he can't reconcile that feeling with the sexual desire he feels for the female body. Bear in mind we are not even involved in a sexual way - this is an old friend/acquaintance but we have never been together.

So yeh even apart from the many other hurdles, the anti-natalist section of the younger generation makes it difficult.

[–]whitefox00FDS Newbie 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What you’re saying is entirely accurate, I’ve also experienced it myself. You’ll still hear criticism after they’re born. The one I hear the most is “why have kids if you let someone else raise them” because they were in daycare so I could work. Do evenings/weekends/holidays not count toward parenting?

The bright side-being a Mom is the best thing I ever did. It’s difficult at times but I absolutely love it. Congrats on the pregnancy!

[–]PuppysnotFDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't win, if you build a career you are selfish and putting your needs before your kids, if you stay at home with them you aren't contributing to society and aren't teaching them the value of hard work.

[–]uptownxthotFDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i think being a mother can be a beautiful thing, but i’ve come to terms that i’m okay if i never experience it. when i was younger i thought for sure, i’d be a mom at 25 and here i am at 26 and i feel like it should illegal for me to have a child lmao. idk if i’ll ever feel ready. call me selfish, but i love just focusing on me and not worrying about raising another life that i brought into this world. and this goes beyond just being financially stable. i could have jeff bezos bank account and i still wouldn’t want to go through pregnancy, childbirth, and then raising a child for the rest of my life.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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