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August 13, 2021
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[–]Lost_Kale90FDS Apprentice 401 points402 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wanting a vulnerable woman is predatory

[–]asupernova91FDS Newbie 57 points58 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. This. This. And they of course also prey on low self esteem.

[–]noubun 164 points165 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m also Romanian and got to live in the US for a while when I was 20-21. Men are always fetishizing and being creepy towards Eastern European women as to them we are nice & approachable ( I believe they see us as weak ). Once you start to ignore the advances you’re either a Russian wh*re or a gold digger. They really can’t fathom an EE woman from a poor country ignoring them and literally can try any manipulative tactics to change your mind.

[–]fashiong99FDS Newbie 58 points59 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am originally Russian and from a nation in Caucasus and I’m so glad I didn’t grow up there, while I think that the situation is getting somewhat better there we are getting increasingly creepy behaviours from foreign men. I agree on what you said, it happened to me that men made extremely sexual comments openly in my face just because I am EE and in their minds I wouldn’t have said anything. The worst is when you reject them, as you said, they start going on about how we are w*s and gold diggers and that we should only be pro****s, it’s just disgusting.

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Racism and sexism, how lovely. 🤮 LVM are such lowlifes.

[–]Annual-Ad-531 139 points140 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

As a EE girl, can totally confirm. My country is neighboring to Romania, but we have it worse (socially and economically). The most well - known saying about family life here is "the woman who is not beaten (by her husband) is like an uncleaned house". Completely atrocious 🤦‍♀️

[–]pickadaisyFDS Apprentice 35 points36 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My god.

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe EE ladies (where possible) need to spread FDS? It sounds like it could really help. That and building some sort of safety network for women would be good.

[–]ProtoetypeFDS Newbie 274 points275 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men who go to other, poorer countries to find wives are really just trying to buy a slave. Eastern European women are trafficked into brothels in western European countries. Prostitution is rape and slavery.

Women in impoverished countries routinely use men who attempt to buy them to escape their countries. I understand why they do it, they don't actually want to marry these men. I hope they can make their escape.

[–]Expensive-Lab927 97 points98 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yup. You see tons of beautiful young Eastern European prostitutes in Madrid. It's absolutely heartbreaking and disgusting.

[–]EqvviFDS Apprentice 27 points28 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They often lure them with promises of other work too, like caretakers, waitresses, cleaners or models. When they cross the border the bandits take their documents and enslave them... Sometimes their first job (like waitressing) is legit, but after a month or two they get offers in the same industry with a slight raise, and that's when the bandits get them.

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Boycott men who use brothels and prostitutes. Consumers of prostitution should be prosecuted (Swedish law).

Create an underground railroad to liberate trafficked women.

[–]MaliceInLalaLand 84 points85 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t deny anything this post mentioned. But on a slightly more upbeat tone, pick-up artists are straight up delusional when it comes to EE women. These losers will visit the major cities (where women have better access to education, healthcare, better jobs and support networks) and try to pick them up basing their strategy on a fetishized view of the perfect submissive woman. They know it doesn’t work, we know it doesn’t work, but the chum living in his mom’s basement paying $59.99 for a course on how to talk to women doesn’t. The whole appeal of foreign men (at least in my country) is that they have money. They’re not relationship material bc of the cultural differences, the fact that it’s not guaranteed that they’ll stay in your country long term and also the fact that some of them don’t even see us as real people, but walking, talking porn tropes. Women will be around them for as long as they can buy them drinks at the bar or treat them to dinner and then bounce once the funds run out. While it’s not ideal, gender norms are much more strict here. Even the modern, high earning, college educated women will expect their partner to be a provider.

[–]dollymyfollyFDS Newbie 193 points194 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The interesting thing about these eastern cultures is that these women tend to be more aware that men want a transaction from them, so they tend to demand a lot in return. I’m Korean and while many eastern women are seen as desirable or “submissive” (for some reason???) these women are open about wanting a rich man and expect their men to take care of everything. Don’t make six figures? No job prospects? — you’re barking up the wrong tree. Western men get shocked when anything is ever asked in return for the value they find in eastern women.

[–]joysie21FDS Newbie 70 points71 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is soo true. They're not shy about it either, because they expected that these men wants them for their superficial quality. Where i come from, all the women that married western man ( at least one i meet irl) , they're making 6 figures. If you're not that, meh

[–]dollymyfollyFDS Newbie 62 points63 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Tbh it’s true for me too; I married a man who makes six figures. He’s an amazing man, but would I have considered an amazing man who didn’t make money too? No lmao. If you can have both, always choose both.

[–]joysie21FDS Newbie 35 points36 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! In my culture, it is expected that men wants to marry need to prove he can provide for the woman he wants to marry, even if the woman herself, will have her own inheritance and education and making her own money because the woman's family will think of "what if the man she married will mistreated her?" Mind you if they're married and he ever lift a hand on her, and the woman's male relative beat him, no one bats an eye. Everyone said he deserved it. That's why, they're seldom domestic violence in my local community, even though men are expected to paid dowry upon marriage - women literally just need to present themselves.

[–]Mighty_Wombat42FDS Newbie 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My family lives in the west now but our culture is sort of similar in that if a man wants to marry he must meet her family and they will ask about his job, his goals, etc. Also the men pay the dowry to the woman’s family, it’s supposed to be invested or kept in trust for her, basically as insurance so that if he mistreats her, divorces her, or dies young, he’s made sure her family has that money so she will be provided for no matter what.

Even if she is educated and has a good career, it is seen as shameful for a man if his wife needs to work to make ends meet, as he should be able to provide for her. Our culture is misogynist in many ways but we do expect men to provide and prove their worth to women before getting any of the “marriage benefits” from her.

[–]dollymyfollyFDS Newbie 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is like Korea too! Can I ask out of curiosity what culture you’re from?

[–]joysie21FDS Newbie 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm from a native culture in one of the SEA country - we're minority, less than 3 million population lol so I'm kinda uncomfortable writing it here lol, coz by just googling the culture, you'll definitely know where I'm located 😅

[–]fashiong99FDS Newbie 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree! I would never ever ever and if I personally had to choose in between looks and money it would definitely be money all the way

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Eastern women know the game, and Western men mistake Eastern politeness for “submission.”

[–]muiegarda1FDS Newbie 62 points63 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm Romanian. If you are a man and don't have money, you can fuck off

[–]InayahDaneenFDS Newbie 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I admire this about Eastern European women👏🏻

[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist 49 points50 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep be very weary of men who only have ‘online friends’ who ‘moved abroad’ to countries where women have less freedom

[–]fak_beauty_standardsFDS Newbie 127 points128 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

EE is a shitland for women.

I once dated a Turkish guy. He told me that Turkish girls expect special treatment and courtship, unlike Western ones. He legit said it. This is East.

On the West tho, women have more freedom of speech etc. etc.

EE takes the worts of both worlds. Girls are forever girlfirends cohabiting like 8 years before marriage, at the same time they hear some bulshit about how women should be heard and not seen from a politician.

[–]fashiong99FDS Newbie 24 points25 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Do not forget that most of the times after 25 a woman is considered OLD and therefore it’s extremely difficult that a man will marry her, now things are changing a bit but it’s still rooted in the culture

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah right EE ladies age like fine wine.

Frankly, almost all women age better than almost all men.

[–]fashiong99FDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Agree! But also because there is so much pressure on women to look beautiful, as much as I love my parents they have always encouraged me to diet and do everything that it takes to look good, this pressure isn’t there on men

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, it’s not. So not only do men act badly, they also look ugly. Most men, worldwide, are trash. And most men are trash by choice.

[–]fashiong99FDS Newbie 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agree! The fact is that once men where chosen for their social/ economic level and their education while nowadays if a woman openly says that she looks for that in a man she’s going to get bad stares. Women are expected to demand 0, come on 😂

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Basically women are expected to demand zero and give 200%. What’s the point? It’s too much work.

[–]fashiong99FDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly!

[–]fak_beauty_standardsFDS Newbie 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😃 This. And 30 is old for an employer... And in general. Just buy a coffin at 30 and lay in it.

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So the solution is demand better treatment on the individual level (like Turkish women do) and demand reforms that help women (like Western women do). One thing EE women seem to have going for them is that they are often very smart and educated and are becoming wise to LVM foreigners.

[–]fak_beauty_standardsFDS Newbie 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hopefully. EE is now very into libfem bs (it's new) Radical feminism has not reached there yet.

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the US we went through that libfem garbage. I’m hoping you guys can learn from our mistakes and skip that phase.

[–]asupernova91FDS Newbie 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This applies to some Asian and Latino cultures as well. I’m from Central America, when I lived back there I worked, had a car, had my own apartment and had my trademark sassy attitude, men hated every single aspect of it.

[–]DifferentBar6FDS Newbie 71 points72 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is sinister and predatory.

[–]Concerned_bee 60 points61 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an EE woman I can confirm that this is true. Most EE men are of low value even when they migrate and grow up in the west. EE women are treated as sub human back home. My family act as if I’m with some alien when I casually mention that my male partner does the majority of cleaning. Or how my partner buys me flowers and prepares candle lit baths for me. Just small things like that are seen as the most extreme to them.

[–]CountBubblegumFDS Newbie 48 points49 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can confirm - am Ukrainian, moved to the Western country recently. Dating in EE is a nightmare incarnate and EE men are trash in 99.9% of cases. The "better" ones would keep a facade of civility only to turn on a woman as soon as they consider her "secured". I've heard multiple stories of Ukrainian men who moved back home from Europe because they can't handle European women and couldn't find a wife there (speaks volumes of those men).

That's why I never actually dated back home: yes, more often than not men will pay for everything on a date, but they will 100% expect you to put out afterwards and get angry and violent if you don't. Therefore EE radical feminism is even way more ruthless than FDS and heavily recommends not to date or otherwise romantically engage with men at all, since even one date going wrong can easily become lethal - so common and downplayed violence against women is.

[–]Some-Air9442FDS Newbie 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s it—boycott men, male violence, drunkenness and other bullshit. Enough is enough. Bad men will not be rewarded by having their genes passed on. Bad men will not be rewarded with sex, cohabitation, marriage, dating or anything else.

[–]Elyliisa 65 points66 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As an Eastern European woman now living in Western Europe I can definitely confirm that. Once they hear the accent it always bring hightened interest and I have always hated it.

I can also certainly understand why this stereotype that EE women are good wives and good slaves has happened. In my whole life I have only seen less than a handful of healthy marriages that aren't with a man who is a drunk, violent, or otherwise dysfunctional. Women are programmed to be submissive and put the jackass on a pedestal while suffering herself. It's really a vicious cycle. We've spent generations being groomed for it and I'm not surprised why being a man's doormat doesn't seem like such a big deal to a young girl.

[–]AconiteBlackbird 61 points62 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am Russian (lived there for 33 years) who was lucky enough to immigrate to Canada. All truth written. Fucking misogynistic hell.

[–]rawwwrrrgghhFDS Newbie 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men like these written about want a pussy. The rest of the person doesn’t need rights, education, a voice, a good life and so on. They want a body part, maybe two or three - don’t forget tits and ass - and not a human being on their side. They don’t want a partner. And it makes sense. A partner is equal to you. A partner calls you out, expects things to be done, wants to be Heard and respected. If you are so low that you can’t have a partner, because no one will deal with your shit fit a long time, it’s only a step to make to with for „an easy woman“.

[–]PollyAnnaSunshineFDS Newbie 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to lurk "manosphere" blogs from time to time years ago as I had a feeling this stuff was about to come mainstream and wanted to learn more about it (the info has been useful in guarding against it as it has become mainstream).

Some of my family is from the Balkans/Asia Minor area originally and it made me sick to see some of the comments recommending that guys who cannot afford to travel overseas visit their local Orthodox church to look for young women to scam with their PUA techniques. Ultimately the joke is on them because most of the women in my community are highly educated including as medical doctors or Ph.D.s in the hard sciences. Hardly the submissive, dependent women they fetishize on their blogs.

[–]Donttellmehow2feelFDS Newbie 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I understand the rant about the LVM fetishizing EEs and South Asians, but generalizing all the Eastern Europe, which is a region made of countries of different cultures and economic advancement, is not right. Also, USA's all-inclusive, libfem culture is not all nice and fluffy and not necessarily beneficial to women. For example, I was pursued by a Ukrainian guy once and I liked his classical old school courting me, with flowers and dates and stuff. Never had it with a Western man, except my SO.

Basically, I don't agree whenever I face a false dichotomy.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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