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Men tell us what they are all the time, but when we repeat it, we are accused of being "misandrist"

TheOGJammies

June 1, 2020

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Title	Men tell us what they are all the time, but when we repeat it, we are accused of being "misandrist"
Author	TheOGJammies
Upvotes	109
Comments	11
Date	June 1, 2020 7:23 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/gug0hp/men_tell_us_what_they_are_all_the_time_but_when/
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[–]Happy-MuffinFDS Newbie36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]wolfthewomanFDS Newbie34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]Happy-MuffinFDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]wolfthewomanFDS Newbie24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well you are free to believe what you want but I'll challenge your beliefs by asking: why have men been raping and oppressing women since the beginning of time? Why is it that in many countries around the world women still do not have even basic human rights and, in those same countries, the rape rates happen to be extremely high? Why is it that, at any given moment, a group of men can come together and gang rape a woman? look up what happened to Junko Furuta. Or what happened to Lara Logan. These are just two of countless examples. It can't be just a coincidence that a group of male acquaintances are all rapists. Or what about all the examples in history of wartime sexual violence? How is it possible that most soldiers throughout history were rapists? Is it really that big of a coincidence that so many rapists happened to end up in the same place together? Nah, it can't be just a coincidence.

Humans are animals. Sexual aggression by males toward females is widespread among social mammals. Homo sapiens are not exempt from this behavior.

That being said...just because males by nature are rapists doesn't mean that all men are rapists in our present society, or would be rapists if given the chance. There are many disgusting aspects of human nature, but obviously we aren't cavemen anymore so most of us are able to control our impulses and suppress the negative aspects of human nature. However, it is still important to understand human nature, particularly male nature, since you cannot fully erase it, and you never know when it's going to come out. Libfems do NO favors to women by ignoring male nature and pretending that men and women are exactly the same and that women shouldn't be afraid of men blah blah. The only way we can keep ourselves safe is by being aware of reality.

I'll say it again: not all men are rapists. Not all men are evil. Some men are more evolved than others. Some men have mastered the art of thinking with their brains and not their penises so they can understand that rape is morally wrong and would never do it. But it is important for all women to be aware of male nature so we can be cautious and do our best to not become victims.

[–]Gaki-fan-too2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Happy-MuffinFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Most men have never committed sexual abuse, including throughout history. However, men are certainly prone to impulsive, selfish behavior. I do not think men are born rapists or have a rapist gene.

If that is the case then men should not be allowed to care for children, women, or be in positions of power or authority. If they truly are so predisposed to being evil and doing evil then they should seriously not be trusted with the vulnerable or with power.

Rape is truly a despicable and evil crime. Ive taken care of rape victims and helped them heal and to think that men are born this way is so unconscionable its literally hard to grasp. But sexual abuse is not a gene, its a choice. What men lack is wisdom, self control, and respect for women - they have gotten away with evil and made excuses (such as this rape gene theory) for too long.

Much research has gone into studying why sexual abuse occurs and its never a genetic thing - its a choice made by evil men. I dont know why people are so comfortable believing that men are just born rapists. If that were the case, then why ever date or marry?? Youre in genuine danger! It doesn't bother you at all that men are rapists by nature? Your brother, father, male friends?

Human men are not other animals. Appeal to nature is a fallacy used to justify evil behavior.

And if they are born rapists then id rather abort a boy then give birth to a rapist. Thats just a shpiel but i think believing that men are "born this way" is just excuse making for evil, despicable behavior.

[–]wolfthewomanFDS Newbie11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Happy-MuffinFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Im not trying to fight. Its just a discussion, though i disagree - if youre open to that.

I think youre right and prudent to warn women about the way men act and have been allowed to be. But, i was more angry with the idea that was posited in the post from the scrote in the video who made the case that violating women and attacking women is par the course of male behavior. Which you also said is the case (using admittedly good evidence).

What im saying is the idea that men are born rapists, using chimps as some type of evidence, is not only wrong but a dangerous thought. Scrotes promote this belief bc then they are never accountable for their behavior. they say "this is the way men are!" Just like the scrote on the video above. And WOMEN end up having to change ourselves to somehow manage a scrotes "genes".

But if we believe this, we accept vile and grotesque abuse as a kind of default mode for men. In my opinion this is not true or backed up by evidence and women will never get the safety and respect we deserve as long as we align ourselves with this evopsych, bro science that shows rape of women and mens perpetuation of it as "nature".

I get where youre coming from and agree in some aspects. Men certainly are trash and will remain trash until proven otherwise - women have to think this way to stay safe. But ultimately we want a better, safer, more respectful world and an important part of getting there is having high standards for the weaker sex and utterly expecting them in every way to operate according to those standards. This includes banishing the belief that men are in any way genetically rapists.

[–]wolfthewomanFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The point of my post wasn't even to say that I particularly agree that all men are rapists, it was more so to point out the fact that men keep telling us themselves that they are rapists by nature but if we dare repeat what they said then we are the evil ones, which isn't fair. What is even stranger is the fact that conservative males are the ones who tend to be anti-feminist and accuse us all of being "misandrist" yet conservative males are the ones who literally tell us that they are rapists, so it doesn't make sense that they are opposed to us echoing their statements.

Although it wasn't the point of my original post to put my opinion out there, I do personally believe that most men have the capacity to rape in a natural state. I just can't ignore all the atrocities they've committed against women throughout history and still continue to commit to this day. I just can't. It seems impossible that men were just somehow conditioned to be this way (by who?) when this behavior has been examined in men from ALL ethnic backgrounds and cultures throughout history. So we can just agree to disagree on this.

That being said, men don't have to be that way and I agree that appeal to nature is not a valid excuse for them to use. There are a lot of disgusting things that humans do in nature. I'm sure you could even find horrible things women have done in nature. For example, infanticide used to be quite common throughout history. Does that mean women should be able to kill their babies now and use nature as an excuse? No, of course not.

Men are evolving and I truly believe that there are good men out there. The dudes on r/GenderCriticalGuys are examples of good men who are our allies. But unfortunately good men are few and far between. So what can we do to protect women? I know bringing up the nature argument seems flawed because it implies that men cannot change and that women are responsible for their rapes. Obviously women are NOT responsible for their rapes. However, not educating women on male nature and pretending like it's perfectly safe for them to hang around strange men puts them in harm's way. So what is the solution? We can educate men and try to socially condition them to be different, but feminists have already been doing for generations and it hasn't yet fixed the problem. So what else can be done?

[–]OrchidLionFDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link