The problem with liberal feminism and "sex positivity" aka selling your self online when people say "it isnt hurting anyone" when in reality these people are hurting other women by proxy. -Thoughts?

Throwthisaway512 · 2020-09-14T23:11:25+00:00

I do, sex work is not work it’s prostitution. Do we see lawyers and doctors going to Only Fans in droves? I don’t think “sex work” is really about choice, it’s about lack of options for a woman to take care of herself.

Why do men say for a woman to get a OF even if they are accomplished because “Your hot, think of the money you’ll make!” Do we ask men to sell their bodies in the same manner?

We need to support women who have been trafficked, who have been tricked by the toxic patriarchy by this crap and actually offer real workplace protections and safety nets for these vulnerable women and girls.

I’m not a expert but if y’all want to see a woman who’s doing real work I’d recommend you go look up Gail Dines on YouTube right now.

electroloop · 2020-09-14T23:22:48+00:00

Alright that video really struck a cord with me.

As someone who was deeply invested in the bimbofication culture, including surgery, I believe I can speak legitimate truth from my experiences.

As much as they don’t want to admit it, this specific “look” DOES stem from deeply rooted trauma. Nobody wakes up one day and decides “hey, I want to get comical sized tits and lips. I want to feel empowered and as much of a female as possible.” My look was the result of years of grooming, and mental trauma.

This look is 100% for the attraction and retention of men. A majority of men who are attracted to this look are extreme LVM who are all for misogyny and the objectification of women. These women are hyper aware of it, and are capitalizing on their sexuality. Good for them.

From my own personal modifications that are irreversible due to my attraction in the past to this specific look, I am paying a hefty price now. I’m highly educated, driven, and well spoken. I am extremely nice to everyone I meet. However, my physical attributes certainly hold me back from being taken seriously. And I beg to differ with the ring leader in this video, nobody thinks you’re smart or will take you seriously unfortunately.

Extreme liberal feminism has certainly messed up the landscape for a plethora of women. Gone are the days where you were highly respected for your accomplishments, your demeanour, and your kindness to others.

It seems like nowadays you’re basically another face in the crowd unless you succumb to the agenda of the patriarchy and sell pictures of your asshole on Onlyfans for $3.99 a month.

Tell-Me-Whyy · 2020-09-14T23:18:38+00:00

I'm sorry but I can't support someone's choice to be a sexual object, live by seeking male validation, objectifying themselves. I know trafficking exists and I know how society influences women a lot in this manner.

I know we all have freedom of choice to do what we want with our bodies but... it's wrong. And exactly as you said, it negatively impacts all of us women.

I agree with what you've said tbh.

tossed_salad100 · 2020-09-15T15:09:59+00:00

YES. Pickmes also do this. All the women who will sleep with men on the first date or third date lead them to expect that, and they won't even consider women who want to wait. Liberal feminism has just spoiled and pampered men while leaving women in the dirt.

HealingGumsMurphy01 · 2020-09-15T07:44:01+00:00

Congratulations, you've seen the problems with liberal feminism.

Radical feminism doesn't buy into the patriarchy. Radical feminism stands for the needs of women. Adult human females. Sex work is not empowering to women. If it was, they would not have to be kidnapped and drugged and threatened to do it.

A lot of men are impotent (pornsick) and don't know how to relate to a human female, because they have been warped by watching porn, which is violent and abusive to women. This all ties in with incels & LVM.

The GC (gender critical) sub was banned by Reddit. Some women are at ovarit.com Some have gone to spinster.xyz

Gail Dines is a very good person to watch about the harms of porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGb_h-d1b9A

janiceofcourse · 2020-09-14T23:16:19+00:00

I think you might be misdirecting your anger here. Ultimately, the behavior of men is to blame in all the situations you've mentioned--not other women. Remember, men will grope, stalk, and harass women no matter what clothes they're wearing/how modest their behavior. This museum exhibition exemplifies that fact.

Patriarchy conditions all of us to focus on pleasing men and the male gaze. It's the smog we all breathe in and the source of the toxic lessons we all have to struggle to unlearn. So place blame where blame is due and remember that women who depend on the male gaze for either financial survival or emotional validation are victims of a system that tells them their body is their only source of value. When I see the women in that video, I feel bad for them, but they didn't create "bimbos." "Bimbos" never existed in a vacuum. It was born from men and is perpetuated from a culture which holds their ideas (and their ideas alone) of what a woman's sexuality is/looks like above all others. They've taken on an identity they did not forge themselves and that's sad.

dntbfllikeidid · 2020-09-14T23:21:58+00:00

I think men will always see women as sexual objects regardless of how we behave. It’s always been this way, and it will always be this way. They are probably wired like that, it doesn’t matter how women dress of behave. So no, I don’t believe that if women stopped behaving like that things would change. Pigs will be pigs, regardless of how you dress them and where you put them.

heythere360 · 2020-09-15T02:33:49+00:00

It’s not a cam girls fault that a man feels the need to leer at you when you’re in a flashy top.

The problem starts and ends with men. Sis they are sick. Women keep trying to rationalize and control them, but they cannot be controlled. We cannot blame other women for men’s internal weakness.

No one forced them to pay for 18 year olds to strip down naked. These men are not the victims they are the perpetrators of evil.

You should be a lot more concerned about the well being of these poor women who will grow up to be so abused and fucked up in the head by all of these old men who took advantage of their young bodies for sexual pleasure.

None of these men will offer therapy of support of these young exploited girls. And I know adult Pick Meishas personally who are perpetrating this kind of loose behavior in young girls who themselves where sexually abused and groomed as children too. It’s cyclical - but all started by men.

Women don’t control the sex industry market - men do. The demand got higher so did the opportunities to sell yourself for a buck.

Men are the predators. That’s why you don’t feel safe walking around sis. Doesn’t matter what you wear. Doesn’t matter if he watched porn that day or not. He’s going to violate you by staring. And there’s no one to blame for that but himself.

MonicaLSolis · 2020-09-15T01:00:35+00:00

Body dysmorphia

lifeinaperiodpiece · 2020-09-15T01:18:48+00:00

I would never claim that these women are “contributing to feminism” in any way, but I think it’s worth noting that the only true way to achieve gender equality is to place the same expectations on men (I think this is problematic though because I hate being objectified and would never want to put that on someone else). I once read a quote by a women’s studies professor who asserted that the only solution (that would actually mean equality) to women being forced to wear bras is to force men to wear them too. Our culture will always simultaneously objectify women but also punish them for embracing any kind of sexuality. Only when we place the same double standards on men can we regain any kind of control.

Even if women like this didn’t exist, men would still view us as objects. They would still treat us like shit. They would still abuse us and take advantage of us. The problem is a power imbalance.

While I don’t 100% support these women, I do see that they are attempting to take back power in some ways. The unfortunate antidote to this situation probably means more male sex workers. Maybe that would mean men would finally realize that sexualization does not equal objectification. Or maybe our society would become even more sick, who’s to say? But that scenario only really works when women have more power. I would rather see sex workers at least being less exploited and gaining more from their position than being marginalized by men for the very thing that men want them to do.

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2020-09-15T16:56:20+00:00

I see it from a trafficking and violence view point. They are willfully making porn and doing degrading things, making violence against women more mainstream/desensitized and fueling a desire for more and more porn. Almost all trafficking victims have porn made of them

2020-09-15T20:18:56+00:00

I didn't say culture comes from science. But science explains how culture works. But I dont think I need luck to understand how some norms become worse everyday though but thanks!

MistressSelkie · 2020-09-15T21:13:04+00:00

Men would do the things that you’re mentioning regardless of what women are doing. I don’t think that there is any issue with women looking however she wants for herself, men will sexualize her regardless of what she looks like, but IMO there is a weird dynamic that comes from women who promote physical modification to please men.

I’ve had so many guys try to use “bUt sOMe woMEn liKe IT” to try to push physical modifications or fetishes on me. I’ve had guys suggest that I bleach my hair and wear blue contacts. Guys send photos of Rihanna to me and say that I should get green contacts to look more ‘exotic’. Guys have casually suggested both minor or major cosmetic surgeries. Most of these men have been super into Instagram and followed adult models whose branding was that she loved changing herself for men. I think that even if they personally do love modifying themselves for men (as opposed to doing it for themselves) their choice of branding does impact other women. I don’t think that it changes who a man is as a person, but it gives some of them the confidence to be vocal.

As a positive, when they say things like that it’s a great way to know who to avoid, so in that way they are doing us a favor.