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[–]CrownWasterFDS Newbie179 points180 points181 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I was just talking to someone about this. I’ve been feeling a bit crummy because I’m not a hook-up type of girl, which seems to mean my dating pool is limited. One of my guy friends told me that I need to have hook-ups in order to have a relationship. I felt awful for a bit, but realize that I’m not going to change my stance to keep the wrong kind of guy interested. No woman should have to have sex to keep a guy’s interest, or to land a man.
[–]RedditRabbittFDS Newbie99 points100 points101 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m not either! I met my husband on vacation and never had sex with him even though I slept in his bed every night. We literally just cuddled and kissed for 10 days straight like we were 17 or something. He was a handsome Australian poker player traveling the world.. and I was a single mom living with my parents and buttering bagels for a living 😂 if I didn’t have to change my standards then no one does.
[–]herp_derp_hagFDS Newbie17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if I didn’t have to change my standards then no one does
I love this!
[–]Eleonora0FDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love this so much!
[–]gulder17FDS Newbie45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
THIS — stay strong girl. Giving into shitty men and having sex with them only fucks you up and takes you FURTHER from a relationship that you deserve
[–]just_takin_the_dFDS Apprentice26 points27 points28 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whenever I have given into the 3 date rule in the past, it's blown up in my face. It doesn't "keep them interested" - it has the opposite effect. Men say they want one thing but don't rrally know what they want.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No you don’t, he’s just preying on you or trying to make it easy for the next guy. Never had to have sex for relationship, ever!
[–]genben55FDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wait really? It used to be the opposite lmao
[–]hilariouslystatedFDS Newbie513 points514 points515 points 3 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Men try to spin every situation into one where they can get sex from women but then they get mad when a woman has a body count higher than 0.
[–]buttofdogFDS Newbie251 points252 points253 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Haha, yeah they want a woman with a body count equal to 0 but also shame ones who never had a boyfriend as "there must be something wrong with her".
[–]sofiacarolinaFDS Newbie118 points119 points120 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
and even if your body count is low they'll still find a way to spin it and put you down..example: my abusive ex was the second guy i'd ever slept with. He told me I was loose in comparison to his ex who had been with more men despite me only having been with two guys because I had been with my first boyfriend for 7 years, so I had had way more consistent sex like someone with a higher body count. LMFAO. If a guy told me that now I'd laugh at them for not knowing how vaginas work, but back then it made me feel like absolute shit about myself.
[–]buttofdogFDS Newbie67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
These idiots will make up the dumbest shit to put woman down. He probably just felt insecure and tried to project this onto you instead. Sorry you had to hear this bullshit and I'm glad that you're aware that's untrue. Must have hurt in past however, I bet.
[–]sofiacarolinaFDS Newbie41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
he was a textbook narcissist, so yeah extremely insecure and had to constantly compensate. I wish I'd defended myself but at least I was the one to end things when the physical abuse really escalated. Ironically he had been with over 100 women and constantly bragged about it, bc of course that's seen as something to brag about and not at all disgusting /s. I remember he'd also brag about how his ex wouldnt be able to walk after they had sex lol never happened to me bruv. guess I have a monstrous gaping vagina or maybe your dick is average and you shouldn't be wanting to hurt the people you claim to love anyways. if a vagina feels tight it's because the person isnt turned on and youre doing a shitty job. UGH it makes me so mad I never said shit, so I can go on forever about it
[–]buttofdogFDS Newbie36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
how his ex wouldnt be able to walk after they had sex lol
HAHAHAHAH yes sure. How come the ones bragging the most are usually the worst lovers? And ye men with small/average dicks maybe want to hurt women so these can at least feel anything as they definitely don't feel their peepee during the sex.
Yeah, porn addicts watched too much scripted porn, where women say "don't push, I'm so tight, it hurts" or some other bullshit of this kind and want to apply it in real life. If he didn't jack off that much, he wouldn't consider any vagina "loose". Not a single vagina is as tight as hand grip, sorry duds.
[–]sofiacarolinaFDS Newbie29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
omg I didnt make the connection between the psychology of small/average dicks and hurting a woman to feel more secure about their size. I just assumed it was pornsickness but youre so right that it's both. What's fucked up is he didn't even ever do anything performance wise..he just laid there 'like a starfish' (the way men say women do lol the irony) while I did everything, basically servicing him.. And sometimes he'd even watch the TV behind my head. Def a power thing to show me I was insignificant. Literally the lowest low of my life. All I ever wanted to do was please him. One time I was going so hard in my attempt to impress him that I broke his bed and I'm 110 pounds. At least Im powerful lmfao
[–]buttofdogFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I laughed over the story, I'm sorry hahaha. And don't stress too much over it, we all went through pickmeisha phase, some did even worse shit to impress LVM :P All the best hun <3
[–]mygreaterdestinyFDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Omg my abusive ex told me this too. Jotting this down in my mind as an abuse tactic. Like sorry your dick is small ?? Don’t know what to tell you but there’s nothing wrong with MY body
[–]sofiacarolinaFDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, literally anything they say to put you down is an abuse tactic. They want to make you feel insecure so that you rely on them for validation and so that they can control you that way, making you think no one else would want you. it's deplorable. I'm glad you're out too <3
[–]mygreaterdestinyFDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s so sad because it works. It’s so infuriating how they stand there and lie to you to break you down and say things like ‘I love you’ or ‘I want the best for you’. How evil. Yes super glad for us! I hope they rot
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[–]DunRutherFDS Disciple6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you mind me asking what the surgery involved?
I’m not considering it at all, I’m just curious because my ex had ED from pornsickness and death grip and he also told me I was loose and wanted to pay for me to have the surgery. Glad I didn’t have it. I have a partner now who doesn’t watch porn and he has absolutely no problems with my vagina--actually the only problem he has is that every once in a while he finishes very quickly and is embarrassed. Honestly after being with my ex who could jackhammer for two hour straight and never finish, it feels pretty good to be with someone who occasionally finishes in only 30 seconds but never needs more than five minutes max (don’t worry, he makes sure I’m satisfied 🤣)
[–]sofiacarolinaFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
oh my god im so sorry what the fuck. Can you sue the doctor for damages or something!?!?
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[–]sofiacarolinaFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well a consequence of the surgery was not supposed to be pain with sex, so it sounds botched (unless they warned you of that possibility and you still agreed to it). :/ Maybe there's some physical therapy or something that could help...I cant believe this shit, I hope your ex rots
[–]MotherofJackalsPickmeisha™️194 points195 points196 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LVM want barely legal virgins who have the skills of professional sex workers.
[–]manisfestationqueenFDS Apprentice56 points57 points58 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Honestly I think they're just jealous. And I wish they knew a lot of those encounters where so lame!!! Maybe they think sex is better than what we get from our perspectives. It shows insecurity to me, jealous of someone I don't even remember that well. Also why you want to talk about other men? This is suppose to be about us 2 ...?
[–]EclecticBarbarellaFDS Disciple73 points74 points75 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most think any sex must be good sex, especially the ones who don’t have any of it. If the roles were reversed and women were orgasming reliably and leaving men unsatisfied, if men were the ones experiencing like three minutes of mild pleasure followed by soul crushing disappointment and the urge to throttle the 200 pounds of sweat collapsed on top of them, they’d be singing a different tune.
[–]EasymodelifeFDS Newbie53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They are jealous - not just of the men we've been with but of us because we can have sex any time we want. They can't stand the idea of being in a position to learn something from a more experienced female partner as opposed to being in a position to take advantage of her.
All the pseudo scientific "evolutionary" bullshit is just a cope. They're like little kids throwing a tantrum because other people are having fun when they're not. They're pathetic.
[–][deleted] 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. I was talking to my therapist about this in Friday. It's annoying as hell.
[–]ms_monquisFDS Disciple10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
More reason to NEVER answer that question. Try to get one of them to tell you what the “right” answer is. Here’s the secret: the “right” answer is less than whatever his is.
[–]thowawaywookieFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I never answer that question as it's just used to beat you over the head with, no matter what the number is.
[–]ThePurpleLamborghini[🍰] 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100th upvote!
[–]stroneer8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah totally
[–]Torir21065Throwaway Account102 points103 points104 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The whole idea of slut shaming is ridiculous. I read somewhere that men are called studs because it's hard to pull a lot women and women are called sluts because they can easily sleep with any man. But those people often forget women are pressured into doing things they don't necessarily want to do because they will be called prudes or raped. Not even to mention men encouraging women to get drunk. I heard so many horror stories even from married women who get it done and over with because they are expected to preform their wifely "duties" but yes balme the women
[–]PooPooMeeksFDS Newbie50 points51 points52 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I was one of those married women. My ex husband started cheating on me because I was on antidepressants(Prozac) and lost my sex drive. I didn’t want to have sex that much anymore. We agreed on once a week but i would cringe during the act. Eventually I told him I couldn’t handle weekly sex and as a result he got frustrated with me and started to loathe me and become super emotionally distant. For months he barely talked to me, didn’t want to do family activities and was extremely distant. For him, the marriage was based on sex, and he was done with me. Eventually I found out he was cheating, and i moved back home with my parents. We both agreed that wanted to work it out, but he had lied to me about his commitment and eventually discarded me and married his mistress, a MONTH after we got divorced. Supposedly this asshole became a born again Christian, and told a family friend that the reason he pushed the divorce on me so hard was because, in his words “I wanted to have sex” since his newfound Christianity allowed him to only have sex with a “wife.” I guess his new one is a sex machine then...
We have 50/50 custody of our 10 year old son, and i have to face my ex and his low class mistress wife every week for pickup. I drink all night every time i have to give my son to them. Its been 4 years since this happened and I will admit, It doesn’t hurt as much as it used to, but I still think about the train wreck and humiliation I’ve had to go through everyday, just because my ex put sex before having a life and family with me and our son. I hate him for it, and his low class wife for it, and probably always will. 😡
[–]Torir21065Throwaway Account21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I feel so sorry that you had to go through this and honestly I am lost for words. You didnt and still don't deserve this kind of treatment. You have done the right thing and respected yourself to a point you cut that parasite from your life. You should never feel owe anyone sex. It's horrible that you still need to be in touch with both of them but you should try and really take care of yourself now and not let that asshat ruin your life anymore.
[–]PooPooMeeksFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you so much for your kind words :)
[–]SoybeanApocalypseFDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It just shows how far they've managed to get things in their frame. Sex isn't a sport, so why does it matter in the first place who has it easier??? It doesn't, they're just jealous women have it easy because they don't understand/want to acknowledge the downsides.
[–]ayyymelees64 points65 points66 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I feel like almost every woman has been sexually pressured or assaulted in some way. Yet women are constantly scrutinized and judged for any sexual activity we have, regardless of whether we even consented or not. Its an awful world we live in. Men dont get that same scrutiny for bodycount at all which is bs
[–]2340000Ruthless Strategist2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My ex and I were both virgins when we met, but he still pressured me. He assaulted and sexually abused me, before we even had sex. So yes, you're right.
[–][deleted] 295 points296 points297 points 3 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
100%. My platonic childhood best friend who knew I wanted to wait until marriage (or at least an engagement) before sex got me so wasted I blacked out, then he took my virginity. To this day, he still (when he drinks too much) calls to ask me who I slept with before him because he can't accept what he did.
Haven't mustered the courage to date at all since then, but when I do, I'm not sure whether to call myself a virgin or not.
Fuck men for pressuring women into sex, and fuck men for shaming us about it afterwards.
[–]elementalviragoFDS Apprentice177 points178 points179 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
When people ask me what age I lost my virginity I always refer to when it was MY choice, when I willingly had sex for the first time.
Because the truth is that I don't know how old I was, I was a child and my timeline is so fucked from the ongoing abuse that I truly I don't know, and my brain is protecting me from knowing for a reason.
Virginity to me is not when someone took you for the first time, it's when you gave to someone else. I will not let some depraved male take that away from me after everything else he stole.
[–]degnan1214FDS Newbie60 points61 points62 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will not let some depraved male take that away from me after everything else he stole.
There's a special place in hell for people like that. I'm so sorry this happened to you.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it's when you gave to someone else
That's a beautiful way to think about it! And I'm so proud of you and happy for you that you've been able to maintain your autonomy.
[–]elementalviragoFDS Apprentice15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It has not been easy but we women are tough right?
That's the thing you know, a guy is like "I was hurt one time" and uses it to be a shit pile to everyone he meets. Many of us women have been through so much yet we don't seem to use it as an excuse to the extent that they do.
[–]lazysundayaesthetic6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You mean when you weren't raped? Those other times were rape.
[–]123psych123FDS Newbie104 points105 points106 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I am so sorry this happened to you 😞
[–][deleted] 122 points123 points124 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Thanks. But I'm pretty okay about it now. Going through that helped me realize that a lot of my "personality quirks" (pathological need to please, inability to establish boundaries, fear of being abandoned) were actually problems that I needed to work on. So now I'm working on them. Silver lining, etc etc.
In the immortal words of Miss Ariana Grande:
Been through some bad shit, I should be a sad bitch Who woulda thought it'd turn me to a savage?
Been through some bad shit, I should be a sad bitch
Who woulda thought it'd turn me to a savage?
[–]PooPooMeeksFDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes, what you described pretty much sums up you being codependent. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the book Codependent No More, but you should definitely check it out. Also there is a Reddit r/codependency. I belong to it and it’s a great support group. I’m so sorry this happened to you, and IF you’re finally ready to do so(because i know it sometimes takes time for us women to muster up courage), you need to block this creep that did this to you out of your life. God bless you dear. ❤️
[–]ghostnet_and_bonesFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
thank you for the new group.
[–]PooPooMeeksFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No problem, happy to share it :)
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thank you! I've already joined r/CPTSD, but r/Codependency is a new one. I'll definitely check it out and get the book. I already have 2 books on my shelf (on CPTSD and emotional eating) and I'm always looking to add to the stack!
[–]PooPooMeeksFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good for you! I'm really glad that you have already joined r/CPTSD, and I'm glad to have introduced you to r/Codependency! The book Codependent No More has a plethora of chapters and activities to help you get on the right path. I'm still reading it but I'm almost done and am looking forward to continue working on myself :) I have to look up emotional eating myself. Seems like I'm doing that moreso with the pandemic isolation going on. Take care!
[–]schuppclaudicatioFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Love your outlook on this!
Ohmigod, I’m so sorry too!
[–]EclecticBarbarellaFDS Disciple54 points55 points56 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you guys still friends? Why is he calling you to repeatedly bring up him raping you? This is not ok.
[–]isthisattractivetomeFDS Newbie77 points78 points79 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
He didn’t just take your virginity, that’s assault and certainly does not “count”. What a scum bag. I hope this haunts him forever.
[–]LurkForYourLivesFDS Newbie53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s not just assault though. It’s full on rape. I think we need to call it for what it is.
[–]isthisattractivetomeFDS Newbie20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree, I was hesitant to use that if the OP isn’t ready to label it as such. Sexual assault encompasses r*pe so I figured it was safe to use that umbrella.
[–]_boring_daven_FDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it only counts if it was consensual. You didn’t “have sex” you were raped.
From your other comment, it sounds like you’re doing better? I’m glad if that’s the case. :)
[–]ApollosBucket48 points49 points50 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So if you slept with someone before him that somehow makes it okay?
[–]Ms_TillyRuthless Strategist67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rapist logic
[–]degnan1214FDS Newbie20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure whether to call myself a virgin or not.
Being raped doesn't (can't) take your virginity away. Virginity must be given.
I'm so, so sorry for what happened to you. What an evil person he is.
[–]rwilkzFDS Newbie52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You can use the label or not, whatever feels right for you. But please bear in mind that virginity only became a notable quality once women’s chastity became profitable to men. I’m so sorry this happened to you and you should block that rapist cunts number. You don’t owe him the emotional labour of entertaining his feelings.
[–]mtvq20072 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. Virginity isn't a "thing" that you can have, not have, or have taken away from you. If it's helpful for you to think of yourself as a virgin or not do what works for you. In my life the concept and preoccupation with "virginity" has been terribly destructive. You are a whole worthy person regardless of whether or not you've had any form of sex or experienced any sort of sexual violence.
[–]PanItWitMeFDS Newbie73 points74 points75 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re 100% still a virgin.
[–]hotdimsum10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that's r**e. it doesn't/never count.
[–]mermaid-babeFDS Newbie41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Virginity is a social construct, and in order to “lose” it you have to chose to
[–]rrrrrrrrrreallyFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please block him sis
For your own sake
[–]cronaldoisarapist5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It seems like both of you don’t understand that what you described was rape - a crime that he should go to jail for committing. Certainly fucked up that he still calls you about it, the disgusting act of harm he inflicted on you. He deserves to have every single person in his life know he’s a RAPIST. Someone that would actually cross that line and HURT someone physically against their will just for their own pleasure. Fucking vile.
I sincerely and completely with all my heart hope that he gets a flesh eating bacteria in his dick so that it very slowly and painfully ROTS until he has to get the whole area scraped away and he’s left with a rotten hole that refuses to close properly and repeatedly gets infected, smelling like death and he can never find companionship of any form ever again :(
[–]hatshepsut__4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wtf... I’m so sorry that happened to you. That guy is a POS
[–]azngirl7689At-Risk Pick Me Youth45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They’d just blame the woman for being alone with them...no attempt at self analysis.
[–]InayahDaneenFDS Newbie49 points50 points51 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve read cases of men killing women who simply reject them. A woman’s life is in constant danger around every man because men can easily dominate a woman by physical strength unless she’s trained in martial arts.
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[–]buttofdogFDS Newbie81 points82 points83 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What the hell with men pushing hands into your pants when making out? When I slapped one's face for doing it, he pushed me!!! And told me that he doesn't care if I'm a woman, he won't let anyone abuse him. When I told him that he's crazy for not noticing that he was the first one to abuse me, he answered that I had "wh0r3* vibes" and thought I wanted it. Like WHAT THE FUCK. I felt so humiliated then and it stuck with me for so long. This sub is helping me so much regaining my self-confidence that men tried to destroy, so that I'm "easier".
LVM love women with low-esteem, they can manipulate them freely and coerce into sex just to ghost afterwards.
EDIT: * - needed to change the word because FDS bot filters automatically comments with this word... I'm not referring to any woman however, just quoting how LVM called me.
[–]sashimi_girlFDS Newbie32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That is truly disgusting. And he asked to borrow your car! My jaw dropped
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[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I feel like you’re talking about most of the boys I grew up with. Do you live in New England? The audacity is strong up here.
[–]Phoenix__Rising2018Ruthless Strategist354 points355 points356 points 3 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
Men rape a lot of women by getting them into situations where they are threatening and intimidating the woman into sex. There are men everywhere trying to anally rape women so the woman decides to have vaginal sex with him to avoid anal rape. That's not consent. Men do the same thing with vaginal sex and oral sex. I have been in quite a few positions where the man made it clear that he was perfectly fine using force to rape me if I didn't give in. That's still rape.
For any girl out there wondering, you don't have to count any guy that pressured you into sex as part of your "number". And don't ever let men mess with you based on your "number". They don't deserve any information, you don't owe them any information and it doesn't have any bearing on your humanity. They just use "number" to justify abusing women.
And for a bit of levity, I decided to only count men that gave me an orgasm in my "number". I told that to a nasty little scrote that was bothering me and my friends at a bar once. I told him it doesn't even count as sex if the woman doesn't orgasm. All the other women agreed. You could tell he's probably never given a woman an orgasm. The guy got so infuriated. It was hilarious! Bye, scrote! 👋
[–]jpa96Pickmeisha™️181 points182 points183 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You only count guys that made you orgasm into your number? Damn I’m a virgin now!
[–]Ms_TillyRuthless Strategist52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can't even give men credit for my orgasms. I do all the mental and physical labor to make it happen and it will only happen if I actually care about the dude. Hmmm
[–]QuodpotFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same. The only way a partner can actually finish me off is if I'm already like 90% of the way there because of the headspace I'm in. Has never happened with anyone I wasn't really into on an emotional level (though some of the time, I have been able to get there with hookups who I've been really attracted to and had really deep and meaningful conversation with)
[–]MotherofJackalsPickmeisha™️67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I actually knew a woman who had 3 children before she had her first orgasim. To his credit once her husband understood the issue he made the changes to make it enjoyable for everyone.
[–]TERFSareawesomeFDS Apprentice50 points51 points52 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
OMG though- he had sex with her enough times to give her three kids and never gave her an orgasm? He had to know, on some level. Imagine being with your boyfriend and he literally never orgasms but you still badger him into constant sex. How could you even be turned on, at that point? OMG, these men are so selfish
[–]MotherofJackalsPickmeisha™️41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
She came from a very very conservative Christian background where there was zero talk about sex. She got into our friend group..Christian women who actually enjoyed sex and learned a few things. I think her husband assumed because she didn't complain she was happy...and she was in a sense because she didn't understand how enjoyable sex could be. She honestly thought of it as a means to an end just like having a bunch of dishes to wash if you want to make a big meal at home.
The subject actually came up accidentally sort of. One of our friends was talking about finding different positions for sex because she noticed after having a baby things "shifted " We were all talking about having sex while pregnant, first time after giving birth, while nursing...ect ect. It dawned on her that we were all having and enjoying sex without the intention of getting pregnant. Her husband just thought she had a low sex drive and she thought only sinful, promiscuous women enjoyed sex.
It was actually an interesting conversation about how easily you csn find porn but how hard it is to find information about real sexual issues couples face. We talked as a group about the shame of sex particularly when religion is involved. Some of us who considered ourselves open minded actually learned from her how we could be unintentionally sending the wrong messages to our kids with how we don't address certain topics.
[–]TERFSareawesomeFDS Apprentice15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But see this is just mind blowing to me. Even if he thought she had a "low sex drive" he was still having sex with her enough to get her pregnant three times?? If I thought a man I was dating had a "low sex drive" I wouldn't just continue having sex with him anyway, asking him to have sex regardless of his desire for it. Like I guess the equivalent would be having a man eat you out and then going to sleep right after, and he never actually gets off. It just seems crazy and so selfish to me. Unless we're thinking of women as aliens who have a completely different physiology to men then of course women are capable of orgasms! I just cant understand how ANYONE could truly think women never orgasming but still having sex is normal. Something is so, so off, and deeply dysfunctional in that scenario. And tbh no matter how sheltered someone is I cant believe they didnt realize that women can have orgasms- any man having regular sex with a woman who never orgasms knows what's going on, they just dont care so long as they still get THEIR orgasm, and THEY get off, and the lack of orgasm doesnt translate into the woman saying "okay, no more sex"
[–]MotherofJackalsPickmeisha™️13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh I get it. She was a friend who really bought into the idea that "good" women don't like sex. I didn't ask for details but it just came out in our conversation that she and her husband just never talked about sex. She gave in to sex when she wasn't trying for a baby and felt ashamed. I'm not sure why her husband didn't notice or care but her change in attitude after they talked and some of the comments she made seemed like they worked it out and he actually made an effort once he understood what was wrong. I felt like it was more of a situation of no communication than him truly being a jerk.
[–]TERFSareawesomeFDS Apprentice22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am truly not trying to be a harpy or a mean killjoy, and i'm glad they talked and worked it out, but I honestly feel like the bar is so damn low for men. Like "She gave in to sex when she wasn't trying for a baby and felt ashamed"- this does not sound, in any way, like a positive sexual situation whatsoever. If a man didn't want to have sex with me for literally any reason whatsoever, I wouldn't pressure him into having it. I dont even think I could get off, knowing the person wasn't getting pleasure from it/ didnt want it. It's so rapey. the whole "i know you dont want to have sex but I really want to so pleaseeeeee pleasee pleasee have sex with me anyway" thing is just so rapey. I am not directing my criticism at you in particular more at a culture that portrays this dynamic as being normal. it's exactly this dynamic, where female sexual reluctance/non enjoyment is normalized, that allows women to reach their mid 40s or whatever and still have never had an orgasm. That's why I push back against it, cause IMO, men having sex with women that dont enjoy it, for whatever reason, is rapey and does classify him as being a jerk. It really doesnt take much to get most women to orgasm. In the freaking middle ages in Europe they believed women had to orgasm to get pregnant, so this whole "I didn't know women could orgasm/I didn't know she wouldn't enjoy it" schtick just seems like a big old lie to me. If they could figure it out in the 1400s, men can figure out how to stimulate the clit in 2020!
[–]jelilikinsFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I think these things are very case-by-case. I think I had my first orgasm at about...25? I had a 4.5-year relationship before that where I never came, but I wouldn't blame my boyfriend at all - he was actually very very patient and giving. I think it was largely some mental block at my end. Once I asked him if he had any sexual fantasies and he said giving me an orgasm :'(
[–]annanorwichFDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too!
[–]verusckaFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I told him it doesn't even count as sex if the woman doesn't orgasm.
I LOVE THIS CONCEPT
[–]iforgothowtohuman21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hahaha I had this conversation just last week! So glad I'm not the only one flipping the script on these guys.
[–]glowinupThrowaway Account8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow, he could go 2 years without giving a woman an orgasm?? Lmao thanks for the warning dude!
[–]bipolar-chanFDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m using that, thanks
[–]VillanellohFDS Newbie34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm using that definition in future!
[–]LookatthatsassFDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess by this logic my number just halved. Most of my earlier experiences were attained through coercion/intimidation/rape. Ugh.
[–]AyemHerselfRuthless Strategist134 points135 points136 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are men who do whatever they can to pressure women and then turn around and say "she had freedom of choice" to make sure she faces all consequences.
[–]deathfromabovekittyFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My last scrote cheated on me and I stupidly tried to forgive him.. he was annoyed that I wasn't as into sex anymore.
Excuse me for lacking enthusiastiasm for a man whore. My vibrator does better anyway!
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This hits home so much. I look back on my past and had this happen more times than I would have ever liked and really sad that this happens to any women at all.
[–]RedditRabbittFDS Newbie24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Always remember! You don’t have to sleep with a man for any reason. I met my husband on vacation in Mexico and went back to his place 10 days in a row and spent the night. He would take me on dates, buy me dinners, and spend days at the beach with me. We never had sex. I wasn’t ready. Guess who came to shitty South Carolina during his world travels bc I left him wanting more ;) He was a gentlemen the entire time and never asked for more than I was ready for. Don’t ever think you have to have sex with someone because you’ve been dating “too long” or he buys you nice things and takes you places. You don’t.
[–]giftofnocondemnationFDS Apprentice23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Men are jealous that we can get sex all day every day if we choose. They don't have this option. I've heard men say "if I was a woman I'd be a whore". They are jealous because deep down they absolutely would fuck a different woman every day if they could. They can't, so they hate us because we can do that. We don't do that because we don't think like men. We want love, honor, commitment.
[–]sweatydeath8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This 💯
[–]Lemmiwinkidinks4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My favorite saying is “Women fuck whomever they want, men fuck whomever they can”
[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
TBH I haven’t had a conversation about count in more than a decade, and at that time it was with my 20 something year old girl friends. I didn’t think anyone even thought about that after the age of 30.
[–]MotherofJackalsPickmeisha™️25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Only two men were ever really concerned about my "count" one was deeply insecure who was obsessed with how he compared demanded details, then got angry about it. The second asked for everything I was willing to share at my pace to understand my life better and he shared just as much about himself.
[–]Unlikely-MarzipanRuthless Strategist94 points95 points96 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yep yep yep. I’ve had this happen before. When men are so much bigger, you can literally be scared into just doing it and getting it over with, to save the possibility of them getting angry.
[–]SpiritualPlan5FDS Newbie61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I have (in my youth) agreed simply because I knew I could get TF outta there in 15 minutes or so if I do, rather than deal with an hour of him whining & trying to negotiate while borderline aggressively trying to keep me from leaving.
[–]readingonthebusFDS Newbie52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I once told a group of guy friends that each and everyone of them have had sex with women who didn't want to have sex but just did it to get it over with and to stop them from negotiating. In those situations, it's not a clear and enthusiastic consent.
They were not happy with me for months.
[–]Unlikely-MarzipanRuthless Strategist23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Their egos were bruised huh.
[–]MotherofJackalsPickmeisha™️27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did that a few times. I can give you 10 minutes...mentally check out and I'll never have to deal with you again.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This reminds me of the implication in Its Always Sunny.
[–]Incredible_AlligatorFDS Newbie14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sooooo this. I literally didn't know I could tell a man who liked me (who I didn't like back) no when I was younger. I didn't want to seem like a "prude". And I didn't want to "hurt their feelings" 🙄
I definitely have some regrets. Turns out I am a "prude" and fucking proud to be one. But no one ever taught me I could say no. I was taught to always be "nice" to men. What a load of shit.
[–]thinkpinkhairPickmeisha™️14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can agree to this. A lot of time I didn’t want to say no because he was “a good kisser” or “good back rubber” or “it was a good date.” I’m sure if I didn’t sleep with half the guys because it was a good date then I would have been a lot better off.
[–]hotchisbaeFDS Newbie43 points44 points45 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This 100%. I unfortunately have a high body count for this very fucking reason. If I were to only count the guys I actually WANTED to sleep with, the number would fit on one hand. There's nothing wrong with a high body count - if you want that, but most of my sexual encounters were Either forced, coerced, or I was just too scared to say no.
[–]PooPooMeeksFDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m so sorry you had to go through that.
[–]hotchisbaeFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks. I never fully realized how many of my encounters weren't really consensual until years after, but I'm with someone now who always makes sure I'm 100% in the mood and wants it 100%
That's wonderful to hear. I'm glad of your present awareness and present relationship! Good luck! :)
[–]meanemadFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you dont owe explanations to any man, or anybody about this❤❤
[–]hotchisbaeFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thankfully the guy that I'm with now doesn't care at all about body count, all he cares about is that he's the only guy I'm sleeping with - which of course he is
[–]cinnamoroll1812 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The general public ain’t ready for this shit, but it HAD TO BE SAID <3
[–]AsbelowsoabovemeFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This! So much this! Guarantee they’ll still find a way to blame women for being too agreeable instead of blaming predatory men
[–]FlatConsideration8FDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For that reason I have two body counts.. one that was consensual and the other was from this situation exactly, soft core rape if you ask me.
[–]paperbagskirtFDS Apprentice25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ooohhhh isn’t this the truth.
[–]Bug_HuggerFDS Newbie29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's about time this conversation was had. Glad someone said it at last.
[–]huna-lildahk15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t ask, don’t tell. I learned after the first 3 boyfriends to not disclose that information. They’re only asking to have a reason to be mad.
[–]FastMushroom86 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If this ain't the truth
[–]shakethat_milkshakeKINKmeisha™️ on parole4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if i am ever asked a "body count" the conversation is over. first of all, "body count" sounds like you fucking murder people. second, the same insecure men that size up a woman's sexual history expect women to do in bed what they see on highly experienced porn stars do on pornhub.
[–]0kfornowFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Low value men degrade women however they possibly can. This is just one example.
[–]TheFussyMillennialThrowaway Account5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And!!! For some reason they have this narrative that if someone has a certain number of body counts; that person is no longer valuable. I’m not sure where they were taught that
Probably by their parents
[–]Mayonegg420FDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I “lost” my virginity this way at 18. I feel for that girl.
[–]VioletRomanticFDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've really stopped going out because of this. I got so tired of men forcing me to say yes immediately that I have really given up. Im embarrassed about the number of people I've slept with, even though I didn't want to have sex with like 80% of them. I feel like at this point the only people I deserve are Nvm who are just going to see me as a sex object anyway because thats what I've let myself be turned into, and so my only option is to just be alone. 💔
[–]Lemmiwinkidinks3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
hugs sweetheart, you are valuable. Whether you’ve had sex w no men or you’ve been to bed with 1000 men, you are still the same person who is valuable and worthy of love and kindness. You deserve no less than any woman your age. If anyone were to ever ask you your number, you are within your rights as a human being to say “I don’t discuss numbers. What’s the point? That’s all in the past.” I used to think I was “worthy” bc me. Would pay attention to me. Then I felt “disgusting” bc I’d allowed them to touch me or fuck me. Now? Now I feel powerful bc my body belongs to me and no one else. My husband and I have an open marriage now and he knows I’ve had numerous partners, but he doesn’t give a shit. It doesn’t diminish my value in any way, shape, or form. hugs
[–]sashimi_girlFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Somebody tell Devyn she’s SMART as hell
[–]liz2eFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
wig :/
[–]hotdimsum2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
btw do anyone had overbearing parents growing up?
i think this was part of the reason it was so hard for me to say NO when i was much younger. i wasn't allowed to make any decisions at home, including what to eat. so i just got used to decisions being made for me. i never even thought that i was allowed a choice for a long time.
[–]superlittlestitousFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This! I was seeing a guy and one night things got heated and I told him I wasn't sure I wanted to go any further right now. The whole night he would randomly start making out with me in a very sexual manner and sighing when I would pull away from him. At one point we had fallen asleep and I got up to use the bathroom, when I laid back down I kissed him on cheek which he took that as a sign of me starting things. Finally he started to pull my shorts down and at that point I was exhausted and felt so pressured to move forward with him that I allowed it to progress. Still makes me mad to think about it.
[–]dntbfllikeididPickmeisha™️2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Guilty as charged 😐
[–]ladyluck71 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well I was not expecting to get called out on Reddit today...
[–]MannyTheReaper1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ive never heard the term body count used in this way before and thought it meant people that the person has killed
[–]MightyJoeTYoung0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I came across this post from the popular page, but I just wanted to say that I definitely thought this was about murder at first.
[–]lazysundayaesthetic1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand why you would add the times you were literally sexually assaulted to a "body count"
Taking away the fact that body count is a trashy term, why would you bother to count those
[–]sireninchains1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dang. First time a meme made me cry before.
[–]Itscameronman1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We need to say no. And when that doesn’t work I carry a knife. We’re fighting.
[–]Ms_SnicketFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah my toxic relationship with my ex led to fringe sexual things that I wouldn't do or necessarily offer in another relationship. Not because it was "special" or another dude wouldn't be "worthy" but because I don't really like it and only put up with it then out of pressure to "be more normal".
[–]SanguineCynic1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Powerful truth right here.
[–]Woahmary1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or they say no and get shamed/bullied into it anyway 🥴 or catch you while drinking etc
[–]letmeseeutootsieroll1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow is that the relatable.
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[–]Ms_TillyRuthless Strategist8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I found the rapist piece of 💩. According to him, you have to physically use the word NO or they aren't accountable.
[–]hotdimsum6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
According to him, you have to physically use the word NO or they aren't accountable.
as if that even stops them.😑
[–]ManchurianCantaloupeRuthless Strategist4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As if he'd take no for an answer, either 🙄
[–]sweatydeath2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
🤢🤮
[–]Ermernder0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My last boyfriend was pretty awful about this.. he used the “lock and key” analogy on me. The man I’m now is awesome. We’ve been together 5 years and he’s never asked me about my number, never even brought the subject up.
[–]JaneIsaPainFDS Newbie0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ouch.
[–]Karmaflax0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those scrotes are never ready when it comes to taking responsibility
[–]Sakaesashimi0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have learnt not to date men who says “I’m not a man if I don’t try (to push your boundaries)”.
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