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[–]HappypengyFDS Newbie101 points102 points103 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This picture reminds me of something.
My mom was really tough. I mean tough as nails. She left India and emigrated 7000 miles away, by herself, for a better life. She was cool! She lived in NYC with her nursing friends. Owned a beetle. Did cool things. But she couldn't escape the arranged marriage and in 1975 went back and married a LVM, lesser educated, no ambition, no career aspirations.
What got me though was when I grew up....she still wanted me to have an arranged marriage! Just like this picture! I rebelled and moved out at 20...because watching her I knew she was miserable. But also the boss.
I didnt understand why I had to make the same mistakes as her. Still dont. She threw off so much of her traditions but couldn't get rid of this one.
[–]Inspection-CriticalFDS Apprentice67 points68 points69 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Internalized misogyny and cultural indoctrination are tough to beat.
I come from a very patriarchal culture. My grandmother started harassing me to get married as soon as I turned 18. This was in the 2000s, so we're not talking the dark ages. She never asked how college was going except to ask if I'd met a man yet. To her dying day, she was "worried about me" because I hadn't found one. The truth was, I found a lot of men but never progressed with any of them because they were horrible. Thank God I never married any of those boyfriends.
Meanwhile, Grandma was married twice to losers who sucked the life out of her and put her in the poorhouse. After that, she had affairs with married men.
The cognitive dissonance was mind-boggling. Men only made my grandmother's life worse but she couldn't see that. She didn't even have hobbies or friends. I had a degree and a career and was happy but from her point of view, something was wrong.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. I could have written your post.
They dealt with the trauma of being crushed by believing that’s how it’s ‘supposed to be’ and attempting to shape you to that. I’m so glad you had other plans.
[–][deleted] 60 points61 points62 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Say it louder for the people in the back!! My mother is shocked how often I push back on fiancé about big and little stuff.
[–]ShefthegooddogFDS Newbie20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]misszazieFDS Newbie40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah. Nobody with cancer is walking around all high and mighty like, a good woman learns to love their tumor.
Now the Dr is like, we don't know if it's benign or.... Cut it off doc.
[–]tawnygrisetteFDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great analogy
[–]Soso3213FDS Newbie42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It would be great to have an FDS specifically for the desi culture or arranged marriages. Seeing enabling mothers would be a red flag.
[–]fibonacci_veritasPickmeisha™️13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My mum and I talk about this. She just went along with some stuff. My dad was a great guy, but a total doof about some things. She's very clear with me about what she should have made more clear to him.
It has really helped me encourage the HVM traits in my partner and to automatically shut down any inkling of LVM. Because no person is all high or low value. I think we all have our crap moments. We are much better at communicating, now.
[–]DingdongIhavewonThrowaway Account9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My Indian mother actually tried to get me married at 25 to this random guy I never met. It was an arranged marriage. She said something like you will hopefully get a good guy who will treat you well. Thankfully I never talked to her again after that incident.
[–]eatchickpeasFDS Newbie13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i get what this is trying to convey but i dont know. we criticize the older women who endured the sexist patriarchy and not the men who designed it in the first place? older women do pressure younger women to be more silent/pliable with LVM men because its what they are used to. the men behind all the double standards we endure are invisible, never around but ever present
nowadays if you told the average western woman to endure an abusive marriage and not go to college, you'd be yelled at. we have to thank the older women, those who pushed for the change we can see now. my mum was discouraged from marrying someone she wanted to, to learn how to drive and go to college but she did all of that and ignored everyone who said she shouldnt
she still also tells me that 'divorced women are nasty whores', that my skin is too dark for a 'man to find respectable in asian society' and that i should get married before i turn 30 because 'you are a woman and its just what we do'. internalized misogyny doesnt just disappear unfortunately. there were plenty of women from my mums generation who stood up to defend themselves but they were drowned out by male voices. everywhere but invisible when you need to see it
[–]XlunasFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't like the "They pressure you because they don't know men ruined their lives." approach. I'm sure many of you don't want to accept this but, they know. Older women know they lived an awful life. We always remind each other of how men aren't stupid and they just don't care in this sub, but women aren't stupid too. They want you to choose the same path so their life makes sense. It is selfish and horrible. Don't fall for it.
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