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[–]cnemidophorusFDS Newbie 115 points116 points117 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Also, If the woman was raped then she’d like still have to prove it and we all know how well that goes inside of the patriarchy.
[–]eatchickpeasFDS Newbie 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
its another way for men to devalue women's humanity. they pull out all the excuses
[–]all_or_nothing_betFDS Apprentice 318 points319 points320 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wow. I didn't even think about it in this light even though I have always been pro-choice. This is a whole different and very powerful point.
[–]spinsterchachkiesFDS Disciple 70 points71 points72 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah same here
[–]thicctoriaFDS Newbie 16 points17 points18 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I was raised in a very religious household and it makes me want to vom in my mouth when I think about the kind of bullshit I used spread back then. Thankfully I wised up but also I went through pregnancy and labour and I will never EVER respect someone who feels like they have the right to force another woman through it. For me it was a planned pregnancy that I felt positive about and yet still it it was one of the hardest things I have ever done emotionally and physically. Oh, and then there’s the whole almost dying part.
Meanwhile you have places around the world that are straight up just saying they hate women. In Poland you used to be able to get an abortion in the case of rape, danger to mothers life or fetal abnormalities. As of I think this year or last year you can no longer get an abortion on the grounds of fetal abnormalities (something like 98%+ of abortions in Poland) so women right now are being forced to give birth to stillbirth babies who never had the chance to survive in the first place and babies with severe disabilities that they may not be able to care for. Imagine being told at 12 weeks that your baby has a chromosomal abnormality and it’s certain they won’t survive but you still have to go through 9 months of pregnancy and pains of full labour, only to watch them struggle and die 20-30 minutes after birth. These people are so demented that they don’t see how an abortion, which is painless to the fetus, is the ethical option here for both the mother and the fetus.
But of course, there’s already talks about banning it in case of rape too. And the only reason it won’t get banned in the event of danger to mothers life is because who would then incubate all these fetuses, right?
[–]terrn1981FDS Newbie 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let me guess, it was MEN who decided this...
[–]pickmieshaexorcistFDS Disciple 311 points312 points313 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
People who only support abortion in cases of rape and incest are showing their hand that they believe pregnancy is a just punishment for “sl*tty” women.
While I don’t agree, believing abortion is always murder, no matter what, is a logically consistent belief. But if you “allow” women abortions in situations you deem allowable, then you don’t think abortion is murder. If abortion isn’t murder, then....why are you against a woman choosing to get one that has nothing to do with you? 🤔
[–]Big-Respond8481FDS Newbie 61 points62 points63 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or they mean murder can sometimes be excusable.
[–]ms_monquisFDS Disciple 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is where the idea(l)s clash in my mind, too. If you think it's murder, if you think a fetus has a soul and you're trying to save it, the only position to take is that it's never acceptable ever. Like you said, that's not where I am, but I can at least ... respect? someone who is consistent in that. The "except in cases of..." types are showing their hands.
[–]pickmieshaexorcistFDS Disciple 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly. I’ve got a catholic cousin who thinks it’s never acceptable, because to her it’s murder, end of story. Obviously I vehemently disagree but at least she’s consistent. She also votes Dem a lot of the time (pro social programs) because unlike “punish the sl*t” conservatives, she does actually care about the mom and baby’s quality of life after the birth. Like you said, I can at least respect that.
[–]ScrotonimoStiltonFDS Apprentice 73 points74 points75 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The Abortion is murder folk consistently contradict themselves.
I've never heard a nuanced argument from these people, only what you said: pregnancy as punishment for whores.
When men start wars for futile reasons all the time, and millions of innocent, concious people die, but all the energy is spent on shouting at women who want to have ownership of their bodies...
[–]kangaskhaniscubonesFDS Newbie 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Excellent point.
[–]daisy_0720FDS Disciple 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, what they're essentially saying is "If it was sex you didn't want or enjoy, then you're allowed an abortion. However, if you consented to - and worse - enjoyed the sex, then you're a filthy, knocked-up slut who deserves to be punished."
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[–]MixWideFDS Newbie 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So what if I get my wife pregnant can I punch her in the stomach til it aborts and she consented to it so should I punch or throw down a flight of stairs to save money.
Never fails.
Women: We are fully human persons and deserve to be recognized as such under the law.
Men: this means i can hit women, yes? i hit.
[–]TellCerseeItWasMeFDS Newbie 186 points187 points188 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
They don't think we have a right to our body ever
They're pro-birth, not pro-life
[–]cmny062000FDS Newbie 155 points156 points157 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Pro-control is really all it is.
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[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This^ It's all about the "reproductive labour". It's deemed important only when it supplies the ranks of patriarchy.
Make more babies, dammit to supply the army forces or to have little brainwashed consumers for your big pharma.
What? You decided to be Earth-conscious and get in control of your reproductive capacities? Noooo, patriarchy can't have that. Think of how many babies are needed to replenish the guinea pig ranks! Woman must give biiiirth so we ensure the survival of patriarchy/s
F*** that shit
[–]TellCerseeItWasMeFDS Newbie 24 points25 points26 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To the illiterate fck who always makes it into my replies, no you cannot punch a woman in the stomach to abort the child
[–]Lovely-CloudsFDS Newbie 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, and there's also a significant overlap with people who are anti-contraceptives. I wish these people would get their head out of their dogma and see how their regressive policies are impacting entire communities. Like the high teenage pregnancy rates in Bible belt states.
[–]ennu_i_saoFDS Newbie 124 points125 points126 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I was pro-choice but pro-life personally but after seeing Gabrielle Blair’s twitter thread on how pregnancy is 100% a man’s fault, I’m way more comfortable being choice now. Reading the book Zikora, where the main character is giving birth and at one point thinking back on an abortion she had also reinforced this point to me. Whatever soul you may think babies may or may not have, I really don’t think it would be present until you gave birth, especially with treatments we have nowadays like IVF or how humans lose more pregnancies than we know earlier than we know. Sometimes the smartest thing a woman can do to get away from messing up her life or the life of her future progeny is to terminate a pregnancy
[–]SoftritoFDS Apprentice[S] 101 points102 points103 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
My schtick is that usually these people that are prolife are also against homosexuality and think it is unnatural. Well too bad for them homosexuality and terminating a pregnancy is natural because they occur in nature. If they are so against unnatural they should stop driving cars and eating foods that are processed.
[–]the-lonely-spiritFDS Newbie 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve been listening to George Carlin again lately and he made that same point. “Who’s having fewer abortions than homosexuals!! Leave these people alone!” And “you’d think they’d make natural allies!” I don’t get it either!
[–]radsera99FDS Newbie 146 points147 points148 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The woman’s life always matters more. And that’s why pro lifers are misogynists. They see female lives as replaceable, irrelevant, unimportant. There is no morality in ‘saving’ a fetus over a woman. It just proves how little female life is valued in society.
Right! Women are just incubators to them. And those hypocritical male fucks are always the ones who object to their taxes going to welfare payments for poor women with lots of children that they didn't want.
[–]Newwavesupport3657FDS Newbie 63 points64 points65 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to make stickers if this and put it outside the Mormon church. Fuck them. (Ex Mormon.) this is what they taught. Woman hate.
[–]MotherofvampiresFDS Newbie 58 points59 points60 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its a logical inconsistency to be against abortion but think is ok after a rape. Either you believe the foetus is a person or you don't.
People who hold the view that abortion is only ok after rape are misogynists. Possibly even more so than those who are against it under all circumstances.
[–]MixWideFDS Newbie 47 points48 points49 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Either you believe the foetus is a person or you don't.
Correction: either you believe the woman is a person or you don't.
No person has the right to demand use of my organs without my permission. No person can so much as use my blood for a transfusion if I don't consent. Not even my own (born) children.
Even if I'm a convicted murderer on death row, no other person is allowed to use my body or harvest my tissues unless I agree. Even if I'm dead, nobody is allowed to use my body parts if I didn't specifically give the okay.
Whether or not the fetus is a person is beside the point. No other persons have the right to use someone else's body without consent.
Abortion debates are about whether women are people.
[–]MotherofvampiresFDS Newbie 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are correct, but that isn't the logical inconsistency the "abortion should be banned except rape" people are having. They already don't believe in a woman's bodily autonomy and are consistent in that, because they think others should be able to police what the woman does with her body and she has to be "allowed" to do with her body as she sees fit.
Slightly off topic, but I'm in the UK and we don't have bodily autonomy here after death.
[–]kerean1997FDS Newbie 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh my lord this is so eye opening. I've never even considered that, even though I was always pro choice
[–]ewoksareprettycoolFDS Newbie 34 points35 points36 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We need to have protests on keeping abortion legal nationwide. If we don’t cause a national uproar about what we want, women will die trying to get an illegal and unsafe abortion just like we did before Roe V. Wade. This is so sad.
[–]kangaskhaniscubonesFDS Newbie 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I hate people who are anti-abortion. Such hypocrites. Men don't have to go through the horrors of pregnancy and therefore MORALLY cannot force a woman to. I hate that it's still an issue in our society. I hate that WOMEN fight to have abortion rights taken away from their fellow sisters. That side is all morons.
[–]terrn1981FDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I read an interesting article written by a doc who performs abortions at a women's health clinic. Many women who Picketted outside, came in themselves for abortions. Do as I say,.not as I do. Proof it's just about virtu-signalling.
[–]dutchie19FDS Newbie 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ugh that's a hard truth right there -
[–]msromperstomperFDS Apprentice 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is really good. I hope people in the U.S. are gearing up for a fight now that the Supreme Court has agreed to hear a case on abortion. The time to mobilize is NOW.
[–]fg_hjFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fetusses are violating women’s body if they are using it against her will. That itself is a violation, and a very extreme one at that.
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[–]Reporter_ComplexFDS Newbie 19 points20 points21 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can be pro life, and also fight for women to have the choice.
To have the choice and to choose no, still relies on the choice - that choice that so many women globally are fighting to have.
Pro choice =/= pro abortion
[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 36 points37 points38 points 2 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Fetuses depend 100% on the woman. There is no way it can survive as far as technology reached without a woman. So fetus =/= an independent human being, a person, since its viability depends 100% (up to 7 months) on the woman's body.
It is a dependent life form inside an independent life form.
[–]HackedAccount997 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
To add to that: Even if the fetus actually was independent from the woman, no one is required to sacrifice any part of their body for someone else, even if it is to keep them alive. If the kid got born and needed let's say his father's blood to survive, which is a much less invasive nor permanently damaging procedure, he could not be forced to donate it at all.
Heck, even DEAD people's organs cannot be transferred without their written consent!
[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Damn right!🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁🥁
Dead people's bodily autonomy >>>>> women's (This year Poland govt = bad; trying to re-implant an extrauterine pregnancy no matter the risk for the woman? What the f? Poland, I hope your Catholic antiwomen leaders will get karma served in spades!)
[–]WafflesTheDuckFDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
They tried that in the US as well.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/ohio-abortion-bill-would-force-doctors-to-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancies-which-is-impossible-1.4708422
[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Obviously. I'm Romanian and I grew up listening to horror stories of older women's births and abortions.
From hip displacement because they didn't want to give her an emergency c-section to hurling themselves off a staircase because they've been raped and impregnated, from mobthly invasive medical check-ups at their workplace to see if try were pregnant from the Securitate sending agents to monitor these women.
Women know.
When the state is failing at a democratic leadership, they want to reassert control by controlling the reproductive labor "force" aka wombs.
[–]WafflesTheDuckFDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Considering how many news articles have already come out on how birth rates are plummeting and the people who are most concerned about it , its clear to see how much the 1% will do to maintain a healthy reserve army of labor. And it needs to be even bigger to account for all the deaths from lack of healthcare and early deaths from poverty and stress.
[–]Equal-Ear2312FDS Apprentice 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. And since now people refuse to enroll to fight and die in someone else's wars, they have to make sure there are people desperate enough to enroll. Poverty and discontent are necessary things in a patriarchal system so that unwilling b*tches who refuse to give America (or any other country with a big military force) their babies are scapegoated.
And every system favors those that created it.
This is why I am disgusted by tradwices, at least those who choose to push their views onto is and advertise and shame that the woman's "noblest" mission in life is birthing as many babies as possible . They are cannon fodder.
It just struck me how much power we as women have by practicing what the Chinese call "womb responsibility". They don't want us to realize how much power we have to dismantle their system.
[–]DameSorciereThrowaway Account 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For me, I think liberals are shooting themselves in the foot with the argument of "a fetus is not a life." I think if it has the potential to become a life, then it's a life. However, that doesn't mean abortion is murder. A fetus's right to life does not supercede a woman's right to her own body. Here's a thought experiment to illustrate what I mean: Let's say there's someone who needs a kidney, or they will certainly die. You are the only person in the world who can give them a kidney. If you choose not to give them a kidney and they die, did you commit murder? The answer is no.
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