A response to PhilosophyTube's anti-paternal surrender video.

azazelcrowley · 2020-06-04T15:41:54+00:00

He also ignores the parental abandonment policies instituted to allow women to use "Drop-off" centers to abandon children they can't cope with. Because they killed children otherwise.

There's also a question to be raised as to whether its in "Childrens interests" for single-parenthood to be made easier by the state, but feminists argued that forcing women to remain in relationships on the basis it's best for children was unjust to women, so we changed it. So why is "it's best for the kids" allowed when it's injustice being done to men?

Razorbladekandyfan · 2020-06-04T14:11:15+00:00

These "leftists" suddenly become Right-wing Darwinists when it comes to male reproductive rights.

PrincessofPatriarchy · 2020-06-04T18:32:52+00:00

Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood for women so therefore neither should it be for men. You have to use mental gymnastics to come to any other conclusion.

I do understand where (some) feminists are coming from when they say that if financial abortion is made legal for men then it should be made applicable to the same restraints women are subjected to when they want an abortion. If a state requires counseling and prenatal screening for women who want abortions then men should have to get counseling before getting a financial abortion as well. If a woman can't get an abortion past the third trimester then men should not be able to get a financial abortion after the third trimester either. If you want equality with what women have then you have to work within the same constraints as well. While some people may see this as punitive I think their ultimate belief is that if men had to jump through the same hoops to relinquish parental rights as women, those waiting periods, ultrasounds, counseling appointments and other hardships would no longer be voted necessary. I'm not sure if that is true but I do recognize that getting an abortion isn't always the walk in the park some people think it is.

Strikester101 · 2020-06-04T15:27:06+00:00

Summary?

What are PhilosophyTube's arguments?

mellainadiba · 2020-06-04T16:16:09+00:00

Generally all around dumb video by that male feminist. Male feminsits have all sorts of psychosexual issues going on.

Anyway these articles discuss the issues nicely and debunk the myths he states I the video

Let’s Talk About Reproductive Rights And Why Men Should Have Them Too

https://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/05/heres-why-men-should-have-the-reproductive-rights-that-women-have/

5 Reasons The New ‘Birth Control For Men’ Will Change Everything

https://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2015/06/birth-control-for-men/

Xemnas81 · 2020-06-04T17:04:05+00:00

I'm kind of tired of the 'the left are hypocrites, so I will abandon all leftist principles' canard, however, it is true we need better male advocates than Breadtube.

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Vandechoz · 2020-06-04T18:40:39+00:00

Ugh I couldn't finish this, and had to go to the original video. Honestly, I find both videos equally insufferable.

In this video, you have so much time wasted calling PT a twerp, or just talking about unrelated bullshit.

In the original, you have a guy who has an entire channel dedicated to philosophy who completely skips past the basic philosophy of how choice creates responsibility.

Douglas0327 · 2020-06-04T15:31:36+00:00

I'm not sure this is a subject we can ever get equality for both sides on, it strikes me that the best way forward is to work on the basis of joint custody and that both parties have access to the same state aid and benefits and the same expectation of going to work as well. If one abdicates their responsibility their benefits and some pay go to the other party. Obviously sperm donors or cased where the biological father is different should be exluded, other than that it does take 2 to tango.

TAKEitTOrCIRCLEJERK · 2020-06-04T21:29:03+00:00

After a child is born, women and men have the exact same rights. You're arguing from a false premise.

Title	A response to PhilosophyTube's anti-paternal surrender video.
Author	Razorbladekandyfan
Upvotes	38
Comments	81
Date	June 4, 2020 2:10 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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