"I'm not sure this is a subject we can ever get equality for both sides on, "
*translation* I do not want men to get equality.
" it strikes me that the best way forward is to work on the basis of joint custody and that both parties have access to the same state aid and benefits and the same expectation of going to work as well."
Women can walk away from their kids, that is not going to change any time soon, so men should be able tol.
"If one abdicates their responsibility their benefits and some pay go to the other party."
Men have no rights, so forcing responsiblity onto them in this situation is defacto slavery.
"Obviously sperm donors or cased where the biological father is different should be exluded, other than that it does take 2 to tango."
This why I consider you a misandrist. You are using the same awful lazy thought terminating cliches they use. Sex for women is not linked to motherhood, also while it might take two to have sex, a child is only going to be born if the woman wants it.
Either the woman pays or the state pays. Lets not use the best interests of the child as an excuse, since people do not give a rats ass about that really.
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Misandrist detected.
"I'm not sure this is a subject we can ever get equality for both sides on, "
*translation* I do not want men to get equality.
" it strikes me that the best way forward is to work on the basis of joint custody and that both parties have access to the same state aid and benefits and the same expectation of going to work as well."
Women can walk away from their kids, that is not going to change any time soon, so men should be able tol.
"If one abdicates their responsibility their benefits and some pay go to the other party."
Men have no rights, so forcing responsiblity onto them in this situation is defacto slavery.
"Obviously sperm donors or cased where the biological father is different should be exluded, other than that it does take 2 to tango."
This why I consider you a misandrist. You are using the same awful lazy thought terminating cliches they use. Sex for women is not linked to motherhood, also while it might take two to have sex, a child is only going to be born if the woman wants it.
Either the woman pays or the state pays. Lets not use the best interests of the child as an excuse, since people do not give a rats ass about that really.
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what ad hominem? Do you know how logic works?
Also people who are on a flakey position in the debate resort to false appeals to ad homs.
If someone is using a misandrist thought terminating cliche, that means they are most likely a misandrist, pointing that out is descriptive.
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