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Another excellent Cathy Young piece about how our discussions about masculinity tend to demonize males

thereslcjg2000

February 3, 2020

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https://arcdigital.media/boys-feminism-and-empathy-748cdb9e23b1

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Title	Another excellent Cathy Young piece about how our discussions about masculinity tend to demonize males
Author	thereslcjg2000
Upvotes	18
Comments	12
Date	February 3, 2020 3:08 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]mewacketergi 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This was a while ago, but this was the clearest I was able to find:

When I came to the United States in 1980 at the age of seventeen, I was a feminist -- before I even knew the word. In the Soviet Union, where I was born and raised, the official dogma of equality coexisted with pervasive old-fashioned sexism: catching a husband was supposed to be a girl's supreme goal; the superiority of the masculine mind was taken for granted by many women as well as men; too much intellect, ambition, or strength in a woman raised the fearful specter of lost femininity.

But then later, she says something that is more in line with your view, than mine:

I believe we still need a philosophy to guide us on the journey of an unprecedented transition: a philosophy that is not pro-woman (or pro-man) but pro-fairness; that stresses flexibility and more options for all; that encourages us to treat people, regardless of sex, as human beings. If sentimental traditionalism won't get us there, neither will the gender warfare that would destroy our common humanity in order to save it. I don't know if this philosophy should be called feminism or something else. But the biggest impediment to its development is what passes for feminism today.

So now I'm more confused.

Source: https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/first/y/young-ceasefire.html

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