Edit: I should have added that I don’t necessarily believe that women are attracted to selfish men. What I am more interested in is whether altruism has an effect in and of itself - namely, that being altruistic makes one more attractive, no fine print. In my experience, confidence is what matters - not so much kindness or compassion, or lack thereof.
This is something which has interested me for a while. I’ve always assumed the affirmative, but I recently stumbled upon two studies that do seem to dispute this, and I believe they are worth posting for discussion, for the sake of intellectual honesty.
Dissenting articles: https://bpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjop.12208
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1474704915623698
Use sci-hub to read the full papers if needed.
To start, I’m pretty skeptical of these papers simply due to personal experience. All of the guys I know who get around with girls are selfish and arrogant, and the most respected and altruistic guy I know has only had one girlfriend (who ended their relationship, I should add). While personal anecdote is not proof, it’s an anecdote which is shared by many other guys. I find it hard to believe that we are all wrong.
Edit: I would also add that there’s an issue here which is not addressed, and that is whether altruism is truly a rule-in factor. It is possible that altruism is more attractive only if a man has several other qualities - self confidence, popularity, dominant social skills (some might call this swagger or boldness), physical attractiveness, height, and most importantly, resources. A man can be altruistic while having none of these, but a dark triad jerk can have all of them with no altruism. But if these factors are more important, then the jerk will be successful while the unmasculine nice guy is not. Yet if you only take into account altruism in ones stats, it will certainly seem like being more altruistic has an absolute effect on attractiveness. In reality, however, it only makes you more attractive after you have that core set of qualities. The powerful and heroic Batman may be more attractive than the Joker, but the powerful Joker still gets laid - your average nice guy does not.
On top of that, neither of the papers even seem to mention papers like these:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19350760
Both of which clearly suggests the opposite. The second one had 90,000 people, and I find it difficult to believe that there isn’t a correlation between criminal behavior and, y’know… being an asshole.
What does everyone here think about these papers? Obviously, remember rule 6 - I’m not interested in bashing people, I’m interested in defending sexless men from the really repulsive charge that they are only sexless because they are “worse people”.
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