Feminist Gaslighting

I posted this on r/Mensrights and now here too :)

Feminists whom we very well know are very good in their means of language games and fallacies in perpetuating different myths and misandry like patriarchy, men can't be raped etc. etc.

One of them is their gaslighting tactic by virtue of which they guilt trip men and make them join feminism or take higher/dominant emotional ground to take control over men and use them for their own benefits. Male feminists are one of examples of such men, they in my opinion are made by such gaslighting for sure.(no misandric intent)

Men are inherently toxic and they create all the worldly problems by structures made by them like patriarchy and toxic masculinity, so this means there's some problem in men themselves and this is why all men should be feminist or women should rule. Men are in power and this creates almost all problems in society, everything will be alright if men will be given less power because men always and always carry harmful tendencies with themselves like over competence, violence, aggression etc. and they use all their power to oppress others

This is how they basically gaslight men into thinking that they are inherently toxic and how by being feminist men's problem (which they mostly neglect) and all the wordly problems like sexism, violence, wars and others will be solved…..

E.g.

First let me talk about Feminism is for FEMINISM IS FOR EVERYBODY, Bell Hooks

Males as a group have and do benefit the most from patriarchy,from the assumption that they are superior to females and should rule over us. But those benefits have come with a price. In return for all the goodies men receive from patriarchy, they are required to dominate women, to exploit and oppress us, using violence if they must to keep patriarchy intact. Most men find it difficult to be patriarchs. Most men are disturbed by hatred and fear of women, by male violence against women, even the men who perpetuate this violence. But they fear letting go of the benefits. They are not certain what will happen to the world they know most intimately if patriarchy changes. So they find it easier to passively support male domination even when they know in their minds and hearts that it is wrong.

See, how she guilt trips, manipulates and gaslights men and makes them look down upon themselves by saying things that men are inherently violent and how they uphold patriarchy by exploiting, oppressing and using violence on women. This is very basic rhetoric which actually holds no water and is the basis of gender biased laws too. None wants to do it because they want to gain some "power" and this theory totally shatters down when women themselves are abusive as men. If you think this is the end, ohh hell nah…

So they find it easier to passively support male domination even when they know in their minds and hearts that it is wrong. Again and again men tell me they have no idea what it is feminists want. I believe them. I believe in their capacity to change and grow. And I believe that if they knew more about feminism they would no longer fear it, for they would find in feminist movement the hope of their own release from the bondage of patriarchy.

See, as I said men are inherently toxic and they need to be free from toxicity by joining feminism (which actually is a man hating shit-hole), this is one of their main gaslighting techniques.

A mother who might never be violent but who teaches her children, especially her sons, that violence is an acceptable means of exerting social control, is still in collusion with patriarchal violence. Her thinking must be changed. Clearly most women do not use violence to dominate men (even though small numbers of women batter the men in their lives) but lots of women believe that a person in authority has the right to use force to maintain authority. A huge majority of parents use some form of physical or verbal aggression.

Again and again same bs

Initially feminist focus on domestic violence highlighted male violence against women, but as the movement progressed evidence showed that there was also domestic violence present in same-sex relations, that women in relationships with Women were and are oftentimes the victims of abuse, that children were also victims of adult patriarchal violence enacted by women and men.

Now, women are abusive because of patriarchy which actually is straight reference to men ( maleness in women ) as patriarchy is a system upheld by men and this idea of violence to gain control is made by men too..

Basically Anything bad happening in ideas created by men and men are one holding these ideas. So, men be feminist and make this world a better place

Although we know what feminism actually is.

This article by tribune says

Boys have to be taught to have respect for women’s bodies. When girls are told they should dress a certain way so they don’t distract/tempt/make the imaginations of boys run wild, it’s sending a message to the boys that they have no control over themselves when it comes to females. The responsibility needs to shift to the boys, teaching them that no matter how a girl dresses, her body deserves complete and total respect. Boys must be made to realise that girls’ and women’s bodies are not for male entertainment and pleasure…… Teach the boys that equality is just as good for boys as it is for the girls. It allows both to reach their potential without limits being imposed on how they think or what they can be when they grow up. If we want to create an equitable society, one in which everyone can thrive, both men and women need to be ‘feminists’, as a feminist is simply someone who believes in the equality of males and females.

Again same bs, men are bad and need to be freed from this, this will be done by feminism so men should be feminist. Moreover, this article blamed expectations put on men on patriarchy and men themselves (which is just another gaslighting and victim blaming where women prefer strong men themselves most and are a very big reason behind muscle dysmorphia in men)

In this article titled "Why can’t we hate men?" feminist writer Suzanna Danuta Walters (Suzanna Danuta Walters is a Professor of Sociology and Director of the Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program at Northeastern University where she also serves as Editor of the feminist journal Signs: Journal of Women in Culture and Society. Dr. Walters’ work centers on questions of gender, feminist theory and politics, sexuality, and popular culture and she is a frequent commentator on these issues for the media.) writes

These critics rightly insist on an analysis of male power as institutional, not narrowly personal or individual or biologically based in male bodies. Growing movements to challenge a masculinity built on domination and violence and to engage boys and men in feminism are both gratifying and necessary…...Women experience sexual violence, and the threat of that violence permeates our choices big and small. In addition, male violence is not restricted to intimate-partner attacks or sexual assault but plagues us in the form of terrorism and mass gun violence. Women are underrepresented in higher-wage jobs, local and federal government, business, educational leadership, etc.; wage inequality continues to permeate every economy and almost every industry… So, in this moment, here in the land of legislatively legitimated toxic masculinity, is it really so illogical to hate men? For all the power of #MeToo and #TimesUp and the women’s marches, only a relatively few men have been called to task, and I’ve yet to see a mass wave of prosecutions or even serious recognition of wrongdoing. On the contrary, cries of “witch hunt” and the plotted resurrection of celebrity offenders came quick on the heels of the outcry over endemic sexual harassment and violence. But we’re not supposed to hate them.

Again, men are violent. Either be feminist or allow us to hate you but but but this doesn't stop just here she says :

So men, if you really are #WithUs and would like us to not hate you for all the millennia of woe you have produced and benefited from, start with this: Lean out so we can actually just stand up without being beaten down. Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don’t run for office. Don’t be in charge of anything. Step away from the power. We got this. And please know that your crocodile tears won’t be wiped away by us anymore. We have every right to hate you. You have done us wrong. #BecausePatriarchy. It is long past time to play hard for Team Feminism. And win.

Ohh, you pathetic creature…. this is just so ridiculous to even think of and she wrote a whole article about it and most probably is preaching this in her university/institution.

Barack Obama also shares same views that men are toxic and create bad institutions and so women should be given power…

Speaking at a private event on leadership, Mr Obama said while in office he had mused what a world run by women would look like.

"Now women, I just want you to know; you are not perfect, but what I can say pretty indisputably is that you're better than us [men].

"I'm absolutely confident that for two years if every nation on earth was run by women, you would see a significant improvement across the board on just about everything... living standards and outcomes."

When asked if he would ever consider going back into political leadership, he said he believed in leaders stepping aside when the time came.

"If you look at the world and look at the problems it's usually old people, usually old men, not getting out of the way," he said.

"It is important for political leaders to try and remind themselves that you are there to do a job, but you are not there for life, you are not there in order to prop up your own sense of self importance or your own power." BBC

In another article by Anthony James Williams (sociologist, feminist) they argue:

Misandry — or the hatred of men — is completely understandable. In fact, I wouldn’t blame women for never wanting to interact with any man because of the fact that so many of us are trash. Like, it makes sense, doesn’t it? (And for the record, I am a queer man who has contributed to the reason why women might just hate us. We all have.)

Again we will hate you because you all just are bad…

and how to be a better man? here we go

We begin to emulate what we see and what we know of what “manhood” is. This often means violence, hypermasculinity (an extreme form and/or performance of masculinity), and toxic masculinities (a particularly damaging form of masculinity). In order to unlearn what we were taught, we practice with women, and that right there is where the cycle begins.

So on our way to become “better men,” many marginalized groups have to deal with our learning process, bearing the brunt of the weight. In this case, it is most often women, femmes of all genders, nonbinary folk, and queer folks. Learning requires test subjects, and those test subjects are the recipients of all of the mistakes we have to make in order to unlearn the oppressive ways we interact with women and treat them as objects, not humans.

Oh, and btw you're still and your opinion doesn't matter, you're oppressing others and you need to be hated, there's no way for you… Although they argue that men are not born this way but still relate it to men being inherently wrong.

Then comes Samantha Allen (very famous feminist) who on tumblr writes

why do i have to answer the question “why do i hate men?” when men don’t even stop to ask why they have always hated women. I have to answer the question because men can’t tolerate for one second the sort of contempt they’ve had for women for thousands of years.

And how can you be a better man?

I am friends with some men, yes. usually these are men who have some experience of marginalization (whether via their race, class, gender identity, sexual identity, what have you) or who have gone through the self-interrogation and relational deprogramming necessary to build meaningful community with women. you don’t just get to read a book and you’re golden. you have to get fucking baptized in menstrual blood as far as i’m concerned.

Yet again……

Same goes with Emma Watson she also men to be feminist to liberate women because it's men's duty to do so as men are one creating these problems. #heforshe is a perfect example of it.

Another feminist Evelyn who talked about how men who say "not all men" are "pick me" men in her BuzzFeed article says on her instagram igtv says

In other words, absent men's aggressions and problematic behaviors women are doing fine. That's why when a male ally shows up and he talks about how he wants to "protect" women in his life, and he cares about women in his life and that's what got him into feminism, I'm skeptical because you need to be concerned about your fellow men. Men are deeply harmed and they are in trouble because they are going around aggressing and not unlearning their sexist behavior. "Men respect each other and men care for women". I need that to be reversed.I need men to care for each other and really be concerned about what's going on with their fellow men and I need men to respect women

Again and again these are the same things repeating…

Well, basically I thinks this is just plain gender stereotyping and a very bad move to take men into and harms in a lot of ways like gender specific/biased laws, they are made on same assumption and stereotyping of men that they're trying to uphold some dominant structure and trying to possess power by intimate partner (as by Ellen Pence, Renuka Chowdhury) and sexual violence (as by Marry P. Koss, Flavia Agnes) violence….

Feminist who claim to have been doing emorional liberation for men and freeing men from these emotional box do themselves ignore men's emotions by these stupif fallacies as excuse to hate men, generalize men and even if you're male feminist you will be accused of taking up women's spaces if you talk about men, you will have to "recognise your privilege" and keep shut up until asked to speak, you will be told your issue is not as big as theirs and what not.. this just goes on.

This is reason most male feminist when talk about other men they look like an apologists who have done something bad in past.

There are a lot more such tactics but this post was specifically for this one :)