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Here’s a meme I made almost two years ago, which I was reminded of tonight - I’ll explain more in the comments.

August 7, 2021
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Title Here’s a meme I made almost two years ago, which I was reminded of tonight - I’ll explain more in the comments.
Author 2717192619192
Upvotes 122
Comments 18
Date August 7, 2021 5:37 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]2717192619192left-wing male advocate[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (9 children) | Copy Link

Tonight, I was talking to a family member who is getting ready to go back to in-person university. She called me over to show me something, and… it was a keychain with multiple weapons and self-defense tools, all to be carried on her keychain at all times. I asked her why she had so many weapons - after all, I am no stranger to safety on the streets as a former runaway street kid and current hitchhiker - and her response was “…Because I’m a woman.”

This line of thinking that encourages gender-based paranoia in women is super common, even nowadays, despite the fact that it goes contrary to female empowerment. And despite the fact that it’s not based in reality, since males are far more likely to be victims of random violence and/or assault.

I myself as a nonbinary AMAB person:
• was sexually assaulted by an older boy at church camp (age 8)
• was literally approached in public by a pedophile who tried to lure me to come back to a park at night while I walked home from the school bus stop (age 12, and I filed a police report with my mom)
• was randomly assaulted in my neighborhood and punched in the head by another high schooler after I came out as bisexual (13)
• was sexually assaulted in the locker room at school (14)
• randomly was screamed at that I’m a “faggot” by a group of older teens in their car for wearing a pink hoodie (15, and in a very liberal Bay Area city no less!)
• was constantly threatened while living in the city after I got kicked out (16)
• narrowly avoided a violent mugging while commuting home on the train (16)
• was sexually assaulted/groped by a coworker while under the influence after work (16)
• was violently robbed on the bus in South Central Los Angeles (17)
• was the victim of a random drive-by assault/shooting — a bunch of people shot at me with paintball guns and left huge welts and bruises all over me. (17, also in South Central LA)
• was sexually assaulted while hitchhiking across the United States by a driver (19)

I’m definitely not a woman, yet all this happened to me. And every single man around me has similar stories of being assaulted. Yet… physical safety is made to be a gendered issue for women only, and ingrained deeply into American society, to a paranoid level. Safety should not be a gender-divided problem, and it shouldn’t be treated as a patriarchal thing!

[–]ByronsLastStandleft-wing male advocate 35 points36 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely! Especially as men are more likely to be the victims of violence anyway, to say nothing of the experiences of non binary people.

[–]Unexpected-bug 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've told this to a woman that argued that streets are more dangerous for women. I got to the point in which I showed her the murder rate statistics and she just dropped the classic: "yhea, but that is men killing other men...." and walked away. In other words: she doesn't care that men are the main victims of murder she thinks the gender of the murder is more significant (even though the vast majority of men are not murderers or anything close to that). I don't care who is representing danger for me, if most murderers were women, the issue will be exactly the same. By her words, she also thinks that the fact that many murder are men is accountable to something she called "male culture " and she also refused to discuss the role of testosterone in the extreme cases of agressive and risky behavior. It's impossible to seriously discuss issues with highly ideological people, they are as blind as religious fanatics.

[–]day5tar 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

women and men should be protected just as much

[–]Neveah_Hope_Dreams 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We all need to learn self-defense, basically. Learn how to protect ourselves and how to get help.

I took a self-defense course at school myself.

[–]Wondering_Z 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol @ people still insisting the night is more damgerous for women, even though the stats showed otherwise. There's no home for men's rights in these quadrants.

[–]NewOrder575 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If there's one thing I hate about "walking alone at night" discourse, it is that it completely ignores class dimension

[–]AdventurousShepherd 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is actually a really good point. We occasionally talk here about the overlaps of race in these kinds of instances but also should be thinking about socio-economic overlaps just as much when it comes to violence on the streets.

[–]Richardsnotmyname 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, statistically women are less likely to be a victim of violent crime with the exception of rape and sexual assault.

Even in cases of rape and sexual assaults, it's typically don't by a close friend or acquaintance rather than strangers.

Are women at risk walking alone at night? Certainly, but not any more of a risk than a man would be. This just makes me wonder how society decides to think "if men disappear for one day we would be so safe" instead of "everyone should take precautions for their safety no matter your gender". It's not like we men are bulletproof after all.

[–]Neveah_Hope_Dreams 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This... is everything!

It's so true and the placement of these opinions are so correct and accurate.

People need to see this because we really need to reflect on how we talk and address this issue and we need to realize that it's actually not a gendered issue as much as we like to think.

[–]cakeandcokeleft-wing male advocate 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How DARE you make sense!

[–]MapleSyrup612left-wing male advocate 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow PCM actually made a based meme once.

[–]2717192619192left-wing male advocate[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course it is based, I made it 😎

[–]WhyDoYouBanMeImRight 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

pcm is often based. sometimes based means funny, sometimes based means i agree, but pcm is often based.

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[–]2717192619192left-wing male advocate[S,M] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you read the stickied comment I left (which I said in the title explains how this meme is related to male advocacy) then you’d see how it relates to men’s issues — and you wouldn’t be posting passive aggressive jabs about how “if this is what leftwing MensRights people do with their time I don’t want to participate” as your first comment in LWMA. I’ve removed this comment for a lack of good faith participation.

[–]Mentalawaythrow -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I read your comment. I'm truly sorry all that happened to you. I hope we can eliminate random assault as much as possible for everybody. Yet I still don't feel comfortable with some of the content on this sub. Just the way the is3aues are brought up. Telling women rhat it's contrary to female empowerment to be scared to walk alone at night just sounds super weird to me. I mean I get it, but also if people, in my case mostly women, are randomly assaulted left and right, you cannot tell them to not be scared. I hate that we live in a world where that is the case, but it is.

[–]2717192619192left-wing male advocate[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Telling women that it’s contrary to female empowerment to be scared to walk alone at night just sounds super weird to me

I assume your view is that women should be empowered to eventually feel safe walking alone at night, right? That women’s empowerment means we need to end violence against women and enable them to do so.

I disagree. When I want to walk to my local 7-Eleven with my sister at 8pm and she tells me “I can’t, it’s nighttime and I’m a woman”, that’s NO empowerment. That’s fear and paranoia, especially when it’s a safer suburban neighborhood and she’s going with an older sibling.
When my aunt carries three forms of weapons on a keychain at all times in her really safe college campus, rather than just a concealed canister of pepper spray, and the reason isn’t “For my safety as a person” but is “I’m a woman, and my gender makes me unsafe”, that’s just untrue.

Violence happens everywhere, and we should work to make the world safer for everyone. Encouraging women in safe suburban areas to not go out at all in the evening is the wrong answer, though. Hence my little centrist square on the meme.

I’d rather not have a meme I made two years ago be what turns you off to left wing Men’s Rights. If you want an example of less polarizing activism we engage in, take a look at r/mensupportmen or r/CircumcisionGrief. As a left-wing male advocate, I put my activism into real practice by helping others.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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