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Is the abbreviation MOC ever used, is it a thing?

Driftlight
June 24, 2021
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It occurred to me that although I have often seen the abbreviation POC for people of colour and WOC for women of colour, I don't think I've ever seen MOC for men of colour, or anything similar. Given how invisible or actively denied issues specific to men are, perhaps I shouldn't be surprised...

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Title Is the abbreviation MOC ever used, is it a thing?
Author Driftlight
Upvotes 91
Comments 40
Date June 24, 2021 7:59 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]DeepFriedWine 78 points79 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

In the Woke SJW mind being a man nearly cancels out the virtue of being a person of colour. Being a black man is only more favourable than being a white man, and is roughly on par with a white woman in the oppression olympics. It's like how gay white men are now being told to tone it down at Pride events - they're part of the patriarchy and them expressing themselves at events they founded to do so is oppressive. Not to straight people, but to other gay people. And families. Please think of the children.

I love intersectionality because defining people solely based on race and gender is the best way to make immediate snap judgments about whether people are good or bad. And that is clearly the best way to overcome racial prejudice. What a time to be alive.

[–]reverbiscrap 42 points43 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Amusingly enough, intersectional feminism completely breaks down when it comes to black men, as it can not explain their social situation by its metrics.

[–]reverbiscrap 16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Having just heard exactly how intersectionality is applied, and how it doesn't work, Dr. T. Hassan Johnson brings it down at 20:00 onwards. Short version: it was never 'Patriarchy' that black men are judged by, but the false idea of the monstrous black male rapist and the threat of sexual violence to women.

https://youtu.be/4JvkirOqr_k

[–]friendofalltehworld 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

the false idea of the monstrous black male rapist

Only white men can be rapists obviously.

[–]reverbiscrap 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The idea is actually as old as the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

Black men have always been viewed as hyper-masculine sex beasts (or predators of white women), and that is the primary metric that most interactions, historically, have turned on. In the case of intersectionality, its black women of the academy who used the stereotype as the replacement for white men in order to make the framing work, as the idea of patriarchy as inherent power doesn't apply to black men.

[–]DosGardinias-5 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Don’t they commit the most rape in the USA proportionally?

[–]reverbiscrap 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Alright, I'll bite, I have time.

What is the purpose of your statement?

[–]DosGardinias-4 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

That guy stated: “the false idea of the monstrous black rapist and threat of sexual violence towards women”. Since black men commit proportionally much more rape than any other ethnic group, isn’t that a true statement, and not false?

I’ve seen articles from the USA stating that being tentative or wary around white males for crimes their ethnic partners do is fine. Going by that logic you can feel the same around black men, no?

Not american and not even white, just curious.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Judging people by the color of their skin instead of their individual actions is racist.

[–]kuki88 -5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What are you on about? Feminism is about stuff like that too, like police brutality towards POC or mens' mental health.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you familiar with the life stories of Erin Pizzey and Earl Silverman? Do you know about the Duluth model?

Don't come here and tell us that Feminism gives a shit about men and our mental health.

[–]kuki88 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Erin Pizzey

I literally follow FEMINIST instagram account and they wrote about it a few days ago. Not just ANY feminist instagram, their username is feminist. Check it out https://www.instagram.com/p/CQbnnVUsXly/

[–]Idesmi 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd say that calling people with acronyms is pretty discriminatory in itself.

[–]StayingAnonymous00 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

if only we had some sort of civil rights leader. perhaps one with a dream. maybe that dream is about judging people based on the content of their character and not their sexuality, genitals, or skin color.

sounds familiar, but thatll never happen.

[–]reverbiscrap 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If only those people weren't always subverted, discredited, or outright murdered by those who profit from the status quo 🥲

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

In SJWspeak, men can't be oppressed (especially by women). Black, yellow or white.

[–]seraph341 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that's their rationale. They would only be oppressed by their ethnicity.

[–]skitz18 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

100% percent. In the politics of reality by feminist Marilyn Frye, she states that men are not oppressed for their gender, and if they ever are oppressed it's due to their class, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. I'm pretty sure it's a very influential feminist text too.

[–]petrol_sexual 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And other men.

[–]risunokairu 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MOC are the wypipo of POC.

[–]KingRasmen 20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

POC

It's BIPOC now, because some minorities are more equal "oppressed" than others.

[–]LettuceBeGrateful 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The acronym BIPOC refers to black, indigenous, and other people of color and aims to emphasize the historic oppression of black and indigenous people.

Wow, you weren't kidding.

[–]Justice_is_a_scam 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not BIPOC "now".

BIPOC is used when you're specifically talking about obstacles Black/Indigenous people face, independently. Like medical school admittance representation or mortality rates based on the same care for the same affliction, usually in reference to political discourse in the USA or Australia/UK/Canada.

Asian babies do not die at the rates that Black/Indigenous babies do in the United States, for example, but these differences in mortality rates nearly disappear when the medical providers are black or indigenous. Which is a problem since BIPOC are EXTREMELY under represented in medical school admittance, while people of Asian decent are not.

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I understand if you disagree with the whole premise. But you should at the very least be educated about the linguistic differences you're denouncing.

It's like not agreeing with gun control and referring to an AK-47 as an AR-36.

It makes us look bad man.

[–]risunokairu -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No. Giving in and using their language is already a victory in their favor. It’s you admitting their ideology has merit.

[–][deleted]  (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Removed as rule 6 violation.

[–]Notsonewguy7 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never seen it.

[–]Astephen542 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not really. The rationale I’ve heard is that struggles MOC face can be applied to POC in general, thus making MOC as a term not useful. This, however, is not true, since the intersectionality of men’s issues along with being a POC has some very real side effects, like an increase in police brutality.

[–]kuki88 -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's what POC is about. Police brutality is one of the huge issues there. But WOC is more specific like with issues affecting just women, like child birth etc.

[–]Justice_is_a_scam 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I use MoC all the time.

Super popular on twitter, which is where the term POC went digitally viral, after tumblr died. You might have better luck on there, than reddit.

Few recent examples:

https://twitter.com/DesiredEgyptian/status/1408267703878565894

https://twitter.com/SammieYeeee/status/1407679165151678465

https://twitter.com/MoralesAcosta2/status/1407873894992683012

https://twitter.com/Blackamazon/status/1406232947909345280

https://twitter.com/Eddiebarnes25/status/1406762098416308225

Here is the search https://twitter.com/search?q=men%20of%20color&src=typed_query

On reddit, /r/menofcolour is banned for being unmodded

and /r/menofcolor is not active.

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while /r/womenofcolour and women of color are both extremely active... porn subreddits.

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I welcome you to start your own. I'd gladly sub.

[–]Oncefa2left-wing male advocate 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

There's r/bmja.

And FYI you can request that sub through r/RedditRequest. There aren't any mods so it's a pretty strait forward request.

u/UnHope20??

[–]UnHope20 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha yeah I'm a mod. Hit me up if you're interested.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think he meant that you should request /r/menofcolor.

[–]UnHope20 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So no one wants to help mod r/BMJA ? 😭

EDIT: Not sure that I will be successful in that request. Feel free to PM me if you want details.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

OP asked specifically for the abbreviation...

[–]Justice_is_a_scam 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, I see. I think perhaps OP and the rest of the gang on this subreddit do not frequent modern socially leftist digital spaces.
I used to see it all the time on Latino Marxist Twitter when I used to actively participate but not as often as WoC. However, I mostly found that it was mostly other women propagating the term WoC as a form of empowerment and reclaiming. I found that men were more comfortable with the term 'non-whites' https://twitter.com/search?q=non-whites&src=typed_query

than women and non-binary folx are. https://twitter.com/search?q=POC&src=typed_query

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I find that reddit and other boards that are male-participant dominant do NOT like the term PoC at all, nor WoC or MoC and I'm more likely to get downvoted if I use those terms on Reddit.

But I think a lot of that has to do with how rampant white supremacy is on the internet for starters.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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