The very different definitions men and women of different countries and age groups have of sexual harassment.

ImportantResults · 2021-07-06T16:24:15+00:00

Harassment is something tremendously subjective, specially today when it seems like the gravity of the offense is dictated by the feelings of the alleged victim.

It looks like feminists are trying their hardest to make harassment something universally punished without any objective evidence.

I have watched French TV many times even though I don't understand many things the level of feminism there is disgusting. It's easy to tell they won't stop talking about feminism.

Skirt_Douglas · 2021-07-06T17:20:34+00:00

Fascinating how Sweden has complete male and female disconnects with zero overlap across all ages. I wonder if that is indicative of a wider double standard gap, where women get away with things the men would get crucified for.

Gamer_Jack_Gameson · 2021-07-06T20:36:51+00:00

I think it's pretty simple. Sexual harassment is clearly defined where I live (US), as law. A single instance of an unwanted sexual advance, even propositioning someone directly for sex, is not sexual harassment. It requires a pattern. The victim has to make their discomfort known, or a reasonable person would have to believe that the behavior is unwanted and harassing without being told so.

This is separate from sexual coercion, of course. A single instance of sexual coercion is a crime. No rejection necessary.

In my opinion, taking advantage of someone underneath you sexually, like an employee, ought to be illegal, but it typically isn't in the US. #MeToo tried to address this, and it is sort of working, but it's still not illegal.

It doesn't matter if you make someone uncomfortable by asking them out. It isn't harassment, and there is nothing they can do about it. No one is going to be able to destroy your reputation for asking them out once.

friendofalltehworld · 2021-07-07T15:02:43+00:00

"Opinions on acceptable male behaviour vary by age, sex and nationality".

Opinions on acceptable female behavior? How dare you even ask!

BloomingBrains · 2021-07-06T22:53:38+00:00

I really don't think men and women's definition of harassment is all that different. Any variance is easily explained by the fact that what women perceive as creepy is extremely dependent on the attractiveness of the man doing the behavior. So unless researchers are controlling for the variable, some women may answer the question differently than other women. Either they answered yes it is creepy because they imagined a hypothetical unattractive man doing it, or they imagined an attractive man doing it and answered no.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it was until the age of "sexual liberation" and Tinder that it became acceptable to say extremely crass and objectifying things to a woman as long as you're a 10/10 male.

BatemaninAccounting · 2021-07-09T12:12:22+00:00

> Surprising is that almost everybody sees a sexual proposal to a woman who is not a romantic partner as harassment. What does that mean? Are people supposed only to have sex within a relationship? Should they not ask first? Or was the question simply poorly formulated, taken out of context?

People are supposed to have sex within some kind of friendship or relationship(one night stands are pretty rare, regardless of the silliness you see in movies.) Survey stats back this fact up.
> Wolf-whistling on the other hand, more or less the archetype of sexual harassment, turns out not to be so strictly condemned at all. In Germany, a minority of both sexes and all age groups think it harassment. A minority of the oldest group of women in all countries think it harassment.

I would find it very unusual that any woman and half of men view sexualized whistling as anything but a negative in all random encounter contexts. In general, it makes intuitive sense that such behavior and the connotations around it are implied to be negative. It's literally someone saying you're a piece of cattle / obedient.

> Sexual jokes: they were told by everybody when I was young. Some of the dirtiest ones I know were told to me by a girl in my class.

In all leftists circles I run we make sexual jokes all the time. We tell dirty jokes. We tell 'offensive' jokes. The key part is context and in the privacy of our own intra-communities. Going up to random people or coworkers and telling them sexual jokes are more often than not a negative experience.
> In France, more than 25% of young girls think it harassment if you ask her to go out for a drink! Is this a reaction to the libertine imagine France had for a long time?

Something is missing in translation or 25% of French women should be ignored. That's a silly think to say and I suspect there's a lot more context to such a survey question. In many contexts asking a woman out for a drink is offensive and sexual harassment. At the same time, as a 'general' thing if two people are into each other it's absolutely fine.

Title	The very different definitions men and women of different countries and age groups have of sexual harassment.
Author	Blauwpetje
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Date	July 6, 2021 11:19 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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