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Thousands of redditors attack a male DV victim in response to the trending video of his victimization.

January 27, 2022

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The statements made by redditors in response to the video provide further evidence for the problematic attitudes and evaluations regarding male victims, as well as the casual usage of gendered insults like "man child".

The currently trending post I am talking about: r-PublicFreakout/comments/sdzzeb/live_streamer_plays_loud_music_for_donos_at_3am/

For short: 28 yo man is living with his mother. He streamed and played loud music for donations at 3 in the morning. In response, the mother beats him with a steel lamp, calls him a "f**got", tells him he will die alone and that it is his own fault. The viewers call the police. Before he can talk to the police, she instructs him to tell them that he is fine. He lies to the police, answering the question if he was "hit at all" with "no, sir", which is untrue. After the police leaves, she threatens him that he will be thrown out should the police ever show up again. From what it sounds like, the police had to intervene before.

Is playing music at 3 am nice? No. Is physically assaulting him in response acceptable? Not at all.

One comment claimed that he too has been violent at one point in the past. If that was the case, the police should have been called just the same. Even though the clip may suggest to some that maternal abuse during his development may have contributed to his dysfunctional behaviors (if true), we must still strive to prevent such events. Violence is ineffective in achieving anything positive, even if you make yourself feel better about it by convincing yourself it was "deserved". Efforts to increase the empathy for and visibility of male victims whilst expanding the availability of support - both socially and institutionally - may be part of prevention efforts that may intercept the cycle of violence.

Now on to the comments:

(+1544) Lmao his mom roasted the shit outta him "YOURE GONNA DIE ALONE AND ITS YOUR OWN FAULT"

(+503) She's probably right. What a loser.

(-90) That she raised...

(+121) A parent can do everything right and still end up with a loser kid.
(+79) Sometimes people just end up this way regardless of what parents do

(+31) Yeah the beating has nothing to do with it... maybe she should hit him harder?

(+19) If she hasn't tried that at this point it's worth a shot. He's grown adult not a defenseless child.

(-26) No, it's not worth a shot, and him being an adult doesn't change that. She exists outside of a jail cell only because he decided it wasn't worth it. It wasn't ever worth the shot, no matter how much you resent this guy because he's as lazy as you wish you could be.

(+3127) This is a 28 year old man. Blasting music at 3 am at his moms house. He’s lucky she only came at him with a lamp.

(+58) My mother would have pulled the fuses first and then cleared up with the lamp. YobTubbers can't report what they can't see.
(+572) Seriously I noticed late that the dude is like 30 and his mom looks like a grandma. Dude is not only living with his mom at 30 but is extremely disrespectful to her. Jesus I thought I was a loser for moving out at 22. At least I didn’t treat my mom like shit.

(+965) Now now, perfectly normal in most parts of the world to still live at home at that age. Let's not shame for that, shame for being disrespectful and waking his mom up at 3am.

(+137) THTAHP IM NOT DOING ANYTHING WRONG IM IN MY ROOM! Shes right, what a fucking idiot.

(+19) I thought he was gonna start crying for his tendies and dewies

(+508) "If the police come to my house one more time" not surprised it's happened before an I honestly don't know who would be at fault lol

(+183) Agreed. He’s a POS but, by the same token, keeping him around only continues to enable his narcissistic behaviour.

(+385) A shitty piece of human.

(+45) In this case I am generally confused with who you mean.

(+14) Probably the grown man still living with his parents.
(+187) Probably referring to the man child

(+85) Yup... he's a parasite.

(+388) This streaming shit is ridiculous

(+168) Thats not streaming thats legit mental illness. I can't tell if the people calling the cops and his mom are trying to be assholes or just trying to get somebody to actually help that fucking guy.

(+33) Definitely assholes.
(+39) Is he mentally ill? Sure probably. Is he cognisant enough to know he's being an asshole? Yes. This guy isnt a victim.

(+2525) He’s Juiced that he got attention and 5 bucks. He is already planning his next obnoxious livestream

(+427) Live by the content, die by the content.

(+59) Hopefully the content hits a little hard next time.

(+306) His mom seemed pretty hones about him dying alone... Dude is 28 and lives at his moms... And still acts like a 14 year old "rebel"

(+89) Reddit does this a lot... Attacking things that happen to good people. Or attacking the visual appearance of assholes that good people also tend to have. It's disgusting. This guy is a loser. But why shit on everybody who happens to have had to move back in with their parents later in life due to shitty circumstances?

(+77) Is this the same guy from the other day where the mom was pissed about the exact same thing?

(+26) Yep. That poor mother should kick him out yesterday

(+105) Ladies, I'm pretty sure this enterprising young man is single ...

(+143) She needs to kick his bum ass out of her house!

(+47) "If the cops come one more time... You're out" But not before his lame ass sends her to jail for assault. I really feel for her, but she should have said, "you're out by tomorrow"

(+217) I saw another video of these two where the guy was doing shots every time someone donated. His mom came in a flipped out. People in the comments began defending him! Saying he is a grown man and the mom is toxic and controlling. Maybe she is controlling but this “grown man” lives at home and is irresponsible as hell. It’s crazy.

(+44) Doesn't matter what age you are. If you live with mommy you play by her rules. People can act like an adult when they decide to live like one.

(+151) This guy is an absolute loser. His Mom should throw his ass out.

(+144) Fucking loser. His poor mother.

(+28) The mother should stop filling the fridge and cut off the wifi. If she has cable, cut it. Pay for his phone? Cut it. Watch how fast he starves/leaves/tries to kill her.

(+47) Time to move out you pathetic man child

(+45) If my son was a grown ass man still living in my house blasting music at 3 am because all he ever amounted to in life was being a streamer, damn straight I would beat his ass.

That was a selection. Votes at the time of writing.

I am a bit at a loss for words regarding this. This is even less empathetic than I would have thought. I see that people find the victim annoying, but apparently there is little to no effort to understand the issues associated with such behavior and how their reactions toward this do not help at all, nor does the violence.

Am I missing something?

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Title Thousands of redditors attack a male DV victim in response to the trending video of his victimization.
Author DistrictAccurate
Upvotes 166
Comments 48
Date January 27, 2022 11:07 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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[–]SIWIJIAM 96 points97 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

He's almost certainly have been abused and neglected by her, normal and healthy don't end up in situations like this

People in the comments are fucking pathetic and have no idea what they are talking about whatsoever

[–]Tedfordshire 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's classic Reddit, people jumping to conclusions over 15 seconds of video. Nothing is allowed to be a balanced issue, either he is a saint that did nothing wrong and his mother is literally the devil, or he's the worst person to ever exist. Absolutely nothing is allowed to be nuanced.

[–]PsychologicalScale57 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And a lot of jumping on the bandwagon for upvotes.

[–]LokisDawn 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

don't end up in situations like this

If by that you mean being beaten by their mother and basically not reacting, then yes.

If you mean "living at home at 28", I disagree. And no, I do not live at home.

[–]Urhhh 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

- Housing market *crashes into fucking smithereens* - People: just move out lol

[–]TheLWMA 74 points75 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Those comments are screwed up.

I understand the commenters condemning the guy for playing loud music at 3 am, but the commenters defending the mother for beating her son? Imagine instead of a 28-year-old man, it was a 28-year-old woman. The comments would be much more sympathetic to the hypothetical daughter.

I don't understand why we, as a society, always have to boil these types of situations down to "good guy" vs "bad guy" when in reality sometimes both sides are bad.

[–]StupidSexyQuestions 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even when a party is bad, that does not mean they are condemned to being bad forever and are beyond redemption, nor does it mean they deserve to be shamed and abused by shit tons of people on the internet. Absolutely disgraceful.

[–]Vegetable_Ad6969 34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

God forbid if it was a father beating his daughter.

[–]blahblah421 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a special type of hatred that society and the internet reserves for unemployed men who live with their parents. I've seen it time and time that whenever people catch wind of a man who fits the aforementioned description, they will tear him apart, fantasize about beating him or murdering him, wanting to see him go homeless, and they will use every gendered insult they can think if. Additionally, when referring to the man, they will enclose the word in quotation marks ("man") to imply that he hasn"t earned or has lost the right to be referred to as such. It's used as yet another way to mock or degrade their manhood or masculinity. In some of these comments, you'd think they were talking about a murderer with the amount of vitriol and contempt contained in them.

It always frustrates me that people's first reaction is to kick a man who is already down instead of helping or at least lending an understanding ear.

[–]TomJCharles 38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those comments are indeed gross. Bottom line, if the genders were reversed, the Internet would explode.

And yes, no one would call her a "woman child."

[–]VinceFromScammedHow 19 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Am I missing something?

Yes, this guy is part of the IP2 network (AKA the edgier, racist, generally scummy spiritual successor to the Ice Poseidon network of IRL Livestreamers), so him and his audience are... all that stuff. Most importantly, that also means everyone seen around him on his streams endures constant harassment and doxxing.

There exists a video on /r/cringetopia of this same guy being spoken to with pure disappointment by his mother after his viewers got his mom's cell number and texted her to inform her that her son was taking shots for donations (he's also a recovering alcoholic), at which point she finds a bottle of Jäger hidden under his desk.

EDIT: For more context on IP2, they're basically the streaming network of people who would be (or often already are) banned everywhere else. They're the guys who walk around in public playing text-to-speech N words from a Bluetooth speaker for donations and that sort of thing.

[–]Funny-Man-1992 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, but the part about she being at blame for raising a kid like this is still a valid point. I'm so glad about the fact that most redditors will never have children.

[–]VinceFromScammedHow 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't speak on that, honestly. I'm 23 and support myself and two cats as a software developer, I cannot relate to being a 28 year old professional livestreamer who lives with their mother

[–]DistrictAccurate[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not know any of these names, honestly. I do not doubt that he may have done / does bad stuff as well and that it may contribute to peoples opinions about him in general, but I struggle to imagine how any of that changes the things said in this post (though you may not have meant to imply that it would - I appreciate you providing more info in general), not to mention that most comments do not appear to have been made based on that knowledge or at least didn't bother to mention it over him being a "man child", living with his mother and waking her at night. If you believe the glorification of DV against those from likely dysfunctional backgrounds who unfortunately ended up in hateful or otherwise problematic circles is justified, then we disagree. Neither the mother nor the comments are how we as a society should address such issues. As for the harrassment, that is of course problematic. It is to be blamed on the harrassers, but cessation of the streams may be the only way to prevent it - as messed up as that is*. Still, the comments go way beyond criticizing such decisions whilst condemning the abuse and potentially realizing what paths may have lead to where he is - instead, they glorify it.

*If what he does or says on stream is legally relevant, report him to law enforcement. If it is against the TOS, report him to the admins. Otherwise, criticize the content. Harrassment, doxxing and violence are not proper ways to go about it.

[–]Complete-Temporary-6 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you are getting at by going over his background. Like, are you trying to justify him getting beat on?

[–]VinceFromScammedHow 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm saying that to claim he's 100% a victim is pretty disingenuous when being a literal IRL troll is his choice of "job". To paint it as "abusive gaslighting" for a woman to not want twitch viewers harassing the local police department after doing everything they can to get to her via her son's stream is dishonest.

Their entire thing is harassing people until they react and then further "trolling" them by acting like a victim. The people from the videos walking around LA saying dumb shit and getting up in people's faces and then pepper spraying people who get close to them? Yeah, that's these guys.

[–]coolboy_24278 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

r/publicfreakout is one of the worst subs in this site. a bunch of losers coming together and attacking an individual thats singled out

[–]Algoresball 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a reason why child therapy is less effective for addressing children’s behavior than parent therapy

[–]RhinoNomad 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

According to the comments on the original post, this is not the first time his mom has got onto him like this and most people are reacting to that fact. He has a history of being disruptive and a slob and his mother is likely at her wit's end with him.

Though to be fair, this mother said some absolutely horrible things to her son and no one deserves to be treated like that, regardless of whether they're a "bum" or not. Just because he's an adult, doesn't mean it is okay for the mom to prod and beat him with a steel lamp. It's equally as sickening to see people in the comments cheer on, encourage and promote the mother's behavior, going so far to give advice on how further to abuse him.

I doubt that reddit would be so unforgiving towards him if he was a woman.

[–]throwaway20210821 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have seen men being accused of being "deadbeat" 'leeches' for still living at home with their parents. The term "deadbeat" is not even restricted to men that don't pay child support on time, further proof that even terms like "deadbeat" are targeted at men that have failed to carry out a provider and protector role.

Also publicfreakout and other subs cheering on street fighting are full of people with a traditionalist mentality towards things.

Conservatives will condemn antifa for acting this way but it occurs on the right too with the proud boys, at capitol rallies and at any political extremist event. Street fighting culture and voyeuristic pursuits encourage people that want to see anyone that is male in pain, bonus points if such males are easily capable of being physically subdued for any perceived slip in socially acceptable behavior.

[–]Grow_peace_in_Bedlamleft-wing male advocate 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

God I hate the word "manchild." It is such a painfully gendered insult. Of course, a woman who doesn't work in a way rewarded by capitalism is not seen as a failure of a human being, so they mostly escape being looked down upon for behaviors that would be deemed immature or contemptible in men.

Also, for all that socially liberal types talk about how victims shouldn't have to be perfect paragons of virtue to be worthy of compassion, that all seems to go out the window when those victims are men, especially if they lack some other trait that gives them intersectionalist cred, but here, it seems to me that this guy is not neurotypical. It is astounding to me how so many people who are supposed to be socially conscious just expect neurodivergent men to pick themselves up by their social bootstraps; indeed, a large part of creepshaming (though not all of it, mind you) is just ostracizing neurodivergent men for trying and failing to take some action to improve their social lives and confidence.

[–]boomboxspence 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do men get hate for still living with parents without people knowing the full story? No one hates on a woman who lives with her parents or call her a "woman child". Most of these men are mentally ill and/or autistic or have some other kind of disability.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or just can't afford independent housing.

[–]boomboxspence 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That too

[–][deleted]  (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]DistrictAccurate[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't feel like using "femcels" as an insult is in line with our stance on the inflationary usage of "incel" as an insult.

Additionally, angry comments on men hitting their assailants may be justified if it was retribution instead of self defense.

Any violence against an assailant that goes beyond the least severe measure possible to stop a currently ongoing attack may be considered self-"justice" at best and shall be condemned regardless of sex.

Don't get me wrong, even the condemnation of self-"justice" is affected by differentials in empathy, but two wrongs don't make a right. Yes, self-"justice" and retribution toward male perpetrators are regularly glorified and celebrated, but that is nothing anybody should strive to match.

I assume you were talking about actual self-defense though.

[–]FightOrFreight 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any violence against an assailant that goes beyond the least severe measure possible to stop a currently ongoing attack may be considered self-"justice" at best and shall be condemned regardless of sex.

Disagree, only because that imposes far too strict a standard. People being assaulted shouldn't be expected to titrate their response to perfectly match the threat. But yes, doing gratuitously more than is necessary to stop an attack should be condemned.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Removed as rule 8 violation.

[–]gabrielcoronel_left-wing male advocate 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Please don't use the term simp.

[–]FightOrFreight 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain why we shouldn't use it? I think it's a useful term for describing certain male behavior, but I'm definitely open to hearing your perspective.

[–]a-man-from-earthleft-wing male advocate[M] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because we have a rule against gender-specific insults.

[–]gabrielcoronel_left-wing male advocate 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's another term used to harm men. I know its original meaning, but people use it differently nowadays. I know of some guys who've been called simps just because they defended/respected in some situation. If you're a man and stand up against misogyny (a completely fine thing to do) you'll get called a simp. I know you didn't mean that when you used it, but I think you do more harm than good by using it. "Men in need of female approval" would've been a more acceptable term in my opinion.

[–]FightOrFreight 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be clear, I'm not the one who used it above, I'm just replying because I'm interested.

I fully understand the problem you're describing (IE. misapplying it to dudes who are simply being decent), but I don't think eliminating the word is the solution. Literally all terms of criticism get twisted and weaponized against people to whom they really shouldn't apply.

And if the phrase "Men in need of female approval" ever gains the same negative connotation that this sort of behavior deserves, it would ALSO risk being weaponized occasionally against men who are just being decent and standing up to misogyny. Again, the problem really isn't in the word itself.

[–]34T_y3r_v3ggi3s 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Femcels are nonsense. Women never have trouble finding sex in dating. At this point I'm convinced that the women who can't get a men to sleep with them is likely the result of overly critical standards and cynicism regarding their taste in men. Not from there being virtually no market for them in dating, which is the complete opposite of what many young men are experiencing these days.

What's really going on in the comments is people (men and women) who haven't ever lived with a disability or with codependency issues. Therefore they think they have a right to say a fucking word on the subject when in reality its just a lack of empathy and hate speech bordering on sociopathy that they're spewing from their disgusting thumbs, since they've all lived with privilege that this poor guy didn't have. You know, the same people who go on and on about how privileged all men are but are living the lives of queens because they're women and are viewed as special simply because of that fact? I wish I was put on a pedestal simply because of my gender 😒

I fucking cannot stand people like these pieces of shit.

[–]gabrielcoronel_left-wing male advocate 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women never have trouble finding sex in dating.

This isn't true at all. There are some really ugly women (just as men) who have no place in the dating market.

[–]MathematicianNo4277 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would bet the most hateful radfems you meet online are involuntarily celibate. The one I know in real life is.

[–]34T_y3r_v3ggi3s 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps never was the wrong choice of words. I should say they don't typically have trouble finding sex when dating.

[–]WeEatBabies 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are on the wrong side of history!

[–]Man_of_culture_112left-wing male advocate 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All those guys are messed up people.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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