So recently I've seen a few conversations rolling around reddit. Accusing us of being hateful
But hate is clearly against our rules. And our amazing mod team does an incredible job of removing hate where we see it. (though we're not omniscient and we can't remove things that we don't see)
I've even seen accusations that we're right wing extremists who want to take away women's rights.
But as our sidebar clearly states. We're 100% against that.
Seriously, it's right there. --------->
Now. Even though it's clear to the observer that there isn't any hate here.
These people seem utterly convinced. And I doubt they would lie or misrepresent information for ideological reasons to promote or maintain a narrative.
That would be ridiculous
So I figured I'd open up the floor. And let these detractors speak out. And direct us to this hate so that we can remove it. Or at least have a conversation on why you think there's so much hate here that the rest of us are oblivious to.
I'm going to leave this stickied at the top of the sub until around sunday. Give people enough time to see that we're open to criticism. And hopefully they can point us to some of this hate so that we can clean it up.
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Would it be possible to create a bot that auto-ban's AHS users? It is the only way I can see we can avoid this problem arising, due to the MGTOW fall out they have been trying to specifically get us banned, we are first on their targeting list.
The only downside to implementing this is genuine members of LWMA that have participated there in good faith to argue in defence of us and MRA's, but you could make a post where you specify that they can message mod mail or something and request their ban to be lifted.
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I've seen this in this sub a few times - just wanted to point out its a word-for-word rewrite of the Declaration of Independence but with King George replaced with men.
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It even says...
I don't think a parody of a well known historical document written over 170 years ago is strong evidence against feminism as a movement being against equality. I don't really have a strong opinion on whether feminism is for equality but I think your point is flimsy sorry.
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Their points in 1848 were that women were severely limited in their independence from men. See some of their specific grievances (again all written in the style of the Declaration of Independence so they're quite flowery)
Women were generally limited to a small amount of jobs
Lots of men couldn't vote too but its true that women, as a class, couldn't vote. Even the DoI didn't aim for universal suffrage, just the right for America to make its own laws.
I think we all agree we're glad this is fixed, and want to continue fight for both genders to have equitable access to education
Same here.
The point of parodying the DoI wasn't to demonise men (32 men signed it after all) but to declare that women should be free and equal people to men, in a direct comparison to America being a free and equal country to England. Whether feminism continues to, or ever did, aim for equality is certainly debatable but I don't think the Seneca Falls statement is good evidence against it.
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AHS defended FDS multiple times, and upvoted emotional manipulation that could only come out of the FDS swamp. They're extremely fish.
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