Women are victim blaming when they devalue male-on-male violence

politicsthrowaway230 · 2021-03-30T09:28:59+00:00

I've usually seen the argument go like this:

> Women have much more to worry about, they can't leave the house without fear of getting attacked

> Actually, men are more likely to be attacked, and the statistics show that.

> Yeah, but by men (how they think this relates to the first message I haven't a clue, since that's not what's being contested, it just makes it sound like they're blindly lashing out)

> Continues to parrot the first line in full knowledge it's faulty.

which makes this even more of a non-argument, it makes zero sense as a "rebuttal".

Or they start talking about how women are apparently killed because of their gender and men aren't. Like, what? Given these people are some of the first to cry whataboutism it startles me how much they love reverting to it.

Fundamentally - no-one is really that safe walking alone at night. Men are not some immortal superhumans. Not all (I daresay most won't since the criminal will have already considered this) men will be able to defend themselves despite their image in popular culture, and some will be even less equipped to defend themselves than the average woman. (to take an extreme example, if they're physically disabled)

loonthink · 2021-03-30T09:58:08+00:00

Radical feminism is uninterested in statistically-verified argumentation, drawing logical conclusions or policymaking to benefit society at large. It's a hate movement singularly interested in pushing a narrative of perpetual female victimhood and male aggression.

The fact that the evidence does not back up this narrative (particularly in Western nations) is of little consequence to its proponents. They are an ideologically-driven group; the statistics and evidence can be cherry-picked and manipulated to suit whatever they want them to say. That violence-against-men is so casually swept aside in their minds by the fact that it usually male aggressors merely betrays their misandry.

fndo84 · 2021-03-30T12:53:25+00:00

Besides blaming the victim, the main phallacy of that argument is that even though the majority of perpetrators are men, not the majority of men are perpetrators. Decades of research show that majority of crime is committed by a small group of persistent offenders (between 1% and 7% of population):

1945: University of Pennsylvania - about 6% is accountable for 52% of violent crime https://www.jstor.org/stable/986609?seq=1

1982: University of Pennsylvania (follow up study) - about 7% accountable for 61% offenses https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/86680NCJRS.pdf

2006: University of Cambridge - 7% accountable for half of all offenses http://www.crim.cam.ac.uk/people/academic_research/david_farrington/hofind281.pdf

2014: University of Gothenburg - 1% of population accountable for 63% of violent crime https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3969807/#__ffn_sectitle

So, labeling a whole group that represents half of the population as criminals (or "potential" criminals) is blatantly hate speech.

Stephen_Morgan · 2021-03-30T11:10:42+00:00

Perhaps an appropriate rejoinder would be to point out that both male criminals and female criminals are more likely to attack men. If we're talking about victimisation, that's an issue. If we're talking about perpetration, that's an issue.

serial-grapeist · 2021-03-30T16:39:52+00:00

I don't try to argue with them in that situation, because they are way too stupid to understand. I just tell them that a woman in the UK is 7 times more likely to kill herself then she is to be killed by a man.

BloomingBrains · 2021-03-30T18:33:39+00:00

A few other points:

Men ten towards extremes, both biologically and psychologically, whereas women are more average. Meaning the most psychotic and violent are among us, but also the least.
One can easily appropriate this logic to say that it's NBD if female child abusers abuse girls, but not ok if they abuse boys, because the perpetrator and victim share a sex.

WhenIsItOkayToHate · 2021-03-30T23:04:36+00:00

Just keep this in mind: when a male is the perpetrator, and the victim is male, even if the victim is a young boy, the violence cancels itself out. 1-1=0.

^ The feminist ideology.

dontpet · 2021-03-30T17:49:34+00:00

To be fair, men also do that. Probably not to the same degree though.

Hamedic · 2021-03-31T05:30:45+00:00

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

1Badshot · 2021-04-04T21:30:16+00:00

When a woman is attacked no amount of circumstances can make her any less of a victim.

When a man is attacked no amount of innocence on the his part makes it any less the man's fault he became a victim.

Title	Women are victim blaming when they devalue male-on-male violence
Author	peanutbutterjams
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Date	March 30, 2021 6:48 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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