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[–]nightingale2nd164 points165 points166 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
bUt tHE pATrIaRCHy
[–]BlackBoxInquiry25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
RHEEEEEEEEEE!!
[–]lostapwbm163 points164 points165 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Since the US Women's Team asserts that they are the equals of the Men's Team, put the women in the next men's world cup and see how they do.
[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr61 points62 points63 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It'd be like watching a game played versus mannequins
[–]v_maet22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The US womens team lost to a texas high school under 15's boys team didn't they?
[–]lostapwbm10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They did.
But they are equal.
[–]zippy90026 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
5-2 I think
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pay the boys that amount if those skanks are willing to be paid more. They need to earn it.
[–]TheExaltedTwelve2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuuuu why even pay for them to play. Beaten by pubescent boys, all those years nurturing skill and athleticism, to be beaten by pubescent boys.
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[–]BandB10110 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Basically it’s not a true profession if they can’t draw a living wage from it alone making it a part time job lol
[–]pinkhelium-4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wow wow. So smart. Great logic.
[–]lostapwbm1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's their argument, not mine and one of the basis for their lawsuit against the USSF:
Plaintiffs Are Required to Perform the Same Job Duties that Require Equal Skill, Effort and Responsibilities Performed under Similar Working Conditions as MNT Players.
Subsection B, paragraphs 44-51 of Morgan et al. v. United States Soccer Federation (2:19-CV-01717), if you want to read it for yourself.
So, by their own "Great logic" they should be able to play against the men's teams at at least an equal level of the USMNT (which is a pretty low bar since the US didn't even qualify for the World Cup in 2018).
Is there any other stupidity you'd like to get off of your chest?
[–]Bacon_ki113r88 points89 points90 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
The morning show I listen to talks about this all the time.
He says that the reason the women soccer team doesn't get paid more money, is because the product is garbage.
He isn't being sexist, look at the numbers.
Men's soccer in general is pulling in way more money, and women's soccer is not (as demonstrated by OP)
It just makes sense to me that you are going to pay someone for the work that they are doing based on the amount they are pulling in for the company.
If they were pulling in bigger crowds, then yes, they would be making more.
TLDR: product is not as good, so pay is not as good as a result.
[–]Gordon-G48 points49 points50 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The Dallas U-15 Boys elite team beat the hell out of the USWNT 5 - 2 and it wasn’t even close.
Trump should invite that Boys team to the WH
[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Considering how fucking hostile the players are towards the president (Become something something orange man bad?) it would be a classic Trump move to invite the boys team, commenting on them being the real champions. That pink haired dyke would explode on the spot.
[–]Gordon-G5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hahaaa, YES !!!!
[–]MrMagtow2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I believe it was that game, the boys were being very cautious and not being physical (according to a spectator) until the women stared getting physical (pushing, pulling, going in with a shoulder to take control over the ball).
The boys then started playing normally and the women began complaining the boys were being too physical.
[–]Gordon-G0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No doubt led by Repulsive Rapinoe
[–]MrMagtow2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Her foul attitude - "I DESERVE THIS!" Women have zero sportsmanship.
[–]Gordon-G1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I find her repugnant
[–]nana31og0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a friend who acts exactly like her.... it’s fuckin retarded the level of entitlement...
[–]Fat_Head_Carl13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The WNBA is subsidized by the NBA, or it wouldn't exist.
[–]Fwtbt845 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And they have to have 20 sponsers/ads on their uniforms to even barely stay afloat.
[–]Mister_Mask2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There’s a women’s NBA? Huh, you learn something new every day.
All that jumping though, must be killer on the tits. Or is it more like netball? Mostly standing around with occasional jog and throw?
[–]Fat_Head_Carl2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're probably a reason you haven't seen it
[–]Bacon_ki113r0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He brings that up as well
[–]lionzion3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm telling Twitter on you!!
[–]nate920 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another thing people do not take into consideration here is the competitiveness of the men's side. How many men try and fail to become a top tier professional soccer player? How many women? The more competitive a career field the more money the top group is paid. It's all very basic and easy to understand. But it's not about an inability to understand. It's about wilfully ignoring facts to push an opinion.
[–]Gordon-G69 points70 points71 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
That Wimbledon pay per time on the court comparison is a joke. Same pay is bullshit.. pay them by revenue brought in and by time spent on the court!
[–]MrMister199419 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
They get paid the same for paying less sets! Whoever got that idea through is a total genius.
[–]Gordon-G61 points62 points63 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Nadal believes the prize money should be based on viewership, claiming that male competitions have more of it than those of female players. He voiced his opinion loudly and clearly, telling an Italian magazine that “It’s a comparison we shouldn’t even make. Female models earn more than male models and nobody says anything. Why? Because they have a larger following. In tennis too, who gathers a larger audience earns more.”
[–]Fat_Head_Carl8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh, I bet that wasn't popular on the talk show circuit.
[–]Gordon-G1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the quacking chickens
[–]Fat_Head_Carl1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
are they like clucking ducks?
[–]MrMister19946 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly. They could at least play the same amount of sets as men though...
[–]Gordon-G6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haaa.. 5 hrs.. yeah with a spa break, mani-pedi..maybe ..lol
[–]gerald_targaryen2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's racist!
[–]yooshio36 points37 points38 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
RAAAAAPE!
[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do your homework before you make headlines.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BuT MUH FeElS
[–]CollapseOfTheWest13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Even more ridiculous is the fact that the WNBA is demanding the same thing. This is a league that has been around for over twenty years at this point, and not only has it never been profitable, it is actually subsidized to the tune of $10 to 12 million a year by the NBA.
[–]javigot7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
End the WNBA
[–]Fantoche_Dreemurr4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who the fuck watches WNBA? It's almost as hilariously boring as women hockey
[–]ratfag3142 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’d watch the LFL.
[–]Pacattack570 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would give women’s hockey a chance as long as they were cute. Cute chick smacking each other around sounds cool but WNBA is really boring to watch. They miss ALOT of their shots in comparison to NBA.
[–]ncarolina6614 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Male porn stars should be paid as much as female porn stars.
Male models should get the same multimillion dollar contracts female models get.
Male ...wait that's it. Porn Stars and Models are the only thing women make more than men, guess that about sums up what they are good for/at.
The truth hurts.
[–]nana31og0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There’s got to be more than that! You fuckin SEXIST! checks kitchen well fuck.... they ain’t the best in there either...
[–]ncarolina660 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, best chefs are all men. Nuf said.
[–]tmajewski8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Serious question- where are these revenue numbers coming from? Does this include franchising, merchandise, ad revenue, etc.?
I have no stake in this argument at all, but I am interested in understanding it. The way it seems to me, as an observer is as follows: Obviously, the men's world cup as a whole is just on another level in terms of its size and popularity. But, the USA men (no offense, I'm a US citizen who actually played soccer) hold very little market share within this organization and since soccer is not particularly popular among american men, they sell very little merch. I'm not sure where you are getting the $4 billion dollars of revenue generated considering some years they don't even qualify. In the USA soccer is incredibly unpopular and their merch sales are remarkably low...so is this ticket sales? I'm confused, please explain where the $4 billion comes from.
The women's team, while competing in a much smaller scale event, absolutely dominate the event. Their market share within the Women's World cup must be 100x larger than what the USA men mean to the World Cup.
Essentially, I'm wondering if this includes money generated through USA Women's National Team's "brand". As we learned from Disney's acquisition of Star Wars, ticket sales at a movie (or a game) are a fraction of what a brand's revenue generates. Women's USA Soccer is an infinitely stronger brand then men's. They sell more merch, they generate more ad revenue, and they market the hell out of themselves. Is this factored into the revenue equation? Or, is this not factored in because we are only talking about money generated specifically within the guise of the World Cup and its affiliates?
[–]Peglegbonesbailey8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats FIFA revenue, not US Mens team revenue iirc
[–]Pacattack572 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
FIFA has a pool of money from earnings and such where they use to do everything like buy ads, pay winners of tourneys etc. Obviously US women’s sells more jerseys then US Men’s but that’s not what we’re talking about.
The argument is they want to earn more money for tournament wins, not contractual payments from their clubs. When they play as a national team they are payed by fifa for placement, not by their clubs.
[–]tmajewski-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Obviously US women’s sells more jerseys then US Men’s but that’s not what we’re talking about.
This is a very important nuance. So, for the jersey's, ad rev., commercials, social media, and other things of the sort- is it agreed upon that the Women's team is producing a much higher revenue OVERALL through these channels?
And the argument at hand is simply discussing payment for tournament wins and tournament wins only? Is this accurate?
[–]Pacattack572 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No because you’re still confusing FIFA payments with team revenue. There is no national team revenue. Everything is sponsored by Nike or addidas or whoever is sponsoring them these days. No one is even looking at who makes more money for the sponsor because as you can imagine it would not be a good look for anyone to have that info leaked.
To answer you second question, yes that is the general idea.
[–]spandex-commuter0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's basically the argument the women's team is making. That they generate more revenue for US soccer yet are paid less then the men.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-womens-soccer-games-out-earned-mens-games-11560765600
[–]tmajewski2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well they definitely generate more revenue OVERALL. Franchising and merch included...I think that's got to be pretty undisputed, right? However, when comparing salaries specifically for participation in the Women's World Cup versus the Men's World Cup, I think it's pretty evident the men would make more just due to the scale of the event, regardless of their performance.
[–]spandex-commuter-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Right but the reason women sell more merch is they perform better then the men's team. US women's soccer is essential the reason that the women's World Cup does as well as it does. Per the article the Women's team generates more from games.
It seems pretty clear that the US women's team generates more revenue both in terms of merch and game revenue.
Edit I found an interesting article on the topic. Women do generate more revenue but its unclear if they are being paid less.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/jul/11/does-us-womens-soccer-team-bring-more-revenue-get-/
[–]MrMister19946 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Made Rapinoe look good in the cartoon.
[–]BananaWilly6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fair means women get the advantage or it isn't fair.
[–]TigPlaze6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You'll notice they didn't get upset when Jennifer Lawrence got paid more than Chris Pratt in Passengers, even though he had more lines and more screen time. Suddenly, feminists were able to use logic. Lawrence is a bigger star and will sell more tickets; therefore she got more. But when a male actor is in the same situation, suddenly, they have no logic and the female actress should get equal pay despite being less of a box office draw.
[–]LotBuilder5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they are equals they should play each other. Winner gets the higher payout.
[–]helloimderek5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love love love that Megan Rapinoe told Rachel Maddow the way we can support the soccer gender pay gap is "buy tickets, go to games, tune in on TV, buy jerseys" Lol so take our dollars and give them to you in exchange for a good or service? Sooo capitalism???
[–]charvo3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why women are bad at business in general. Any women calling for equal pay without looking at revenue and many other factors is just going to be disappointed in a free market system. This is why socialism is making a full charge in the USA with feminists (male or female) being way more in favor of it than right-minded people.
[–]NPC8083 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that purple hair cunt is the worst
[–]BTSNP4th2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Either lower women's share down to 9% or increase the men's share up to 13%, because equality!
Are you worried about the total revenue not being the same, tho? No problem! Just convince people that women are great and stuff.
[–]dialecticwizard2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depressing. The war for resources is on.
[–]TigPlaze2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you point out these facts and use logic that the men's team should be paid better, you'll be accused of misogyny. Feminism is not about facts. It's not about logic. It's about feelings ONLY. They feel that the women's team should make more; therefore it's so.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Post this EVERYWHERE. It's very simple math. The hamsters won't learn from it, but some simps might.
[–]THOTdestroyer_50001 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So, 55 times more revenue but should get same salary? Great. I'm CEO of my own company but I demand to get the same salary as Tim Cook.
[–]guiduck010 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now that's something to protest about. Jk protesting about anything in 1st world country is ridiculous
[–]jjjknj7-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women--$9490000
Men--$360000000
Men are still getting paid more
[–]MrMagtow1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rephrasing: Fighter pilots get paid more than glider pilots! It's unfair!
[–]spandex-commuter-4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
So the women's team generates more revenue then the men but are paid less, but according to this sub that doesn't count because of some bullshit reasons.
[–]iclutcha3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The prize money for the world cup is distributed by FIFA, and the revenue they generate is global. Men's soccer generates significantly more revenue globally. Outside the world cup, the two US teams are paid very similarly. The women's team has a salary, while the men's team is based on performance. The overall difference is not as significant as you think.
[–]spandex-commuter-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So the prize money is not what the lawsuit is about. The US lawsuit has shown that not all men's team generates more revenue then the women's teams. I doubt the Canadians men's team generates more money then the women's team. I tried to find out but Canada soccer doesn't disclose any numbers.
Also the US women's team is paid less. They are paid 11% less if they win a 20 game series but about the same if they loss the same 20 game series. Given that the American men's team regularly loses and the women's team regularly win this would work out to them being paid less for better performance.
It's also interesting to note that it's not just about the salary but the transportation, accommodations, playing fields, and less promotion of the women's team.
[–]iclutcha1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I am aware of what the lawsuit is about. The problem is, the numbers used in all major arguments are the FIFA prize money 400 vs 30 million. The 11% you mentioned which equates to something like 20-30 thousand per year is not as politically shocking.
As you stated, the difference in earnings outside of the world cup is not as significant. These agreements were done by different bargaining teams. The women's earnings are static while the men's vary on results. Seeing as the women's success is rather recent, I expect future agreements to be in favour of the women outside of the world cup.
[–]spandex-commuter-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
20-30k less a year is significant. I would be unimpressed if a colleague who under preformed was paided 20-30K more. Is it politically shocking? I don't know but that doesn't seem relevant.
What is true and at issue is that US soccer thought it was appropriate to pay the women's team less even thou they where bringing in more revenue and winning more games.
[–]iclutcha0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There is a difference though. These contracts were negotiated by different representatives. Additionally, when these contracts were signed the income the women were generating was not higher. As for the complaint that the women are now generating more and rewarded less; this is similar to rookie NBA players who often make significantly less money than they are worth. When their contract ends, they are able to negotiate much higher salaries.
I am not disagreeing with you that 20-30k is significant to them individually (And looking at the stats again, for an average player this is somewhere closer to 10k). That being said, if you gave them this difference, they would still be complaining due to the differences of the FIFA pay.
It is a structure of the NBA and other professional sports organization that they under pay/value rookie. One could argue that it encourages teams to take risks on unproven players but really it's just as you say an unfair practice that exploits young players. Applying that same logic to US soccer doesn't seem relevant. US soccers mission is to promote soccer it isn't to exploit players and generate more profit which is arguably the mission of other professionals organizations.
Also by saying if you paid them more they would just complain about the difference in pay between them and FIFA, seem like a way of never having to deal with the issue or to mitigate the feeling of exploiting people.
[–]iclutcha0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually, what I am saying is once you negotiate and agree to a contract your are bound by the terms. Once the terms are over, you are free to negotiate a new deal. We should not equate this to exploitation. Making $100k vs $110k is hardly exploitation.
My second point was not that it should be forgotten, but rather that giving the women a $10k raise would theoretically line them up to the men's salary, but would not stop the complaints. The fact of the matter is, the salary paid to both the men's and women's team is really low. The majority of their earnings come from prizes. The women just won the world cup, and all articles are comparing their $4 million prize to the $38 million that was awarded in Russia. They fail to mention that the 2018 world cup generated 50+ times more revenue than the 2019 women's world cup.
[–]spandex-commuter0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree the prize money in women's soccer needs to increase. If tennis can do it so can soccer.
[+]wonderingreasons-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The USA women’s team has and always will out perform the men on the national level. Winning more games, scoring more goals, making it further and further in tournaments, and winning the biggest event in their sporting field. The men can barely even qualify for the World Cup never mind get through the stages.
We are talking about revenue brought in my the female team, shirts sold, tickets bought, tuning in on TV, any and all types of merch these women have created.
How can you expect a woman who THE best in her field to get paid a lower salary than a LESS than average male who has zero tickets bought for them to watch them in a word cup because they can’t even get there. I see the whole argument about well let’s just have the males V females and see who comes out on top. But it utter BS. If the males aren’t successful in making it through to tournaments are they traveling, training, practicing, or putting the same amount of time into this as the women who are winning everything. What you don’t understand is that it’s not about who will win against each other it’s who deserves the right to be paid for the talent they posses, the insane amounts of revenue they bring in, the fan base, the inspiration to many other young women, the pride the country possess over this team, and the absolute time and effort put into being THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD.
Side note; I am not American.
[–]iclutcha4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
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Obviously the US Mens team is not going to perform as well as the US Womens team on the world stage. Male soccer has tremendous investment globally. Teams in Europe and South America have some of the best players in the world.
Being the best in a sport that noone watches does not justify earning the same as a team in a sport that is popular. If your viewpoint was correct, the best athlete in every sport would be paid the same amount (Soccer, Basketball, Tennis, Darts, Laser Tag, Yoyo). This is not how the world works. The prize money is larger for men because it is awarded by FIFA, and internationally the men's tournaments generate significantly more revenue.
[+]wonderingreasons-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The women’s World Cup final drew 22 percent more viewers than the Men’s World Cup final played between France and Croatia last year. It the most-watched soccer event in the U.S. since the 2015 women's final.
[–]iclutcha5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
More viewers in the United States. The US viewership does not dictate the FIFA prize money. You are missing the point.
[–]MrEctomy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you know a source for the viewership globally of men's vs. women's? I feel like this is the key to whether or not the pay differential is unjust or not.
[–]iclutcha1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Based on FIFA's numbers, the 2014 Mens world cup had 3.2 Billion views globally. The 2015 Womens world cup had 750 Million.
That being said, the viewership is not the only factor. The broadcasting rights for men's sports cost significantly more than for women.
The revenue generated from the 2018 FIFA world cup was over $5 billion. The 2019 Women's world cup generated less than $150 million. The percentage of prize money compared to revenue is actually higher for women than it is to men.
To pay the same ($400 million) prize to women, FIFA would actually be losing over $250 million.
[–]MrEctomy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brilliant, thank you.
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[–]Banned_For_Opinion5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The womens team that won the world cup got beat by a boys HS soccer team. It's almost like men are way more competitive than woman, on top of being physically superior............. Crazy thought, right?
[–]Nagi213 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You realize if the any of the US women were good enough to play in the actual World Cup they would already be doing that right. The only reason the women have won several is because they only have to play other women of their skill or less.
[–]Itsbbbitch1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Um, men win all of the World Cups, dumbfuck. FIFA World Cup championship is literally all men's teams. England, Portugal & Brazil are my top 3 sure-bet teams. What you meant to say is that a men's team from the USA has yet to win a World Cup, which is true ... because soccer is considered a sissy sport in America where they play football, hockey and lacrosse. Hence why American women have gravitated towards that sport since they are too weak and fragile to handle tackle sports like American men play.
But let's face facts and admit the truth for once in your life: You know nothing about sports. Your entire post was just a pathetic failed attempt to regurgitate the wrong information you got from your Twitter filter, just like every other feminist fraud on planet earth.
[–]Northern-Breeze1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Moron
[–]MGTOWrath1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you even know what a World Cup is? Literally every FIFA World Cup championship in history has been won by a men's team. How embarrassing for you.
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