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Is subverting feelz with hookers recommended?

April 23, 2016
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Some of us are lucky enough to have pretty much rolled double sixes in the genetic crapshoot. We got height or IQ or parents who were tradcon/monogamous and lifemates. Some of us might have gotten all of the above. The difficulty with MGTOW or TRP is not truly in its correctness for the guys like me. Its obviously correct. At 41 looking back I cant even recall how many women I turned down because I was seeing someone or had feelings for someone...or because they said they had a relationship. Well MGTOW/TRP convinced me. I now see exactly what I was lucky enough to be offered on a plate..and idealistic enough to accidentally ignored on purpose cause you have to be internally and spiritually faithful to your future child's mother. There is a Unicorn designated by God for each Christian lad among us. Yeah I know...sadsack bag of emocrap.

Here is my question... I can get the women, the plates as they are called here. Mostly just by starting to say 'sure, lets get go it' to the cheater females.

Problem is..its going to take years to completely flush out the pairbonding instinct. Is it reasonable from a MGTOW to engage with females..but whenever one starts to tug at your heart..go rent a hooker straightaway to help keep one cold hearted?

I've already gotten my vasectomy and life as a single man is the plan. No wives. No babies. But I know my own character. Is utilizing an escort to keep the males head right when dealing with a female you are dating/plating something reasonable?

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Title Is subverting feelz with hookers recommended?
Author Eidolon3436
Upvotes 3
Comments 40
Date April 23, 2016 6:01 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MGTOW
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[–]gundahir9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

pairbonding instinct ? cold hearted ? I had that before I fully internalized mgtow philosophy/truths. After doing so, this stuff got killed inside me. I pump and dump never looking back and ironically that behaviour makes you more attractive to them. Ridiculous creatures. Give them nothing but take everything you want from them.

[–]Morranaii4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hell yeah!

and yes its weird. the moment u realize u dont need them, they suddenly are more attracted. its crazy.

[–]Eidolon3436[S,🍰] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gundaheir that complete swallowing of the pill is the goal...basically I was raised to be a prude...and while I got over the religion part the emotional substrata and force of habit about treating girls like special snowflakes...it became a part of the self image. The gentleman. The chevalier. The Good Man.

Pretty naive lol.

[–]gundahir1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The indoctrination can run pretty deep ... usually so deep that people find themselves trapped in a marriage before realizing something is wrong with the story they have been told. You seem to have successfully avoided that. So you are on a very good way I think. Vasectomy is a big step and shows you are serious about this. I recommend getting a hooker at least once just for the kicks of it. We live once (probably), so why not try it out ( research about their hygiene in your country. In mine it is legal and they do very frequent check ups etc ). Then there should be dozens of women who hit the wall and are desperate that you can pump and dump. But i feel like once you swallow more pills you will see how little their value is and your thirst for them will be reduced a lot. At least that is what happened to me.

[–]codene158 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Surprised to see this many anti hooker comments in mgtow. Isn't a hooker exactly what a mgtow would want? Straight up honest woman (honest in this sense) trading money for a service. I think most Mgtow are more then ok with hookers

[–]Morranaii4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I dont understand this either.

You want feelings, and a warm cozy emotional tampon go ahead- indulge in your "normal classic relationship" with our great women!

[–]Eidolon3436[S,🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Morranii...that classical warm cozy blanket was the goal of the last relationship. I buried that when I got fixed. The Unicorn I thought I had found had baby rabies pretty hard. I am very lucky she decided to branch swing on me. VERY lucky. If she had been smart enough to go full Machiavelli..Id be learning to be a dad right now. I was making her wait..and boy was that wise!!

[–]DforDeadpool3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Go for it if you don't have moral concerns and have money. But after a while they will not satisfy you, most of them.

[–]User-31f64a4e4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What sort of "moral" concerns? How is this immoral, exactly? Because all sex should be in marriage? Because all payment for sex should be indirect?
The reason women and their worshippers consider hookers immoral is they undermine the agenda of women and weaken their negotiating position. Other women consider them turncoats and scabs in the battle between the sexes.
That isn't actually immoral.

[–]DforDeadpool1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It may not be immoral for you, but there are many people who'd think it's immoral because of their worldviews. As I said in my other response, if you discard religion and spirituality, this shit is moral. If those come in, it's immoral. A man with no religious and spiritual values can see it as moral and do it as he likes. A man with those said values can see it as immoral and still do it, or he can choose to not do it.

I used to do it, and I used to date women too, but now I'm abstaining. For a while, at least. I feel more happy and energetic, I deal with less bullshit and I keep more of my money to myself. Sure, it may not be for every man out there but it's my way, sort of the theme of MGTOW, I guess.

[–]Morranaii0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It may not be immoral for you, but there are many people who'd think it's immoral because of their worldviews

well then they have to suffer the consequences of having a diff world view, that's it.

just like being a mangina means that you have to suffer the consequences of being one! you CAN IGNORE REALITY but you CAN'T IGNORE CONSEQUENCES OF IGNORING REALITY!

and please don't mix religion AND spirituality, because the two often don't have much in common.

I am VERY into spirituality and it's so subjective that you can't say that it's also "immoral to visit call girls" because IT'S NOT FOR ME.

don't feel offended though, I am not attacking you - just sharing my POV. it's all in your own approach and mindset. sometimes a priest can be the biggest sinner, right? I've been a Buddhist for several years and I was even more into spirituality than I am now and I tell you this- you can go to anyone and if out of the meeting you gain happiness or share happiness, there isn't anything wrong with it. quite the opposite.

you don't have black and white morals like here, from one POV mother saving her life by doing abortion is IMMORAL, from other one - she is VERY moral, because she is saving her own life and then giving herself another chance of having another kid in the future. It's really very subjective and NOBODY holds an ultimate opinion here.

so, it comes to this: do whatever PLEASES YOURSELF. I get you that it's not moral for yourself - but then - you have to suffer consequences of it. and that's all.

[–]User-31f64a4e0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Religions may declare it haram, but that still fails to explain or justify it being moral or immoral. I suppose morality applies for those who defind moral as "whatever it says in the holy writ"; but for anyone who evolves past the rudimentary stages of moral development that doesn't really hold.

[–]Morranaii0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly. Immoral for whom, as if both sides agree to the transaction and doing it because they WANT TO DO IT.

[–]Morranaii1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

what sort of morals we can have in times when women have none my friend? besides visiting escorts doesn't hurt morals, only your wallet. ;) but normal women do this, too. and trust me, they are worse in oral ;)

[–]DforDeadpool0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not about women, it's about you. If you're religious, for instance, it's not really good to visit escorts. If not, do what you want to do and ignore women's john-shaming ;P

[–]Morranaii0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

well if you are religious that's just your choice. as with everything else in life.

besides, if you're religious you ought to marry and what you're even doing in this sub? :p

either be 100% religious, or don't be at all. people just cherry picking what they want from their religion because it's obviously not possible to keep up with every absurd requirement.

[–]DforDeadpool0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

besides, if you're religious you ought to marry and what you're even doing in this sub? :p

I'd marry in we lived in an ancient, religious community. Want me to count the perks?

  • You get to marry with multiple women (Judaism, Christianity, Islam).

  • Divorce is socially, or sometimes literally lethal for women so they just can't rob you and get away with it.

  • Fuck equality, your home your rules, like how it's supposed to be.

  • Good women = Pretty and submissive women who'd make good mothers. Not strong independent queernoncisfluidmodegayfryingpanfaggotsexual womyn as they're trying to brainwash people into believing this is good. Or not sluts.

  • Fucking around and being a slut is social suicide for women.

  • Having good morals yields better results (compared to the world nowadays).

I can even further the cons but it's enough for now.

either be 100% religious, or don't be at all. people just cherry picking what they want from their religion because it's obviously not possible to keep up with every absurd requirement.

Instead, I'm 100% amused to see people trying to force their own thinking to other people, especially in this sub.

I may not be perfect but who is? Life is not black and white.

[–]oldredder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sensing a slogan coming on!

"If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!"

"If she's only doing oral it must be moral!"

[–]jebthecybersoldier3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do what you can afford, make sure you don't get an STD, and make sure there is clear proof of consent. When sex robots come out, buy one. It will be well worth the investment.

[–]Eidolon3436[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm planning on wiring my studio/flat up for VR and cams in the near future. Bugging my own place is a funny thought but makes 100% sense.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sure, but they are overpriced in the west (considering that it's cheaper to hire a half decent lawyer worth his weight!). Maybe relocate to Asia? Make your cash work harder, etc.

[–]csehszlovakzeThe Hungarian2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

here it's cheap and legal as well :)

[–]RichardBelmont2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Like all things in life, I say try it and see what happens for you. Unless you're trying to pay off debt, get that squared away first.

From my experience, if you see the same hooker too many times, the "pairbonding instinct" can happen with there too. The only difference is you know it's a bad idea.

[–]donut-of-doom1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Deny them your essence.

[–]Morranaii0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

YES, IT IS REASONABLE!!!

[–]oldredder0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Problem is..its going to take years to completely flush out the pairbonding instinct.

It doesn't. It takes self-realization that women aren't worth it or are lying to you so you have it without them having it - and in my case add in some drugs. Certain drugs can kill it. Your choice not to do them, that's fine, but it sped up the process for me. Cocaine alters the motivation responses of the brain and morphine permanently changes pain/pleasure response and locks down a lot of emotions. In short time, with self-awareness of reality, you cut off the drugs and you don't revert emotionally.

But I know my own character. Is utilizing an escort to keep the males head right when dealing with a female you are dating/plating something reasonable?

I'm not sure if that even works at all. I think it may be quasi-random.

[–]Eidolon3436[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oldredder....you gotta realize..I'm a "talker". I like to talk and communicate with my fucks. Sometimes I have so much fun talking to them I never get around to fucking them. This isnt even a slight exaggeration. It has literally happened. As far as drugs...roger that dude. I got an older lifelong bachelor friend (also ex-mil) who had a vasectomy (though his was in his 20s) and he's fond of "hookers and crack" when he gets a wild hair. His advice has been most helpful.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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