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[–][deleted] 233 points234 points235 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
A woman is on our side.....wait.... She is doing it for the internet flex. She's a "Men's rights activist"
[–]DeplorableToast123 points124 points125 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Nah .. the panic is setting in!
Too little, too late!
[–]MuayThaiYogi35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
We need not their opinion or involvement in our way of life/philosophy. These are just attempts to infiltrate and inject themselves into MGTOW spaces. Be gone THOT!!! You are better off without us, we are better off without you.
[–]InhaleItBoy22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, we need women to stand up against the current status quo. Only they can inspire change and provoke meaningful debate among women. There are women on the fence who will chose to get back to stability, and the more these numbers grow the sooner our sons can reap the benefits.
As an MGTOW you have to stand up for their rise back to stability, as they stand up for us so that humanity and society can slowly course correct. We're both getting f****. And this compromise is a long road with concessions
[–]MuayThaiYogi5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate your input and value your opinion for sure. However, they can remain on the fence as far as I'm concerned. What other men choose to do is their own decision to make. I for one do not believe that they seek a course correction, but rather superiority and not equality. Most seek not to live in harmony, but to sow chaos if given the opportunity. Both men and women have strayed far from who we once were. MGTOW is a way for us to cultivate ourselves. As I scroll through the posts, I see men who have embraced art, craft, language, ingenuity and masculinity having grown resulting in becoming better men. (It may be the women I see) I do not see women seeking to find themselves by constructive means, instead I see the pursuit of endless fun, free everything and a general lack of accountability. To be fair, the women I see have nothing in common other than gender and the fact that they exist on this planet. You're right, we are fucked. As a practitioner of yoga, balance is the key to growth and experience. Without balance, all will remain in chaos. That includes the genders as well as nature. The work we must do to course correct starts within ourselves and that is MGTOW. Who knows, maybe one day we will find harmony, for now I am content on my own. I will end on this note. One of the definitions of "compromise" is to accept standards that are lower than desirable. I believe we as men have done this for far too long and must be careful for our sons and their sons not to repeat the same course if balance is to ever be restored.
[–]InhaleItBoy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure, I'm with you on that this is for self help. Do as you please, I sure will. And how could you have anything in common with a woman, they don't have the same needs, passions and interests even if you'd share a hobby. Surely you can see beyond the social media chaos and the portrayal of women that are presented? To every 1 woman that at least tries to aim for stability there might be 20 who don't. And compromise is up to you to take as you will, but being that judgmental as you've been and not even considered the opposite. That is the compromise, don't give away yourself, but compromise on your hurtful beliefs. You we're raised by a family and even if there's but a 10% chance to continue that cycle, I'd do it in a heartbeat, cause the best thing in life has been my family, my time and 2 people who'll be my friends for life. All else is irrelevant to me
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[–]MuayThaiYogi0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, women are after superiority and not equality...not what I was saying at all...
[–]I-am-the-lul1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Unless loads of women push for changes to the laws to make things fairer for men, things won't improve for us on the legal front, but outside of virtue signalling, these anti-(third wave)feminists sin't gonna do shit for us.
[–]InhaleItBoy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lay off the media, it's not so black and white as in everyone's third wave, anti this, or pro that. There's normal people too
[–]Thekidseateverything0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stuckey has been an advocate for traditional marriage for a loooong time. Best thing I ever did was introduce my teenage daughter to her podcast. It's anti-insanity medication.
[–]NexusInd18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
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This woman works for tradcuck pragerU. TFM did a video about her saying this exact shit.
[–]Spezzit0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Better than________? Whores will be whores, yourself included.
[–]NexusInd1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually you might want to get to know people before you go around calling someone a whore. 1st off, I'm a dude. 2nd off, i can count on one hand how many partners i've had. None were one night stands and all 4, i was with for more than a month before we did the deed but i got redpilled at 21 and haven't been with a woman since.
[–]RockOfWar6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
She's your average trad-thot from Prager U. She seems to want all the benefits of traditionalism without being a traditional stay-at-home mother.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-kxdyJs6y8
[–]RockOfWar0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So it's a bad deal for a man and any man would be foolish to enter marriage with a woman like this. Traditionalism is long dead. True traditionalism was patriarchal. The sexes had a balance of power with consequences of acting on their nature. There were consequences for women acting on their hypergamy instinct, just as there were consequences for men acting on their dominance instinct. It was balanced. This woman seems to want to go back to that, but not back to the consequences on actions that traditionalism had in place.
[–]DeeDoFie3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We want women to hear us!
women hears them
She's faking it for support!
[–]Spezzit2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TROOF!
[–]Bug_Girl_Here0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah, now can you turn that thinking back around to the complaints about men being supposedly on the side of women?
[–]Redhood616127 points128 points129 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Despite this being true and studies proving the significance of fathers, single moms, feminists and the sjws will never admit to it.
[–]bobbiscotti31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They know. They are intentionally trying to destroy our culture and our families.
[–]723updatebrokenaf1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe the radicals are. But you have radicals on both sides projecting their views loudly so I don’t think you should let the crazies get to you. But I know a lot of feminists from who I went to school with. I live in a very liberal area, but despite that I mostly see the usual “just let me live my way and you live yours”.
After all, both sides feel they are being attacked. So if you just stop accusing them, they’ll stop accusing you.
[–]RaspberryJamMaam1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A sane person! I know that a lot of people say they hate feminism, but I'm 95% sure that what they really hate is Radical feminism
[–]ArgentinaCanIntoEuro1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And most feminists are actually out to defend Men's Rights as well, such as the inequality in the court and justice system.
[–]723updatebrokenaf0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the disagreement comes from the “why”. One side believes that masculinity is biological. Another side believes masculinity is cultural. (And there is also the radicals on both sides of course that take things to extremes) The reality is probably somewhere in between. Testosterone plays a big part, but valuing toughness(and all traits typically perceived as masculine) does too.
Can a woman value toughness? Sure. Does she naturally produce the testosterone that will lead to higher levels of aggressiveness and confidence? No brainer question.
And if you agree with my line of thinking, there’s one more question. Where’s the middle ground?
Side note: the why could also just be because of having two parents vs 1. I grew up with a mom and a dad. Dad died a few years back. Now I notice a lot of changes. Sometimes I wonder how it would be the other way around. But ultimately I just settle on it would be the same but different, if that makes any sense at all.
[–]Crankshaft133777 points78 points79 points 4 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
Internet post isn't even close to enough. Fix divorce laws. Fix tax laws. Let us unionize. Child birth confirmed by DNA testing. Stop telling us when we call out people for their actual behaviors its shaming or continue on with low child rates and you and your future can dawn sharia law or Chinese law. Best wishes.
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[–]zharifg0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no dude, marriage is a biggest, if not up there on top of being an adult muslim i would like to think. a lot of them parents all over the world worried for their unmarried son/daughter..
[–]JohnStevens14-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit y’all are insane
[–]Wifeashamedofme3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
“Chinese law”
Highly unlikely. EastAsians have even lower birth rates Than Europeans. China’s birth rate has already collapsed even with the one child policy removed.
[–]Crankshaft13371 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Do you have a link or resource for this? Not calling you out just want to stay up to date.
[–]KryptoGot1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
These are some
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2182963/chinas-birth-rate-falls-again-2018-producing-fewest-babies
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?locations=CN
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/CHN/china/birth-rate
[–]Crankshaft13370 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you.
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[–]Crankshaft13370 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Making a claim and not providing any info is rude and lazy
[–]Wifeashamedofme0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
i didn’t provide links because I assumed the East Asian terminally low birth rates have been common knowledge on the news.
[–]Phantom_Spark57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with it being too late. Denial, Anger, Bargaining.
Once the effects of the wall set in they reach the stage of Depression. This mental health deteriorates and there is heavy drug use.
Finally for those who make it out of depression is some semblance of acceptance. However at that point in life... Whamen are too broken to do anything about it. They built their life on an unstable foundation and no amount of work will maintain the attention of high value men.
This is all her statement amounts to.
[–]IkemenKyoushi2350 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chameleons on the rise because Christmas is coming, don't fall for it people.
[–]GoodMan_Gone37 points38 points39 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I misread her last name. Still not interested in virtue signalling.
[–]kuluba30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i couldn’t agree more, when i was 16 my dad left for a year and i turned into a completely different person. i’d lie and lie to my mom to the point of her crying every single night. i got into drugs which made it so much worse. i finally decided to grow up and go live with my dad and i’ve never been so behaved and done so well in school in my entire life. i’ve always said that younger children absolutely need their mothers. but once they hit teenage years they’ll need their father.
[–]not_really_neutral23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Masculinity isn't toxic, feminism is.
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[–]InhaleItBoy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Both extreme's are in the wrong, we men need women, as they need us. There's no birth of life without it. MGTOW as in watch out and walk alone. And when you think you've found love, remember being in love is for women, loving is for men. Don't fall for being in love, ever...
[–]mgtow-philosophy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Men need women? Funny I’m fine on my own. Perhaps you mean men need women to raise a family? Again not true. Plenty of thots have kids and give them up to adoption. A man should adopt even if he wanted a women so she can’t take away the kid. So how exactly do men need women?
[–]redditonlyonce1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You wouldn’t exist without a woman having given birth to you. You may be in some indisputable denial about things in your life, but being realistic should be a top priority, always.
[–]mgtow-philosophy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So a woman gave birth to me many many years ago. If that is the only need then the need has expired. Gotta be something more then that to back up your statement.
[–]redditonlyonce0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s not how that works. Don’t be so dense.
[–]InhaleItBoy-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't need to be nothing else to back it up. Nature has a job, and some wish to fulfill this position gladly. It's a risk, it's gonna hurt at times, it's definitely going to suck at times, but having your own kid and raising it in a family environment is worth more than getting along with your partner being lovey dovey for 50 years cause it's not that black and white. Not among people, were filled with contradictions
You do you though, and that's it. If you'll never want it then fine. Just don't be so upset about it all, it's only life
[–]david563870 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From the first time I ever heard it (about 10 years of age), I thought "falling in love" felt like I was stumbling over an invisible obstacle. Now at 70 and being mgtow for about 5 years, I realize, that obstacle was actually there. It was my individuality and personal freedom. Woeful wrong and ignorant I was, joyfully informed I am. "Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels."
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[–]InhaleItBoy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did I mention these were the extremes?
[–]RaspberryJamMaam0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism is literally the equality of genders. Not toxic. Radical feminism, though...
[–]Bpinchosrep15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don’t fall for the chameleon fellas.
[–]These-arent-my-pants10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unpopular opinion over a feminist dating strategy.
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[–]Tyler7892287 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a chameleon. She says what men want to hear to trap us.
[–]AllmightBlack9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
SORRY , I DONT TRUST THIS SNATCH SAYING SHIT TO ME. she just wants someone to raise her kids and pay for her lifestyle
[–]TrueItUp7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Devil in disguise
[–]Copypastable6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you think she's on our side, just ask: "Is she still wearing makeup?"
[–]Autonomous_Freeman6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Chameleon alert! Conservatism is yet another way to exploit men for the benefit of women, working yourself like a slave for an ungrateful housewife.
[–]P3RF3CT_D3ATH0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Traditionalism (the non-patriarchal kind) and feminism are just two sides of the same gynocentric coin.
[–]Nestroit2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the mother is there to make him a sandwich, the father is there to show him how to become a good man.
[–]ChilledEfilist1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Now that's simply too much common sense for the average feminist hater.
[–]david56387-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I believe what you meant was ..." Now that's simply, too much common sense, for an average feminist hater.
[–]Gabagaba620 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What is toxic masculinity?
[–]Chaos_LightDark1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get this internalized misogyny outta here! /s
[–]YungSlungandHung[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
u/tvking6789 gave me platinum.....had to shout him out
[–]Wardedbilledanteater0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Its better to have a two parent home.
[–]RaspberryJamMaam1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course!
[–]ohchristworld0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s called discipline. Guess who does that in the nuclear family? The man. The dad almost always has to be the bad guy, mostly because he has been there before.
In households without no dad, males are worshipped by the females — most notably the mother. Nothing their boys do is ever wrong. I don’t know how many single moms I see who worship their kids like they are omnipotent. It’s honestly pathetic.
There’s a reason why our society long valued the nuclear family. It’s because it produced a stronger society.
[–]Jar_Jar_blinks_1821 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Being there before doesn’t mean he should do it to his child. Why would you put your own kid through the shit you had to deal with as a kid? I’m not happy from child hood trauma it didn’t make me a better person. If I could choose I would like to keep my kid safe and away from the things I’ve dealt with.
Nuclear family produced fathers who were cold and distant. You think it looks strong, but it’s quite the opposite. Showing feeling is human and difficult to do. Why would I want my child to see me as a cold distant father?
[–]Srg_0010 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Coming from a girl lol I love it
[–]Srg_0010 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah and that’s her having an opinion on it lol you’re the stupid one
[–]SillySocrates0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Smart woman.
[–]SprinterLyfe0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In my dream world, Allie gets to live.
[–]MelGibsonTheTractor0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think we can all agree that missing a parent in the household can have major downsides on a child’s mental health throughout their entire lives. Though I must disagree that lack of masculinity in America is to blame. There is plenty of it, no one is shunning guys for it, and if they are they’re the ones in the wrong not you. Toxic Masculinity exists and runs rampant, hurting non-masculine men and women. No man should be held to standards in the same way a woman shouldn’t be. Toxic Masculinity exists in the frat boys vs nerd subplots, the undeserving men thinking they deserve it all, the saying nice guys finish last, the struggle that single men face, and many more. You have to admit it exists before we can fix it. We need more support and acceptance in society not masculinity.
[–]purplebank0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She has a dick or it’s just for irl karma
[–]MisterioBerlin0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
old but gold
[–]NotsoGrump230 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont believe it's a matter of masculinity or no masculinity.
It's a matter of the right kind of masculinity and the wrong kind of masculinity.
[–]SkepticalAqcuiesce0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Masculinity in of itself isn't toxic but there's a form of masculinity that is toxic
[–]ShineInThePines0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Facts.
[–]hatchetman090 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This society needs to crumble only out of the ashes we can start over. If we can't recover than tough shit.
She's doing it for the lulz
[–]loneliness-inc0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]satoukage0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Masculinity isn’t toxic. No one wants to destroy masculinity. “Toxic masculinity” isn’t referring to masculinity itself being toxic. Toxic masculinity refers to the enforcement of cultural masculine norms that are harmful to mostly men but also women. Any men’s rights activist should therefore be against toxic masculinity, but you guys like to ignore the actual meaning of the term. Most of the previously mentioned cultural masculine norms are things that are highly offensive to men, like that men should be excused for rape because they’re basically just wild animals who can’t control themselves.
[–]0x173f0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There are very few women whom I have a hard time disbelieving whenever they stand up for men's issues, namely: Janice Fiamengo and Karen Straughan. Some serious women with years and years of actual, honest speech in favor of men. And one common trait is that these women are outspoken anti-feminists. They set the bar for me, when it comes to even listening to what a woman has to say.
Any woman who does not openly confess to being an anti-feminist, is just another virtue signalling thot trying to infiltrate male space. You can come, bitch, but you shall have no say in anything and you're gonna like it.
[–]butchcranton0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Toxic Masculinity" refers to a pathological form of masculinity. It's does not imply that all forms of masculinity are pathological.
[–]VagabondLonewolf0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey OP i know i would get downvoted ,but don't try to post stuff from these TRADTHOTS.
She is never yours, its just your turn.
[–]helllllyeah11120 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is so fucking stupid
Its not that masculinity itself is toxic. Kids who grow up without dads dont have a good example of what real masculinity looks like, so they end up learning what being a man means from our fucked up society aka "toxic" masculinity.
,,,,or, not having parents is a bad situation. The trauma of that is what gives them their issues
[–]celialater0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not all masculinity is toxic, that is all
[–]clce0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Reminds me of a book I saw. I think it was a famous one about 12 years ago. A male psychologist. Somethi8ng like boys in crisis. He says that boys are in crisis because they have not learned to act more like women essentially. Only problem is, why were they not in crisis before and they only are now all of a sudden? Maybe it is all this vilification of masculinity that is the problem, not masculinity in itself, which has worked for thousands of years.
Masculinity and femininity are preprogrammed systems that work in tandem simply because, evolutionarily, humans would die otherwise. For animals and neolithic humans, they work great. For complex, emotive and sensitive human beings, not as well.
We've surpassed the need for these gendered traits, but the worst of the traits come out when in stressed, unguided situations.
If a male had ill-trained masculinity 30-1000 years ago, they were marked as expendable, roped into the militia, or at least shoved into a corner where most people don't think about.
Adopting femininity is a viable solution, but one only recently discovered because of the pushes in equality and non radical feminism. That's why the issues are only showing up now.
There's nothing wrong with masculinity, it's just the shouting and fighting over it that's causing it to malfunction. Once the dust clears, I doubt there'll be such an unreasonable link between masculinity and these identity-crises
[–]BetterHimThanMe0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Allie ain't no ally.....
[–]Aszebenyi0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are confusing masculinity with toxic masculinity. They are not the same.
[–]tpaduan0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
WOW!!!! what a shitty argument
[–]Ginger-Pikey0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She’s a keeper
[–]myshinyerectiom0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Noone says ALL masculinity is toxic
There's just more awareness of what toxic masculinity IS and how to avoid it
[–]Remainselusive0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
26 of the 27 deadliest mass shooters in the U.S. grew up without fathers.
[–]RaspberryJamMaam-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How many had terrible mothers after their dads left?
How many mass shooters are there that had no father, but a loving, caring mother?
How many of those shooters had preexisting mental disorders?
Its not the lack of masculinity that caused the shootings, but a lack of general support
[–]SleeplessPr1nce0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's not what toxic masculinity is. No one is saying that all masculinity is toxic. No one is saying that men shouldn't be masculine or should grow up without their fathers. Only crazy, fringe, radical terfs would ever assert that. Toxic masculinity is, for example: "I like cooking". My male friend responds: "you can't like cooking, that's bitch work; dudes who like to cook are just pussies".
That's toxic masculinity; it's when masculinity goes too far, or becomes restrictive, or is used as a way to shame someone, in some way. Another example: "stop crying; men don't cry". That's all toxic masculinity is. Any questions?
No questions. Just would like to say that feminism is just gender equality with a slightly deceiving name. Radical feminism is what has issues, where equality is breached
[–]underscorewarrior0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“Rain isn’t acidic. I opened my mouth in a storm today and it was delicious”
Rain isn’t acidic
Acid rain is acidic
Masculinity isn’t toxic
Toxic masculinity is toxic
It’s really quite a simple concept lmao
[–]JamesunJacks0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think there needs to be a good balance. I have personally grown up without much of a father, and was raised entirely by a single mother. In some ways I have prospered as a man, I know how to tell the difference between being nurturing and being weak, I know what I want to be as a man (everything my father isnt. Irresponsible, alcoholic, close minded, ETC.) But in other ways not having one has caused significant damage that im trying to work on myself.
I think what is a more appropriate and factual statement is that boys (girls too) need the family dynamic. A boy needs the father to show him what responsibility, bravery, courage, wisdom, and strength is. At the same time a boy needs the mother to show him what love, compassion, nurture and emotion is. If you leave a boy isolated with just one parent, they run the risk of either becoming too effeminate (if the mother is a mess and doesnt have the skills to take the place of the father in certain aspects), or becoming too cold and apathetic (if the father is an asshole who doesnt have the emotional capabilities to take the place of the mother in certain aspects).
Being effeminate ... is a risk?
[–]thixotropes0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Toxic Femininity is is the real problem. Period.
Feminism - Everyone gets what they put in in society, gender equality, good times
Radical Feminism - If you are male, you are entitled to a slow and painful death
Really, toxic anything is a problem
[–]thixotropes0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s a nice definition but gender equality implies male and female are equal and nothing is further from the truth.
[–]brodstruj350 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is missing the point. The issue is with the way we practice masculinity, not whether or not it’s within a kids life. No feminist would ever suggest a kid grow up without two parents.
[–]jamesharding80 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, kids without fathers are more likely to be drug addicts; alcohol abusers, school shooters, commit more crime, commit more violent crime etc!
Came here to say that there’s a big difference between masculinity and toxic masculinity. For example, would you rather have an extremely abusive father, or no father at all?
I wholeheartedly agree that men should be part of their families. That’s masculinity. That’s not toxic. What is toxic is when men subject the household into domestic abuse, or when raising a child, the attempt to try and get their child to abide by stereotypes.
[–]Terker20 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is wrong on multiple levels.
Toxic masculinity doesn't assert that all men are toxic.
Children without fathers are well in line, when it comes to happiness and succes as families with a father and a mother.
The children that suffer more come from single parent families that obviously suffer from economic hardships.
[–]philipthurthy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is totally I wish I could have lived with my father my mother is just sadly crazy
[–]finallyanadult10040 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay that's something I guess. But we're not saying all men are victims of toxic masculinity
[–]Jazeboy69-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s almost like raising kids requires two people that are different. Crazy concept in 2019 co spidering it takes a male and female in all mammals but somehow the left thinks male and female isn’t really a thing anymore.
Masculinity and Femininity are evolutionary scripts that worked perfectly up until we got past the Paleolithic era, where then some cracks started to show. Society has advanced enough that masculinity and femininity no longer fully embody the complex, empathetic human beings we are now. Male and Female only remain as necessities for reproduction. Past that, let's just live our lives
[–]TETHTONE-4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This bitch needs to get off Twitter and get back in the kitchen.
[+]tomberry5-10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That is not what toxic masculinity means. Like...this tweet totally missed the point
[–]Lavnin_Hakruv0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Toxic femininity? How many people are raped, murdered and beaten everyday because of toxic femininity?
[+]SavageRancor-25 points-24 points-23 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
That's due to poverty of a single income household. Not the absence of a male.
Also toxic masculinity =/= masculinity. Masculinity isnt toxic. But not being able to cry and bottling you your feelings is a toxic trait that makes do dramatically more than females
[–]whyserenity16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Wow you are dumb. Single mothers are given boatloads. In some states they are given the equivalent of $60k or more in benefits. So money has nothing to do with anything here.
[–]richlad7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the guy wants to repurpose poverty as inability to manage the money, plan expenses, set priorities right and just spend less on useless things which won't be producing any ROI.
But yea, if you spend based on what it makes you feel now instead of what it will help you get in future, you are sure to end up losing all money.
[–]Agent-Isaac0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My mum is given nothing by the government, works over 40 hours a week with overtime at home, lived through two abusive relationships, and I love her to death for it.
But sure, we'll just say that every family needs a dad and all other situation are only because of lack of masculinity
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[–]NohoTwoPointOh0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did your studies compare and contrast outcomes with single fathers versus single mothers? I’ll bet the answer is ‘no’ because it would skew the narrative.
[–]redditor_aborigine9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's untrue. Single motherhood correlates with crime better than all other known factors, including race and socioeconomic status.
[–]Terker20 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes due to poverty and having to provide 200% of childraising labour when you are on your own. Most maried couples have a hard time with that already.
[–]redditor_aborigine0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's pure speculation as to the cause.
People legitimately are out here proclaiming that single parent children are failing due to lacking the male essence in their upbringing, but sure this seems far more unlikely. Also my claim is backed up by the findings of the Millennium cohort study
[–]carlsberg247 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What kind of poverty are we talking about? As long as children have enough to eat and clothes on their back, the amount of money their family has is of little relevance. There aren't very many children in the Western world who don't have the basic necessities at a level that would stunt their growth. The issue is that a lack of a father figure has a very measurable effect in outcomes independent of monetary status.
Monetary status isn't necessarily the cause, though. It's more how well a child is raised, which is much easier with two people than one
It's more about how a child is raised, which relies heavily on how many people are raising the child
You are absolutely right. And if not poverty, just the stress of raising a child on your own is enough
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