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It's a cosmic joke that MGTOW become alpha by nature.

August 25, 2018

I don't care what you look like. You could have a hunchback, be 300 lbs overweight, or be missing half your fucking face. If you've manned up and decided to become MGTOW, you are by default grooming yourself into an alpha male.

Think about it for a second. The cornerstone of MGTOW is self improvement. Doing something to better yourself in some way every single day. It starts by dropping your bad habits. Then you feel a need to get in better shape. And you know, you have been wanting to read that new book you got.

Because you aren't hemorrhaging money on some broad, you start tucking some away here and there. Feels good when you buy your first MGTOW treat doesn't it? You keep it up and time moves on as it does. Suddenly it's been three years without a long term parasite attached to your wallet.

You didn't think about it earlier, but damn your body is looking good. A quick look at the bank account makes you crack a smile, you like seeing 7 digits on that summary. Pretty soon you can retire and pick up that hobby you've learned all about in your reading.

Women see this, they see how good you look. They see how purposed your stride is, maybe they even catch you riding around in your MGTOWmobile. The other day some young, fit ass crossed the street just to comment on your car. But you don't have time for that, you're a man, and you got places to be.

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Title It's a cosmic joke that MGTOW become alpha by nature.
Author ManIsWalking
Upvotes 185
Comments 32
Date August 25, 2018 10:08 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MGTOW
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/its-a-cosmic-joke-that-mgtow-become-alpha-by.503613
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/9a5rmb/its_a_cosmic_joke_that_mgtow_become_alpha_by/
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[–]Bazat9183 points84 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Who cares about this lame catergories? Alpha, beta? Fuck that.

[–]Sir_manalot54 points55 points  (7 children) | Copy Link


Alpha and beta are terms that are only useful for women and men who are wishing to become what women want.

These terms are irrelevant when you want to become what you want and useless for categorizing other men.

A "beta" can be an amazing bro and many men would be far happier being "betas" then alphas.

To be clear, tons of men that are labeled as alpha are more pussy obsessed then any beta and alphas are the men who gave women power though feminism in the first place and are often the ones who hire women over men (they want pussy and do not give a fuck about there fellow brothers).

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These so called alphas are always dead first and contribute nothing to the hierarchy that develops naturally in nature.

The current label of "alpha" is nothing more than containers that keep us socially jailed from mental, physical, and spiritual freedom.

If you want a good example of this, take a look at the current black culture.

[–]Sir_manalot7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Historically, alphas were useless to the point that they were often killed or kicked out of society.

We only value them so highly because a large portion of society is pussy obssessed to the point that sex is the only thing that matters.

As soon as society moves away from pussy pedestization, nobody is going to see the characteristics of an alpha something vtp strive for at all.

I mean, could you imagine a modern alphas living in the Ghengis Khan era? He will be killed off by one of his soldiers immediately...and his soldiers would be considered beta im our modern age (honorable, loyal, etc).

[–]race_car7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Alpha and beta are terms that are only useful for women and men who are wishing to become what women want.

I strongly disagree. Life is a competition for resources.

[–]Sir_manalot8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

For men, life is a competition to gather resources to attactive a mate.

An individual man does not need all that much to survive.

Also, betas have a much easier time gathering resources then alphas do (beta bux is bux for a reason). Being alpha is only advantagous to get more pussy.

To be clear, there are deadbeat alphas, criminal alpahs, rich alphas, traduck alphas, poor alphas, etc. Alphas do not earn more then betas in the modern age, they just talk and act bigger then there socially equivalent beta.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Being alpha is only advantagous to get more pussy.

Physical attractiveness has been shown to influence some pretty significant social aspects of peoples lives beyond sex, including their friends and even how much they earn. Whether you are chasing women or not, society naturally values alpha males so it's always in your best interest to be alpha. If men don't want to play that game then fine, but it's important to realize what's at stake.

[–]Sir_manalot3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Physical attractiveness has nothing to do with being alpha.

Most employers (and most men) dislike men with alpha traits.

To be clear, there is a reason that alpha men are mostly at the top or bottom of the hierarchy. As you have to have power to act alpha or men will take you down.

In order to gather power and allies, it is better to act beta until you have a foothold then act alpha to those that are inferior and beta to those that are superior. But even then, being alpha burns bridges and makes you unnecessary enemies.

[–]Vlad_the_imp_hailer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

”Beta is the new alpha.”

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yea, millenial, etc - i do wonder why some people just like to be named in a box like that

[–]jonnytechno80 points81 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

One of the main principles of being alpha is the "does not bow" mentality which epitomises MGTOW to a tea... We will not bow to the idiocracy of female behavior & government coercion, we will find our own way, alone if necessary; to avoid hypergamy & manipulation

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And alone I will be, it doesn't matter.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The moment you become a master of your lust, you truly become become the fucking player. Now no wymyn can control and manipulate you through her sexual dimension, which means they cannot control you at all. You go, motherfucker! The world of serenity, preserving your integrity, and building your independence standa wide open for you!

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My stance is, that my goals are not to be traded with by anyone or anything. I don’t let anyone, male or female, trade my egoism for theirs. First it’s me. Then the rest.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't even have to improve yourself for this to apply.

Do your own thing, be authentic to yourself. Whether it's being in the gym 24/7, writing some clean lines of code, playing a sport, playing a game, being creative in some way, drinking beer, shooting guns, whatever the fuck you do, just do it. Follow your path. Don't do it for the glory or the attention and never compromise yourself.

That's all it takes. Too many people on these men's subs get "alpha" confused with "perfect."

[–]BalancingVices14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, we're on the right path, but let's not kid ourselves: women aren't pegging unknown MGTOW as alphas, but as betabuxes.

Yeah, we've got a lot of money and good health and maybe even a tough mentality, but that's what women also look for in their ATM+mr. fix-its.

Women can temporarily catch the feels for a man with a chiseled face, a tall, trained body and an attitude, but that's about it. Everybody else is a mere utility at best.

Attention from women is no prize, because for most men it only means you're deemed to be an acceptable handbag.

That's the primary reason to GYOW in the first place.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I look back to before I went my own way, I do have alot more confidence and alot less weight these days.

[–]Aegis161811 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've noticed this, too! Once you start focusing on becoming more successful in a variety of ways, having respect for yourself, and stop giving a fuck what women think, you by definition display many alpha traits.
MGTOW for the win!

[–]Iperovic9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Friends this summer: "How did you afford a 3000e trip this summer"

Me: "Because unlike you morons, i don't spend money on an ungrateful bitch who demands free shit because she's a woman"

[–]lister7779 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sigma, not alpha, but indeed.

[–]georgesoyros8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You probably mean well, but it's on the edge of TRP talk.

MGTOW is for all men out there. Rich, poor, skinny, fat, fit, slow, etc. Some men choose to improve, some men choose to let go of expectations.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, it cultivates an IDGAF attitude which people are drawn to because it is relaxing to be around.

[–]ColdStoryBro6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We are sigma males. The hierarchy does not matter us. Modern societal values mean little to us. Logic and self preservation is everything.

Thereupon many statesmen and philosophers came to Alexander with their congratulations, and he expected that Diogenes of Sinope also, who was tarrying in Corinth, would do likewise. But since that philosopher took not the slightest notice of Alexander, and continued to enjoy his leisure in the suburb Craneion, Alexander went in person to see him; and he found him lying in the sun. Diogenes raised himself up a little when he saw so many people coming towards him, and fixed his eyes upon Alexander. And when that monarch addressed him with greetings, and asked if he wanted anything, "Yes," said Diogenes, "stand a little out of my sun."[7] It is said that Alexander was so struck by this, and admired so much the haughtiness and grandeur of the man who had nothing but scorn for him, that he said to his followers, who were laughing and jesting about the philosopher as they went away, "But truly, if I were not Alexander, I would be Diogenes."[8]

[–]thecherry943 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And I honestly couldn't give a fuck. I'm simply minding my own business.

[–]janglang3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's too bad I've already been through the marriage, divorce, and now permanent parasite phase. Love my kids but damn I wish I never met that woman. I hope I'm a lesson for someone else.

[–]TheOnlyThing-Sufjan2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Allthough I understand what OP is saying, I dont think you should focus on the alpha/beta distinction. Those categories are put into the world to give the world some form of order between a guy who can fuck and a guy who cannot, without providing. Either category in my mind is one you should not aim to be in. Op is not claiming this but arguing we are becomming alphas seems incorrect. Indeed most MGTOW men go for self improvment, they realise they are responsible for their own happiness and that they do not need someone else to provide it, or to provide happines for someone else. This comes with a freeing but also scary realisation. But some MGTOW men are happy just doing what they are doing and not necesarilly self improving, which in my mind is totally cool aswell. The basic idea in my mind is that we walk a different path than most and this path doesnt really leads us to anything other then hopefully a happy and in general stress free life. So no, in general we are not becomming alphas or betas of whatever, we are just doing or stuff and mabye if we self improve people and women will notice and try to lock you down. However if you just keep living your life this will not matter to you one bit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Post Saved.

[–]Autisticus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Fuck off, I got work to do..."

[–]Ghustgan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't care what you look like. You could have a hunchback, be 300 lbs overweight, or be missing half your fucking face. If you've manned up and decided to become MGTOW, you are by default grooming yourself into an alpha male.

That's a sales pitch for a cult if I've ever seen one. Nobody needs these "feel good" pep talks OP. None of that stuff matters if you really don't care.

[–]meltboro0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, this is distinctly omega

[–]robowriter0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not me at all I keep it low key. I buy used cars but I could buy a new one. I dress in clothes from Sears and Walmart, always new and clean; rarely wear suits. I don't work a nine-to-five and haven't for 20 years. I have some expensive computer and musical gear.

Women like to play so I let them. Fuck it. Keep mgtow in mind and you should be able to handle anything. Mostly I ignore them entirely, which pisses off the entitled young crazies--the how dare you my vagina types.

Your way is yours. Isn't that what this is all about?

[–]Mchooofer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen plenty of fat, ugly men be alpha And have hot girls in real life.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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