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[–][deleted] 94 points95 points96 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
She's going to say companionship, emotional support, fulfillment, children, and other nonsense.
[–]DeadShot9165 points66 points67 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Companionship: hanging with friends and family is better
Emotional support: that’s what your Bros are for
Fulfillment: your life will be plenty fulfilled and your wallet will be more filled w/o her
Children: you can adopt or hire a surrogate and raise without a nagging “partner”
Other nonsense: nonsense
[–]hellabad85 points86 points87 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Companionship: Dog
Emotional support: Dog
Fulfillment: Dog
Children: Dog
alternative.
[–]RoboMandrake16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I've narrowed the potential items to five things and three attitudes. Cook, clean, suck, fuck, massage. And do so with appreciation for all that is provided, loyalty, and a cheerful disposition. That's all it takes for a lifetime of all expenses paid plus the near-countless services we provide. But in today's brainwashed environment of delusional self-entitlement, misandry, and social media - with no obviously apparent penalties of any significance for bad behavior - that is a near impossibility. Thus, GYOW.
[–]jrpark056 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also, being thin and what you said is all it takes for me, and I'd guess for most men as well.
Then, you look at a woman's demands, and it fills volumes. LOL
[–]RoboMandrake1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I too am a 'thinster'. The heftier packages just don't do it for me. Each to his own though. Some men like meat and some like bones. Not unusual to occasionally hear that the fleshier woman is found to be attractive because 'it feels good'. Ok by me, but I'll be having the bones with just a tad of flesh on the side.
[–]Idiot_Savant_Tinker10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll make a small adjustment:
Companionship: Motorcycle
Emotional Support: Dog
Fulfillment: Motorcycle
[–]idontknownothin_1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh boy I admire this adjustment! Pretty well articulated .
[–]PMmepicsofyourtits1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If someone makes a robot dog companion you can ride like a horse, they'll sell millions.
[–]zubbs9912 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There was a while where I believed in this myself. I did have one gf who was a borderline unicorn that I almost fell for. But what I realized is, and the part the fairy tales and feminists never tell you is, all of those qualities are contingent on if you provide everything and more that they're trying to manipulate out of you. It's never, ever, unconditional. Ever.
[–]RealBiggly6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now add that even the sex goes away after marriage in most marriages. And even the good ones, the woman hit menopause around 50 and loses all interest anyway. The wall is real.
[–]CiceroVoltaire92 points93 points94 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
you can go out to eat, have food delivered, hire a chef or cook for yourself.
you can have groceries delivered or do it yourself.
you can hire a maid or do it yourself
you can have your laundry done or do it yourself
you can hire someone or do it yourself. this includes sex.
I do most things for myself. Housework isn't difficult IMO. My place is low maintenance for cleaning, I can do everything in a few hours. I do a little every day, clean up after cooking, etc., takes several minutes usually, same as all the other housework. It's trivial, and if I'm not vacuuming I'll have music playing while I do it.
It's amazing to me how so many women seem to think it's beneath them to do cooking, cleaning, laundry for a man; they'd rather commute and work a job then so be it.
[–]DWShimoda24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Add on that if/when you eliminate the female (not to mention her crotch-spawn) from a household... well to begin with the house itself can be substantially smaller; AND it tends to get far less messy/dirty to begin with (1 person, especially a responsibly adult, makes a lot LESS mess than multiple people, especially when the multiple is a bunch of whinging entitled children).
[–]CiceroVoltaire4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
exactly. yet most women make it seem too difficult and beneath their dignity to do for a man they claim to "love".
Before going my own way I had a conversation about relationships with a woman I was dating. The net of this conversation was she wanted to work outside the home (low paying part-time job due to her degree she wasn't using, because it's useless), have me be the provider / indentured servant, and "share" the house (mine) and the household chores. When I told her what I expected (traditional relationship), she said, "I'm not your slave taking care of our house and cooking for you every day..." Lol, ok, bye honey. Thank u, next!
I had similar conversations with a few other women too. These experiences combined with decades on the plantation are what convinced me to leave the plantation.
[–]Helikzhan11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
They think so for a little while. Usually though they realize they aren't in a relationship with a provider. They are being paid to fulfill a service and they are genetically not wired for that long term. They want to hustle a provider. They don't want to be the provider. And I say that as a guy who has dated some very wealthy women. None of them were happy.
[–]anduxo0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
My gf earns really good money but we argue often because she expects me to be the provider, and I refuse.
I get the feeling that deep inside she knows it's not fair since we both earn money and can help each other, but it's like her DNA keeps telling her she should stop working and live off me, and so she gets angry from time to time and leaves for a few days. Then she comes back is if nothing had happened.
It's very strange, but, like you said, it seems genetically imprinted in them to look for a provider, independently of their financial situation.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
After years of lurking i subscribed to reddit just to warn you that she goes away for a few days to fuck other men. Thats why she comes back like nothing happened. Come on think about it for a second she makes more money then you and her biology itself is telling her she "deserves" better. Dont be that naive guy.
[–]anduxo1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do earn more than her, what I meant is that she still earns good money, and doesn't need anyone to provide for her.
And yeah, maybe I should follow her next time she leaves, see what she's up to.
[–]Malbek6042 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're straying into unstable territory fren, I'd keep a close eye on her. Consider your exit strategy now.
[–]anduxo-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I know, I've been keeping a close eye on her for the last 2 years.
She has lots of unicorn traits, and she is kinda passing all tests, and so while I look at her through red-pilled eyes, it's easy to separate her from the rest of the trash out there.
She does have this problem with thinking that my money is hers though, but it seems more like a DNA thing or influence from her friends, since she has never really acted on it. She has also told me that she doesn't need a legal marriage in the future, just a wedding party for friends and family, no need to sign anything. Maybe that's something in the direction that she wouldn't go after my assets in the future, besides complaints about why didn't I pay for dinner?
Not sure, I guess I'll keep testing her. Any input is appreciated.
[–]fredanderssen11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
In her recent memoir, even Melinda Gates, who had bagged the richest man on earth, complained about washing dishes and driving her kids to school. If Bill Gates can’t find a unicorn, what chance do we have?
[–]CiceroVoltaire5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
never good enough, never enough. I remember seeing something about her wanting Bill to do his "fair share"! lol,
OK Melinda, you go and make billions for us, I take care of the house! /s
If Bill didn't do a thing at home and she gave him head and anal daily, she still wouldn't be close to equal, only having his kids would have value, and he had many choices for women inside and outside MSFT.
[–]TheDevilsAdvokaat2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember being infuriated by that.
Melinda Gates, Bill has made you a billionairess. All you did was fuck him and give him kids. But you want him to do his "fair share" ?
Like all modern women you have no idea what fairness is; and an unrealistic opinion of yourself.
[–]TenderWalnut0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bought a house in December and I actually enjoy the housework. Nothing felt better this past Saturday then when I had taken the dog for a 4 mile hike, got an hour weight workout in, mowed the yard, vacuumed/mopped all floors, cleaned toilets/sinks, dusted, and did laundry....all before noon. Then I took a man sized nap with said dog
[–]CiceroVoltaire0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
exactly. same here. I invest my money and time in my house, taking care of it is logical. Not just cleaning. I'm doing some work on the house myself, and have plans for several improvements to get it rock solid to last a long time in preparation for my retirement when I'll be living off my investment income.
[–]TenderWalnut1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Amen. I bought new construction but now I’m laser focused on saving and investing so I can be out the rat race in about 15 years. Good luck on your quest amigo
[–]CiceroVoltaire0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
very good. Good luck to you too!
[–]tdh79238 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Even the sex gets boring after about 50 times. Take the red pill and you will see the world in a new light. I have never been happier.
[–]jaejae2629 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Once you jack off, the entire idea of sex is fucking boring. Wake up, Jack off and start your day. Do you feel it coming on around lunch? Jack off again. Youre good for the rest of the day. Rinse, repeat.
[–]jrpark0530 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Post nut clarity is real.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jacking off in the morning is one of the worst things to do, as it saps your energy and leaves you lethargic. If you gotta fap daily, do it right at the end. But best to go 1x a week
[–]0signal01 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Das it mane
[–]Malbek6040 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, you have a clear head and can do whatever you want afterwards. Post sex cuddles drive me up the wall if they go on too long. After the nut I don't want to be touched at all.
[–]hellabad14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is a side effect of being MGTOW. I was in relationships and the sex was great, it just wasn't worth it. I have a fuck buddy now who is pretty reliable but I just don't crave sex anymore. It does feel boring which means that I don't have that urge to fuck around as much because I know how unsatisfying it is in the long term.
[–]UltimateCurryCel9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sex is great but in today's dating culture, men have to date down. And with the whole "Fat is beautiful" movement, less and less women are decently attractive with most of them faking it with photoshop anyways.
Sex with unattractive girls is MILES below jacking off in terms of pleasure, and there's really no chance any guy who's below a 9/10 can get someone good lookng.
[–]Malbek6041 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I find butterfaces with nice bodies to be way better lays than hotties. They're active, they suck mean cock and they take it up the ass. Pretty faces lie there and expect you to do everything. A pretty face that is a fun fuck, that is the true unicorn.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sex with an enthusiastic partner doesn't get old. The problem is that both partners have to contribute to the sexual effort. If the woman acts like it's all the man's job, then things go to shit pretty quickly.
[–]TheKelticWolf29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This reminds me of a story. I Once had a discussion in a group where one of the females was questioning how MGTOW had gotten into the religious circle I was a part of, and I offered the data on MGTOW in the most neutral and statistical way I could...to posit a ‘theory’.
Most of the men were: “mmmhmmm”, “I see”, “I can agree somewhat with that’, etc. ~but it was when I did a theoretical breakdown of all ‘benefits’ supposedly gained by marriage, and how each one of those things can be either bought or found in some other source....that the females went ape-shit pandemonium.
It could have been the fact that to her, I noted - that in this day, the only real relevant thing a female is useful for ~ is her womb, and even at that..........those days are numbered.
I think I broke her, because what followed was the worst mix of demonic screaming I have, to this day..... ever heard. In a religious group, at that.
[–]jrpark0511 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My experience is that some of the worst demons are at church.....one reason I don't go anymore.
[–]Solstus2226 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I remember Patrice O'Neal asked a similar question and based on the women in the audience he said 'they chose to qualify themselves as a series of holes'.
[–]RealBiggly3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That remains a classic.
"Not one of you said you could learn his hobbies, play Xbox or bring a another woman in with a pussy"
[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you are an even half way functional adult man. Theres really nothing else a woman brings to the table except complaints and legal issues.
[–]DangZagnut15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, I mean they can clea....I mean coo....emotiona.....companio....
nah.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They make life less boring because they bitch all the time and send you on random missions.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is why females are so angry about men choosing to eliminate females from all dependencies. It simply takes away their only bargaining chip.
[–]jp_mra1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism taught them to give away their only bargaining chip for free.
[–]1fastIrocZ9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've owned my acreage for over 10 years now and lived by myself the entire time, I can almost guarantee no woman could do all of the things I do.
[–]DWShimoda7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
* Or a "roomba-like" thing, etc (Roomba was first out, but is far from the best robo-vac).
[–]marcopoloman6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cooking and cleaning are a joke. Unless you are a pic it's simple. Throw dishes in the dishwasher, done. Same with laundry. Washer, dryer, fold/hang done. Food is simple as well. So what is so hard?
[–]yooshio5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women cannot answer a lot of questions.
If fact the vast swath of vaginas wouldn't know who they were if they didn't have their drivers' license in their purse.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The feminist movement is anti-woman, fundamentally. Why do I say that? Well, what does anyone really have to offer anyone else?
We can all offer companionship, but that is a two-way exchange and most people have lots of opportunities for companionship. It's sort of hard to justify getting married just for companionship. Much easier to just make friends, maybe have housemates even if you can afford not to. (Having housemates in a large house where everyone has space and you pay for weekly cleaners is a lot nicer than what you might recall from being an undergrad.)
So why marry? Well, if the man has money and the woman is willing to trade sex and domestic efforts, then I guess that's a deal that works out. But if the woman has her own money and doesn't want to do the domestic stuff, then what's the point? Sex might be the answer, but it's easy to hookup using an app and get sex without the commitment.
The result is that you have a lot of women who, I believe, are biologically programmed to want to find a man who will take care fo them, but they reject the bargain that would get them what they want. The result is a lot of angry, unhappy women. The more educated and feminist she is, the less likely she is to find happiness.
Sure, the men are also unhappy, but I think it's less of a problem. Men can be pretty happy working a decent job, hangin out with friends, and optionally bouncing from one tinder date to the next. Guys also have years to figure shit out because there is no biological clock running out for them.
Feminism today attacks men in many ways, which is upsetting. But what it fundamentally does is force women into jobs they don't like and prevent them from finding happiness in family life.
[–]anduxo4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well feminism was basically created and is maintained by ugly women who can't get laid and need to work.
Considering how women stab each other in the back constantly, it makes sense that envious ugly women that need to work send their pretty counterparts to work as well.
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[–]xMB995 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your maid might sleep with you too if you flirt with her.
I learned long ago, I prefer a ugly older age women to clean my place. They clean it spotless. An attractive women will do it half ass for more $$. Fuck that. Besides, everything is automated. Roomba to vacuum, wash machine to clean clothes, ..... dishwasher? I just use disposable utensils and paper plates. It makes me wonder what housewives do actually all day. They fucked up a good thing. Have fun working at a deadend job with high student debt they can’t get rid of til old age.
[–]FalsePositiveRethink0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
'It makes me wonder what housewives do actually all day. They fucked up a good thing. Have fun working at a deadend job with high student debt they can’t get rid of til old age.'
The biggest own goal in history. The movement, created by women, to get women out of the house and onto the plantation is the most idiotic movement in the history of civilisation.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Marrying a woman used to be about the same as hiring her. But now you can't fire her even if she stops doing anything.
Edit: I guess that's the same as what HR laws have done to a lot of companies... you can't fire anyone, even if their work is shit.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even sex is redundant.
You don't need sex, it's just a biological urge you have to get out of the way, like shitting or blowing your nose, so you can stay productive.
The brain doesn't know the difference between a real woman's body or an artificial woman's body, plus a sex doll can't cheat, leave, claim false accusations, get pregnant, lie, divorce rape, get old etc...
There's guys who say "Sex dolls/bots just aren't for me" and that's is ONLY because they still desire female validation, that's why they are willing to deal with all the monumental risks that women bring.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know the mattress industry loves women because of the fucking period stains they put on them and have to replace them
My ex had the worst goddamn periods it literally look like a fucking Charles Manson murder scene on her goddamn mattress
I fucking hate that my sister had that same shit to fucking have a period at night and bleed all over the goddamn mattress and then the fucking mattress have these giant nasty brown and red stains on it how bad women trying to clean the shit up it still stains the fucking mattress
[–]CIAC501 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Once you realise that an apartment or house is a machine for living in then minimalism and low maintenance take precedence.
[–]Zechbruder1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to have a woman. I want to have someone I can rely on; be there for me when I‘m going through a hard time or cuddle with me in the dead of night. I don‘t hate women, nor do I try and live without them, but searching for a woman that isn‘t total trash is difficult and requires high standards and dedication. The entire reason I‘m even here is to not let myself get played by worthless parasites along the way. I see myself getting married, having kids, and growing old with a woman that‘s right for me, but shit call me stubborn or deluded because I‘m not gonna give up on that dream. Even if I need to wade through a sea of garbage to achieve it.
[–]TheTastelessBatman1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even my maid is a guy. Cook? A guy. Person who does my laundry? Guy. Ain't no hoes getting me monies.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I wanted a bitch for emotional support and companionship I buy a dog, far less cost and far less drama, never have to worry about her leaving me. Oh right I already have a bitch back home and sleeping in her dog bed.
[–]Laindert_Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hi mate.
[–]Beerbeer0070 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
See Arnold case...
[–]46-61-62-53[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can't really have kids with your maid and expect to have shared custody from the start (depends on the country's legislature of course).
[–]QueenSlapFight0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*a lot
[–]hakoonamatata90 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can also fuck the maid if she good looking. Technically.
[–]HayaThePapaya0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
love, happiness?
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In 2019 girls simply are not willing to read/respond a text message, in a phone they have 100% of the time.
Women are bringing this to themselves, and every year it is getting worse.
And of you want a relationship, then that's fine too.
No it is not, because females are simply incapable of knowing, understanding, interpreting and living by concepts such as : honour, integrity and accountability.
We as men have collectively being lied to our lives that 'women are wonderful' (look it up, since you're still in your research phase).
Whenever I would get into a relationship it would be because I felt things for the other person, wanted them to be happy, wanted to be happy WITH them. Thats what I thought, where what they seem to display are variations of " what can get I get out of him until I move on to my 'upgrade'?".
I've come to the decision that you have been dating absolute assholes
In the last 3 years I have interacted and dated many women from many cultures and countries, even from different continents, hoping to find that these 'absolute' assholes were a result of their surroundings. Guess what was my conclusion.
It's part of their core. It is literally nature. Opposed to what your feminist friends preach, there is no equality, and in fact women are 100% the contrary to men - be it sex wise, money wise, strength wise, discipline wise, morals wise, risk wise, love wise, etc wise. You get the idea. If you don't, who cares, other men are going to, since they think using logic, not emotions.
Edit :
And I have a feminist friend who likes going her own way.
I laughed way too hard at this oxymoron
[–]six-twosix1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't mean to be rude but you never answered the the question, "what value can a woman add to a man's life?"
if you were to ask me the question, in general a man can give a woman a home, financial stability, and resources as well as status in some instances.
[–]lis1-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
If you were to find an image that said "Besides money - what value can a man add in a woman's life..." you'd be soooooo offended and butthurt that you'd print screen it and post it with #awalt.
This is just childish. Walk away.
[+]Phantomghoul123-7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This post is beyond fucking sad dude. Just because you can't value women doesn't mean others can't. This is hella disgraceful
[–]KountDoku1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's to value if only one have something overused to offer?
[+]speedythesequel-10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
You cannot have a legacy without a woman.
[–]lulz3r6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
YoU cAnNoT hAvE a LeGaCy WiThOuT a WoMaN.
[–]DaBiff1842203 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Lol
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[–]realtrublaze4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Something something artificial womb
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[–]realtrublaze3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Never said men had ovaries.
Artificial wombs have already worked somewhat on lambs, I imagine it won't be too long before or will successfully apply to a human child.
And the only imbecile here is you.
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[–]realtrublaze2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
"Brain dead tool" "Troll"
Sounds like this is the first MGTOW post you've commented on
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[–]KountDoku4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men don't shame other men on this sub.
You must be a woman.
Shaming!
Hahaha LOL
[–]DaBiff1842200 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And women cannot make children without men. God damn are we special and unique as a species!
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Something something overseas surrogate with ironclad contract
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
? Sure. Then once her first year is up, shes out, back to her country and time for a full time au pair.
I don’t want kids so don’t give a fuck. Billions of people have kids. Congrats here’s a cookie 🍪
[–]Samuraidweeb0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell that to Tesla and Newton. Lolo try harder.
[–]Whirrlz0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fuck legacies
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