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[–]MountainOfTurds167 points168 points169 points 6 years ago* (47 children) | Copy Link
Kek. Peterson clearly has no idea what millennial women are truly like. Pure cancer.
[–][deleted] 79 points80 points81 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
The guy has been married for a long time and his wife and he went through some serious shit, and they're still together. He has no clue.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What serious shit besides his depression and his daughters health problems? You got the word, bird?
[–]DeathToTheZog9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Bird is the word.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bird
[–]OT-GOD-IS-DEMIURGE1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]Eulerbrah1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ayyyyyy
[–]saganist911 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The guy is way too smart to have no clue. Unless he is blinded by his wife. In my opinion he is just withholding the truth, can't really blame him.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He is intelligent, but he relies on mainstream knowledge, mainstream history, etc. He doesn't have universal IQ nor much inquisitiveness outside of his field.
[–]rockinhard13066 points67 points68 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I love JBP, but I don't think he understands how awful western wimen are these days.
[–]Hypogamy40 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
That's what all of these older guys don't get. Women have changed since they dated, now they are... different?
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[–]DeathToTheZog6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They are more brazen. Social media allowed even ugly women more access. Pump those numbers up. Thats what I think anyway, basically internet gave them access to more and more thirsty men who would take that 4/10.
The good thing about Peterson is that he's a fatherly figure most people need, specifically women. The reason hypergamy is so rampant is because of the low supply of strong father figures.
[–]Oohhthehumanity0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Spoken like a wise men. He is basing a lot off his beliefs on the process of evolution and mating strategies. A method I tend to agree with. And he doesn't "judge" it but is always looking for logical reasons why something is the way it is.
His premise that most men and women will be most happy in a stable mutual beneficial relationship still rings true to me...however finding, building and maintaining that relationship is slowly becoming like the twelve labours of Heracles. Second we are not "most" men. Some of us have overcome their bibiological programming or naturally prefer a life of solitude. Peterson disregards these men but as a man of science he is right in doing so. We are the outliers, we are (still) statistically insignificant. Due to societal reasons our numbers will go up exponentially but a large portion is just stuck in red pill rage and will abandon MGTOW as soon as a potential NAWALT will present itself.
[–]red_dread_redemption5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Women are the same, it's just that their hypergamous nature has been incredibly amplified. Their value is way over inflated with the advent of social media and 3rd wave feminism. Where they once had limited choices before, now are inundated with nothing but opportunity for something perceivably better. No amount of manning up can effectively tame this behavior, because society is openly welcoming it without any repercussion (except maybe the wall, or the collapse of civilization).
[–]WanderlustYouth0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yup i'm tired of this myth of how women back in the day were better, they sure as hell weren't, its just that they were more rules in place to keep them in check.
[–]Supreme_Salt_Lord0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Are we not happy those rules are gone?
[–]WanderlustYouth1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm indifferent, its just that i'm sick of guys claiming women were "better" than the ones we have now.
[–]BitcoinBoffin5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The social media multiplier effect.
[–]Baldrbaldr0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Different as in metamorphosis.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How can he and then go onto to say as much? First, he isn't around them much unless he is teaching them. Second, let's say he sees it. What is he going to do? Publicly say it and then ostracize his female audience and students?
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I think with all his interactions with students and SJWs, he probably has an idea. His cognitive dissonance just won't allow him to see it though.
Uh oh, it's reality, must find a quote from the bible
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
He just pushes an agenda, that’s his whole game. He doesn’t believe his own crap.
[–]ghostsnnicesprites4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
What’s his agenda? Imo, it seems like he wants to better the upbringing of boys and their role/place in society. At least that’s one of his viewpoints and I whole heartedly agree.
Sure, he may not be perfect and he may have some other philosophies that are ‘crap’, but most current mainstream speakers with a following have the same drawback and flaws. I don’t blindly follow the guy and no one should. I take what I agree with and even listen to what I don’t and analyze and combine it with the rest of the talkers/speakers all over YouTube and elsewhere and compare and see what fits my ideologies.
But yes, I’d like to know if there’s an agenda he’s pushing that I’ve missed.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The traditional conservative agenda. It's not just about helping individual young men. It's about propping up the gynocentric system, no matter how unjust it is towards men. He's not saying "the system's unjust, and we should fix it before more men needlessly suffer", he's saying "the system's running out of men to chew up, so men need to man up and throw themselves in".
The problem isn't manning up. Even a depressed man is smarter/more productive than the feminist quota hires that floods the labor market these days. You don't need to clean your room before outcompeting a woman in nearly every conceivable field. The problem is men have no reason to man up, and the whole system of "manning up" is extremely brutal and unequal towards men, and always has been.
To use a metaphor, gynocentrism is cancer. JP's solution is to eat. Eating sustains the body, but even moreso the disease and suffering. Everything is futile and painful until the cancer is resolved. What we need is treatment. But society is willing to commit suicide before even entertaining the idea of treatment.
[–]ghostsnnicesprites1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And this is an absolute flaw in his entire ideology. I disagree with it. For some reason I didn’t see too much of this or ignored it and paid attention to some other stuff he said. Which is my fault. I know he denounced mgtow and then retracted that sentiment.
But because I do believe you’re right that he often pushes this shit, I’d like to be even more skeptical and hope others will be too.
My main agreements with him lie in his idea of being ‘controlled chaos’ as a man. Able to be monstrous yet controlled or whatever. But now reflecting, it seems he wants to you to do this so you can be a part of society which he usually describes as having a job/place/destiny and being in a relationship. So he wants you to work really hard so you better yourself and better society and also to be able to be compatible with women, which the latter part my mind seems to just automatically ignore.
I like the controlled chaos and bettering oneself, but only for the benefit of oneself (as a person, for a career, skill, success, money, fulfillment, etc.) and not for a woman.
I hope most men are taking the beneficial aspects of his ‘lectures’ and not the tradcon detrimental aspects.
[–]NotMyWomen4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He doesn’t want to “better the upbringing of boys”.
He wants to brainwash young men into thirsty slaves aching for plantation work.
Yeah, upon reflection, I see what people are saying. I for some reason ignored that entire aspect of his argument. I just liked his self improvement stuff. But you and others are right, the ‘manning up’ for women is absolute garbage. It should be rejected and also heavily criticized and he should hear it.
His agenda is appealing to conservatives to make money off their nonsense. I doubt he truly holds most of his stated beliefs
[–]ghostsnnicesprites0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I somewhat agree. I'm not sure if he is purposefully attempting to make money off of it. But I do see that he sometimes pushes conservative bs when he knows it can be harmful for a man (aka being a slave to a woman/slave on the plantation)
Imo, he tries to make men more responsible but also 'man up' and be with a woman. Bettering yourself and being more responsible is great, I agree with it and spread that knowledge around. The 'manning up' for women is where he falls off and where he doesnt realize how damaging that can be to a mans self esteem and value; if it is dependent on ones worth to a woman.
He needs to cut that entire philosophy out and just focus on self improvement and harnessing masculinity in a positive way.
[–]thefireisrising1415 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bingo.
[–]greatcontempt4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Just a matter of time, he has a son and his son is going to go through the same thing all of us have sooner or later....
[–]NotMyWomen1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Worse.
He has a daughter.
He doesn’t have a son.
[–]greatcontempt1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm certain he has a son, didn't know about him having a daughter.
[–]sokolske4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am jealous the guy's optimism that men can change women and the environment they're placed in.
[–]NewMunster1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's a saying where I live: "God loves a tryer".
[–]somuchluv2give4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He holds back certain truths that would be bad for business. He cannot be trusted.
[–]kirenex4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gen x and boomers in general dont know that much about how depraved women have become
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or Pussy has such an enormous power, that JP, knows he cannot attack it directly. I agree with the post. But JP philosphy is helping grow the mgtow ranks.
[–][deleted] 93 points94 points95 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I think Jordan Peterson gets a bad rap here. I think at the core, he's a good guy. He wants each person to make the best out of their own life first. I don't think he's a bad guy, he just doesn't really know what millennial women are like.
[–]RappelAnt[S] 23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He is not a "bad guy." I like his advice in getting to your goals (he basically gives men assertiveness training). But when it comes to setting your goals, he falls back onto mindless conservatism.
I think it's very good of you to judge the outcome of his words. He's an intelligent man, being intelligent doesn't mean he's always right. I'm happy he's a voice for men, but these subjects is not something I agree on too. Otherwise it would be an ideology. To follow everything someone is proclaiming falls under ideology, without thinking for yourself.
[–]somuchluv2give5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He holds back certain truths that would be bad for business. He can’t be trusted.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He doesn't know what women are like. AWALT. It didn't just start in the last decade or century.
[–]ghostsnnicesprites3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ughhh. Man yes women’s nature has always existed like this. But dude, it’s gotten way worse. With third wave feminism and superficial mediums such as facebook, instagram, tinder, etc. It’s counterproductive to argue about this.
[–]Itisforsexy4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Their choices have become worse, but their nature never changed. The system has changed, to the effect of not only failing to constrain female nature, but to encourage and reward it.
[–]Hirudin1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
His advice would be astoundingly excellent... in another time period. As it stands though it is still good advice for mastering yourself.
[–]bonusfruit0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At best, he doesn't realize there's an alligator swamp on the other side. He truly believes there's, idk, cotton candy or whatever metaphor works
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, I think he does. He's a clinical psychologist, meaning he has seen men and women from all age groups. I think Peterson is trying to fix the problem which has permitted hypergamy to run rampant.
[–]ColdStoryBro62 points63 points64 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Peterson isn't the genius the youth make him out to be but he isn't a dumb guy. He understands the climate of gender politics, social landscape and interactions fairly well. He works at a university for fucks sake, watch the videos about the kind of things he has to deal with. He's fairly well educated in history and philosophy also.
However, his entire message can be boiled down to the idea of an "ultimate good." And he's trying to find a way to reach, what he calls, 'a meaningful existence', using a set of life guidelines that may involve substantial struggle. He is deceptively more red pill than he seems and at the same time more deluded by this ultimate good idea that he has convinced himself will save the world.
That's the thing about people who want to save the world, they need to have a glass half full perspective. He makes some good points regarding the consequences of retreat of young men, which I haven't been able to figure out myself. But I don't really give a shit about saving society so all his rules mean jack shit to me. What separates us, the 'weasels', from him is that we have a different definition of what happiness is.
[–]CIAC5015 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Meaningful existence is sought by idealists. Eventually they'll find some illusion and believe in it, or else they'll keep on tilting at windmills. I'm content to lead a comfortable life.
[–]poapratensis5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So comfort is your illusion. Man can never be truly comfortable. We always want more and better. There is always the possibility of current comfortableness vanishing, as well as the certainty of death.
[–]CIAC501 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Comfort could be regarded as as complacency something which I abhor, since I seek contentment rather than happiness. I don't want the monkey of idealism on my back until my inevitable death .
[–]Freefrombitches12310 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He just seems like a psychologist/marketer selling a book
[–]Omnibrad4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What separates us, the 'weasels', from him is that we have a different definition of what happiness is.
Happiness isn't important. Look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs and you won't even see happiness on it.
JP talks about the important of Self Actualization. This is why he has a different definition of happiness. He is talking about self actualization and esteem, whereas you are talking about something that isn't necessary at all.
[–]Drunk_Cat_Phil1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just my two cents.
I’ve always seen Maslow’s hierarchy as the basic priorities for what you need and therefore, as a result, providing happiness as a biproduct, purely because you have the things you need.
Having enough sleep makes us happy, eating food makes us happy, sex makes us happy, taking a shit or piss can and does, make us happy, hell, even breathing can make us happy. All really basic things but our bodies reward us with endorphins when we do them, providing motivation to do them again and again. Of course along with the other bodily incentives, such as pain, that I’ll equate to being the ‘stick’ to the endorphins being the ‘carrot’.
You don’t need to be happy, but then again you don’t need to feel love but it’s really advantageous and desirable to be happy, otherwise, from an evolutionary viewpoint, it wouldn’t exist. We perform better when we are happy. Most likely because we achieved a certain degree of those needs rather than directly from being happy, but also you could argue because of the big social advantages that being happy brings, which in turn, can help fulfill our most basic needs (acquiring shelter, water, food etc). Not to mention unhappy people are obviously enormously more likely to end their own lives which overrides the desire to fufill basic needs and makes the higher levels of the hierarchy a tad redundant.
So being happy, although not in Maslow’s hierarchy of needs (which shouldn’t be hailed as the be all and end all of what someone needs), it is fundamentally intertwined with it, producing the positive feedback loops (naturally alongside those negative feedback loops) that motivate us to keep fulfilling our needs as everyone’s and everything’s, basic biological desire to survive demands.
Besides, being happy is hardly a bad aim, it’s a natural product of how our brains work. Moreover, no one enjoys being miserable, no one enjoys being around miserable people, they’re bloody difficult to deal with and it’s entirely understandable that unhappy people in a primitive context probably didn’t do so well survival wise.
But I’d say how you go about achieving happiness is the big problem, rather than wanting to achieve happiness. You can play a fantastic role in society, survive and thrive due to your pursuit of happiness, although equally you can end up doing want a lot of western women have done and potentially risk destroying an entire civilisation
[–]somuchluv2give5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is mostly the right answer. The other answer is money. Certain truths are bad for his business. And he rationalizes withholding those truths by the fact that it’s for “the greater good”. It’s just so convenient that the truths he withholds just so happen to be the ones that would effect him the most financially.
[–]Original_Username72 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes you can only save the world by letting the condemned edifices burn to rubble, allowing the worthy survivors to rebuild. Peterson just wants to patch the crumbling edifices.
[–]SimpleTaught1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look into the mouse utopia experiment (universe 25) and consider the beautiful ones = mgtow - I think that's what Peterson assumes. I think what he wants is to get everyone back to pre-second-wave feminist sociopolitics.
[–]DatDustDoe0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well said. If he expanded his definitions a little he might see that actual, literal monks did as much for the good of mankind as generations of reproducers (who provided a place for men who fell through the cracks, other than warlords?). A lot of his ideas are still valid if you ignore the relationship stuff though.
[–]Max-RDJ0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand why you wouldn't pursue the ultimate good though.
[–]ColdStoryBro0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
To begin that conversation, what would you define as ultimate good?
[–]Max-RDJ1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please understand that this is my interpretation of Peterson and not necessarily what his philosophy actually is. The way I understand Peterson's ultimate good is that a society that pursues the truth rather than what's expedient and then uses that knowledge of the truth to increase the amount of good in everyone's lives. Sort of in line with Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you need to first satisfy your own basic needs before you're in a position (not only financially but mentally) to tackle the bigger problems and attempt to improve the lives of everyone.
[–]Itisforsexy0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If the system wasn't so fucked, his plan would be very good imo, for 99% of men and women.
But he must know the system is so screwed up, yet still pushes his positive agenda instead of advocating change to the system first. That's my issue with him.
[–]Rabbit-Punch0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
impressive reductionism
[–]ColdStoryBro0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's sufficient 'peer reviewed' feminist literature. Maybe you should read that too.
[–]Phantom_Spark40 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Nah. Peterson isn’t by any means suggesting men jump into the fire. He’s had long discussions about the nonsense women have been up to and has said the social contract is broken and it’s no wonder men are checking out. Hell, he doesn’t even like the transgender nonsense where we have 82 identities.
If anything I would think he’s closer to MGTOW as he suggests improving your personal life and being stronger.
If he’s a cuck please show me a vid and I’ll retract.
[–]Hang10Dude9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's not a cuck, but he is very pro traditional values. Some of those values are still extremely important for a young person to take on. Some are not (anymore). Yes, man up. Yes, grow up and take responsibility. But choose carefully which responsibilities you sign yourself up for. That's how I see it.
https://youtu.be/eKOGEt5YiXQ?t=2m40s
[–]Itisforsexy0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He's a tradcon, advocating that men pursue committed relationships in 2018, where the system favors the woman overwhelming in every single possible legal (and social) way.
Tradcons are just right wing feminism. If I had to choose that over left-wing feminism, I would. But it's still feminism, don't be fooled.
[–]Phantom_Spark0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know.. I've seen him talk about what a healthy relationship looks like vs how women are behaving today... and he's said he doesn't blame men for walking away. I've seen him talk at lengths regarding how women don't know how to behave and feminism is a huge reason, as well as the Marxist agenda behind it.
[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
That's dismissive of some good knowledge JP has to offer.
[–]Hypogamy47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
JP is very smart and I'll listen to most of what he says, but not on relationships.
[–]TFCNU28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He, like many people, has some good information on areas he's specialized in. If you want to know about personality traits, he's great. Past that... Kind of useless.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly.
[–]RappelAnt[S] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Some good, but also some bad.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's why you need to read and watch a lot of different ideas, so you can start to develop your own.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, it's targeting a very specific aspect of his "coaching".
[–]RappelAnt[S] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you. That is how it's intended.
[–]greatcontempt23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like him and most of what he says, I just ignore the relationship crap because getting involved with anyone now would be cheating on the woman I love the most, the woman I call freedom. Never worth it.
[–]t353tfb8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In case the creator is reading, I really like the way you drew the alligators.
[–]RappelAnt[S] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks!
[–]rlh4459 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
lol i can't believe a guy as smart as jp can't see how fucked today's man/woman relations are. guy is about a billion times smarter than me probably but can't see the forest for the trees. he'd rather call me and my kind weasels than use his big brains to take up for the very men who need his help.
[–]ThisIsSevenOfSwords5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Other MGTOWs are saying that he is a 1000 IQ big brain boi, my dude. That's so laughably absurd lmao. He's a tradcon and MGTOW are actually defending him yet he actually advocates for young men to get married and resorts to nothing but shaming language to take advantage of their anxiety and motivate them to fit into his tradcon utopia. What a fucking joke.
[–]Trail_of_Jeers7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My biggest problem with JP - my only problem, is that while he talks to boys about many things, and touches on how women treat men, he talks AT them regarding women, as if he has zero understanding of the plight of boys.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jordan Peterson, what a weasel
Jordie The 'Gina is a blue pilled cucklord supreme.
[–]BuffaloForeskin4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I read that with his Canadian accent voice and chuckled
[–]lelease0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
wait Canadians have an accent? o.O
[–]NotMyWomen2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah.
Big time.
They pronounce their “ou”’s and “oo”’s very noticeably, so they say “go” like “gooh”, “House” like “hoose”, and “about” like “aboot”.
Sometimes it’s pretty fucking annoying.
[–]devonica4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yee.... love the guy. I believe we need more like him... but on this point.... he is just dead wrong. He is different generation, he doesn't understand whats happening now.
[–]ThisIsSevenOfSwords3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Here come MGTOW sheep ready to defend their traddie daddy, Papa Peterson. Pathetic. I have absolutely no idea why any MGTOW could possibly appreciate this hero of traditionalism. Probably because plenty of MGTOW are really just disgruntled tradcons.
inb4 "uhhh he aplogized tho".
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Most of his long talks could be boiled down to a few sentences.
I heard him talk at length once with the actual message being "men have trouble dealing with crazy/aggressive women because men aren't allowed to hit women, and the crazy women know this and exploit, and a good smack is what they'd get if they were men"
He didn't say those words, but that was the message of his 20 minute video.
The comments section was filled with people calling him an insightful genius for having thought of this. Hell, my friends and I had this same discussion after smoking a joint like 20 years ago.
[–]ThisIsSevenOfSwords2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its just unfortunate. I see so many MGTOW preaching for individuality and throwing traditionalism in the garbage, yet here they are praising it. MGTOW has been infiltrated by disgruntled tradcons and identity politics is making it more terrible. Going your own way is one thing, but to say that you are going your own way, then advocate for a political framework of any sort, is a volatile and nonsensical mess.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I love JBP, but he himself even admits he's a traditionalist conservative.
I think he genuinely cares about individuals but I get why others see him as an ideology. Philosophy is never meant to be taken as a single pill to swallow.
Still GYOW though.
[–]adamrockblackandblue2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Peterson was being a cuck most of his life while his wife was fucking Chad. She didn't want him until he became successful and renowned, and of course after she had had her fill.
[–]Rjdubu5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is great, I love J.P and he has lots of good messages but I can deal without another long term married man telling me I need a shitty relationship with an unbearable female to be a happy and fulfilled man.. I prefer Schopenhauer’s message on being content with solitude.
[–]Paladin29034 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The main problem with the “older” generation, or even those that haven’t dated in the last 6-7 years (at least), is they just don’t understand what women have become. And, the younger they (the girls) are, the worse it is.
I mean, due to the abundance of attention, these girls have basically become the socially acceptable version of prostitutes, and they’re not even trying to hide it.
“What can you do for me?” That’s all women are concerned about in today’s world, and if you don’t check off all 1 million of her completely unrealistic and delusional qualifications......”NEXT!!”
Today’s women are horrible soulless beings.
Most of his world view is shaped by the fact that his wife hasn’t left him
I’d like to see what his opinions were if she divorce raped him
[–]MGTOWManofMystery2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We can extract some good points from his analysis (as we might from anyone) without going full cultist like most of his lemming, rabid followers are.
[–]captainsaveahoe692 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking brilliant!
[–]MethaCat2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some of the things he say do make sense, I think that he just fails to see one fundamental premise while searching for a middle ground: women only want either conquerors or providers and every single men can't be one or the other or both.
[–]Zombocom19112 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes!!!
[–]realChebz2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's absolutely true, as much as I respect the guy, he never in my memory addressed the core problem. Here's a good video explaining my problem with him https://youtu.be/JjfClL6nogo
[–]Original_Username72 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Jordan Peterson - I Regret Calling MGTOW Pathetic Weasels
It's funny, in his admission of regret, he is still critical, but he doesn't provide any good counter-arguments against MGTOW arguments or actions, but rather sympathizes with them.
[–]hardtostarboard20161 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thare be dragons
Those bald guys look fucken pissed
[–]Jcart1051 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I always found it funny that SJWs got triggered by someone as tame, moderate, and Gynocentric as Peterson.
[–]NotMyWomen1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Initially thought this was going to be another post sucking his tiny TradCon penis.
Thank you for bringing MGTOW back from TradCon/SJW nonsense.
Top kek
[–]bman00011 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have no problem with JP calling upon men to take responsibility. But I’ll take responsibility for myself, not for some woman. She can take responsibility for herself.
[–]lil_Kingpin0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He’s a legend my bro
Gotta admit the guy is a pro debater though
[–]Neem3r290 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think he is doing the best he can with the publicity he is getting. Could you imagine how fast he would be crucified if he started to side with MGTOW?
I like the guy and he is genuinely trying to help guys out. I'll cut him some slack.
[–]RappelAnt[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Could you imagine how fast he would be crucified if he started to side with MGTOW?
Fair point. I don't think he really understands MGTOW, but fair point.
[–]TheOnlyThing-Sufjan0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you can take alot from Peterson's work and apply it to a MGTOW kind of mindset. Dont climb the dominance ladder to get more girls ect, but do it to make yourself valuable towards yourself. Create oppertunities for yourself in the field of which you are intressted in. Note that this does not has to be a career field, if you want to become a better writer, make writing that one thing that you chase (not pussy/women), if you want to be a better musician chase that. Disregard females, and acquire something that makes you proud (could be money but does not have to be, for example I'm way prouder at the ammount of running I can do now in a week than the money I make.)
And like been said in the comments before, Peterson is from a different generation, in which the relationship between a men and women was not so weird and terrible and out of balance. Nowaday following his ideas of increasing your value will not get you a partner in the sense that it did in his time. It only makes you a target if you are not the one who makes girl go insane with lust.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You do realise you don't need to use what he preaches just for women right?
The rules he outlines are valid to all areas of life.
Maybe you should start applying some of them and see if they work for you.
[–]Be__Live441 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Im with JBP on mostly everything he addresses. But when it comes to relationships with women (like most of us at one point), he has a blind spot. He also has a generational gap with most young adults.
I just think that it is difficult for great men like him to see society crumble, and he knows it is up to the men to fix it. But we can't just "muscle through it" on this one.
The gynocentric social fabric is now a nearly indestructible suit of Kevlar infused chain mail. It has to be taken down piece by piece, and "Manning up" these days comes with dire consequences.
I agree!
Garbage
[–]GreenMile830 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People are giving Peterson an undue amount of shit. He's telling young men to stay away from university, because it's not good to men, and telling them to go into the trades. Guess where there are no women? The Trades. Because that involves actual work. And he's been saying how the MeeToo bullshit is going to have repercussions on the work force. Meaning companies won't hire women because their multimillion dollar liability/time bombs waiting to cash out and sue.
So he has an old opinion on dating and marriage. Don't follow it, no big deal. He's right on so much, it doesn't mean that I follow his plan to man up means I'm going to marry when its clearly suicide.
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[–]axonMagnus2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes the shaming language you have no power here! state your logic reason against mgtow then we will listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU-Uvr4Mvp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XwVpz0paOk&t=2s
if you are a man and not terrified of the status qou , you are fukin blind and you deserve everything that comes your when uncle sam rips your wallet through your asshole and takes half your shit. am 22 and even i see the shit show!
[–]Be__Live441 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh?
So you have a magic formula that nullifies the Family Court System, makes you immune to Alimony and Child Support, curbs female hypergamy and changes female nature???
Wowzers! Do tell us more! Where do we get such a serum? Tell us how it has allowed you to defeat these things? Go on I'm waiting with baited breath to hear your tales of strength and true manliness.
Lead us to glory Senpai!
Oh wait, you have nothing but shaming language because our views don't align with your Tradcon bullshit. We will not sacrifice thanklessly to support a society that is ripping us apart.
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Nice word salad. Nothing more than rhetoric that is repeated by you and your tradcon ilk.
No, your shaming language doesn't hurt me nore am I crying or ashamed about anything. Your pathetic attempts to engage me into a mud slinging contest have failed. It just goes to show that you have zero answers besides "man up". I'm not surprised at all.
Again as a man who defines himself on utility to women and society like you, you will never understand true freedom. You don't want it because you need to feel needed. Like a beaten mule going up the hill...you'll keep going as long as that carrot is in front of you.
Enjoy the plantation.
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