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Title The Manosphere (in a single graphic)
Author bitcoin-optimist
Upvotes 354
Comments 126
Date May 17, 2018 8:25 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MGTOW
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[–]methylotroph135 points136 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

My explaination as game theory Incel: Why can't I win the game? PUA: Here is how to win the game, buy my book to find out how! MGTOW: Yeah, I'm not playing this game. MRA: We must fix the game!

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/end thread

That is perfect. :)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You have me dying of laughter on the PUA part. I remember those days, oh Neil Strauss you...

[–]0x123d4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Whatever happened to Mystery? Still in the asylum?

[–]drogosan1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Last I heard from a few years ago, he lost custody of his kid(s), was paying child support, and moaned alot on Facebook. He's not in a good place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simping for a chick and her daughter.

[–]SirNecroKnight5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

^ This. Just stop at the MGTOW part though. :)

[–]LuvMeTendieLuvMeTrue4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good analogy! I've imagined it's like a soccer game (somehow that's how the image came to me) It's thots on the other team and men on the other. There are these chads who score well and there are these incels who don't. MGTOW don't play or spectate.

[–]Hypogamy75 points76 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Shouldn't the graphic be spherical? Or is it just the manogrid?

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 44 points45 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I vote manogrid!

[–]BitcoinBoffin13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How about 'The Man-trix'. Also if you add some prisoner dilemma outcomes & you'll have a marriage of lifestyle strategy vs outcome.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]BitcoinBoffin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome stuff.

[–]Mojo_6669 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You want the graph to look like a woman? :|

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 65 points66 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Updated 2018.05.18 Image

Now that a month has passed I feel I have a better sense of all the different sub-cultures and groups that exist in the manosphere manogrid. Talking with a friend who writes for a living I mentioned MGTOW and he immediately said, "You mean those incel guys like that unstable fanatic who attacked the people in Toronto?"

I took a deep breath and said, "No, incels are people who are involuntarily celibate. Some are more radicalized than others. MGTOW means exactly what it stands for -- men going their own way."

Chatting for about an hour he gave me the perspective from a university course he took on gender studies (yes yes I know it's mockable but he is a bit of a lady's man and was mainly using it to pick up chicks when we were both still in college). All in all we had a rather illuminating conversation and he was able to give me the scholarly perspective of the different waves of feminism and how they changed with time.

Once he filled me in on the broad sketches of his background he shared what he knew about the manosphere, or meninists as he called the entire movement, and how he saw it mainly as a focus on men's rights and the political implications of male rights. His tone was surprisingly sympathetic since his father lost custody of his half-sisters when he was just a child. By his description his father's first wife had no job, or even the prospects of a job, and failed to meet the court's imposed test to prove she was a capable parent, yet somehow she elicited the judge's sympathy and managed to get custody.

Somewhere at this point I told him I consider myself MGTOW and have no desire to get involved in any of the politics. Discussing the different factions by the end of the conversation we agreed there were basically four camps and they were organized along 2 different axes: activists and the degree of desire for female companionship.

Viewing it in this light it seems like we can look at Men's Rights Activists (MRAs), Involuntary Celibates (Incels), Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW), and The Red Pill / Pick Up Artists (TRP/PUA) as existing in four distinct quadrants in relationship to these axises.

  • The MRAs are sick of feminism and the hysterical tone of media outlets advocating for women's issues when men are suffering as much, if not more, than women in many areas.

  • Incels want female companionship, but feel completely abandoned by society. This sense of betrayal has resulted in radicalized acts by the likes of Elliot Rodgers and Alek Minassian.

  • MGTOW guys like us just want to be left the hell alone and are happy to have a laugh here or there pointing out the shittiness of modern gender dynamics.

  • TRP/PUAs are just looking to get as much action as they can before the whole game blows up in everyone's faces.

After our conversation I quickly put this graphic together because I figure it might help explain the broad landscape of what's happening in the manogrid so we don't all get typecast as incels and further pigeonholed as a group of radicals that needs to be silenced.

We are the exact opposite of that. We are just guys who want to be left the fuck alone.

[–]DangZagnut36 points37 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That’s a nice write up. But you left out that girls have cooties.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Damn, I knew I missed something. :)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The dirtiest place in the world, is a girl's mouth.

[–]zyk0s7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Instead of “activism”, maybe call the axis something like “social focus” or “desire for social change”. Incels aren’t really activists, as someone else pointed out. Also, PUAs are quite different from TRP, they don’t even belong in the picture. They are satisfied with superficial tricks, and don’t really dare to break from the narrative.

[–]drogosan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, alot of PUAs are "blue-pilled" and in it for a LTR/marriage.

[–]Pellaeon_redpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

PUAs are quite different from TRP

Not really. TRP focuses more on looks, PUAs focus more on "game." They are both subsets of the same philosophy of "improve and pursue women."

[–]PoodankMcGee3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmm all in all an interesting discussion Im not sure i would necessarily characterize incels as activist though.

The black pill usually implies that everything is hopeless and that it is impossible to change society, which will never be sympathetic to men's issues. So i dont think incels are sympathetic at all actually even though you get crazy shooters from time to time.

[–]ProdigalPlaneswalker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

incels as activist

activism via white knighting

[–]trseeker4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well written.

[–]AlexiLaIas29 points30 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

“The new right”. And thus why men’s rights and interests are marginalized. Because people will assume this is a group composed of angry right wingers rather than men of all political persuasion ready to call bs on this feminist discourse.

And if you believe the right wing stands for men’s rights let me just point you to: 1) no abortions 2) monogamous marriages the only form of sex that women will partake in, no fun, just sex in exchange for a lifetime burden 3) the man is expendable in war, the woman is the precious one (Giuliani) 4) women must be sheltered and cared for in a divorce/alimony/domestic dispute 5) police and military chads (the favored political upper class of the right) ready to be a hero for your beknighted woman and put you under arrest and 6) they were always willing to believe the false rape claims years and years ago provided it involved a man of color.

If you want to cluster around “the New right” a.k.a., a bunch of angry skinheads who lead torch marches to protect confederate statues and desperately need their rifles in bars, strip clubs, elementary schools and college campuses, don’t be surprised if men’s interests get brushed off as a fringe issue only of a concern to the fringes rather than being a mainstream discussion.

[–]double-happiness8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Plus, there is a big crossover between race and men's issues, what with false accusations, incarceration, and single motherhood all affecting black men and boys disproportionately.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Democrats in the 2000s are to white women what Democrats in the 1800s were to white men.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is an issue that affects the entire gamut of the political spectrum. There are guys who are perfectly okay with cuckoldry and they tend to stay with left leaning feminism ideology that says women should be able to do whatever the hell they want (I know a few of these and it makes me fucking gag). Guys who see how messed up this is look for alternatives. The only alternatives that exist are in traditional value systems. The result is that it pulls those of us who are left more right (hence the "new/alt right" label). That is actually a good thing because it creates a more moderate climate where people can see the value of a viewpoint that they once rejected.

[–]RK210010 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah because everyone who supports the right to own guns is a Nazi. You're a fucking tool.

[–]AlexiLaIas0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mature and thoughtful responses all around you while you wade in with inarticulate emotional blather, get yourself all worked up and demonstrate how thoroughly triggered you were by what I wrote. Hose yourself down and give it a big boy try to do better next time.

[–]RK210010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was very articulate. You are a tool. Nay, a fucking tool.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you do not have to be "rightist" in any way to be MGTOW. There are people on this sub from every geographical location, region, political spectrum and ethnicity.

[–]Pellaeon_redpill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“The new right”. And thus why men’s rights and interests are marginalized.

Symptom rather than the cause. Men's rights and interests are marginalized because of the gynocentric bias that humans have evolved. It takes conscious effort to fight it, and society is currently aligned to inflame it instead.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I dig it, but I would have said "Pursuit of women" rather than "Desire for Women".

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you, that is exactly the kind of feedback I was looking for. I think you are right. It fits better. Pursuit is a more conscious behavior than desire. Not to mention if the terms were better more MGTOW men would pursue women because the desire is there it's just kept in check.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Happy to contribute!

[–]Pellaeon_redpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dig it, but I would have said "Pursuit of women" rather than "Desire for Women".

Incels don't really pursue - their whole philosophy revolves around giving up hope. I don't know of a good replacement term, but it would be something that means "judges a man's value by his attractiveness to women".

Gynocentrism perhaps?

Even then, there are many gynocentric MRAs, they just operate more on not offending women's feelz than judging a man by his lay count.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (13 children) | Copy Link


the manosphere isn't conservative/right. it's mainly just anti-left.

[–]trseeker16 points17 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

anti-"progressive" may be more accurate. With "progressive" of course being between quotation marks.

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[–]trseeker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, however, the "progressive" control of the narrative have already co-opted the meaning of that phrase to indicate those on the "right."

So in passing many (especially "progressives.") will just assume "regressive" means "right."

And thus "anti-regressive" will come to mean "anti-right" in their mind.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]TheGillos11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

MGTOW is apolitical.

[–]Throwawayforinsaniti1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I lean more lefty myself, but then I believe in the Second Amendment and in broader individual rights while also believing a solid social support structure is crucial for a functioning capitalist economy to maintain itself. If there were a viable Third Party, I'd be for it, but as much as I hate the democrats, I generally prefer them to the republicans. I voted for Bernie because he seemed like a safer middle ground that the D's and R's could both be unhappy about.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean right in the broadest sense imaginable (in terms of percentage of government control including no government, anarchy, libertarianism, all the way to today's GOP). There is probably even a bit of overlap into today's moderates.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

libertarians are moderates

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some are, I like most libertarian principles. However others are more extreme than others. Roger, for example, might disagree. :)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting infograph.

There are MGTOW from the "Europe" part of that spectrum. And monarchies too.

Also calling monarchies in Europe "100% rule by one" is really asinine. No kings or royalty have any sort of real power in Europe. All of them are democracies, with a spice of nostalgia to old monarchies. All honest monarchies with dictators were disposed of in the 19th and 20th century, the ones left "standing" did so because they gave up all their real power to other parts of the government.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, I know I used to be much further left and am more center left now. This explains what I was getting at in more detail. Also the diagram isn't saying a modern European country like the United Kingdom is a pure monarchy. It is showing at one point there was rule by one in Britain. The graph is illustrating what complete government control looks like (100%) versus no government (0%). It does this by comparing numerous places and time periods and contrasts this to left versus right.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm alright. Still slightly misleading though, present is kind of implied to me unless stated otherwise.

[–]RetiSetGo14 points15 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW isn't right-wing, or even politically slanted in general. Anyone who's a rational man is welcome.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree. This kind of bullshit is actually what is going to stigmatize this concept. Being MGTOW is a concept and not a movement and shouldn't even be on this grid of all things in the first place---and id it were, then it woud be a smaller square anyway.

The fact that this overall topic is being up voted is ridiculous. Heck, this is borderline unhinged cringe.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW is a concept and not a movement

I'd say the red pill is a concept with a set of assorted facts that have been tried and tested. MGTOW is a way of being with a set of assorted philosophies. The word "movement" is more used as a way to refer to the group of people who identify with self-oriented goals with no imposition or commitments on their time in a LTR relationship.

A person can be a Buddhist for example and never go to a temple. Or take bitcoin. Some people use bitcoin purely as a savings vehicle. Others like it because of the technology and societal implications. Yet others use it as a way to create digital graffiti on the chain. They are all still part of the bitcoin movement by virtue of using the technology.

"Movement" doesn't have to imply activism. That is the reason for the one axis to separate that connotation. MGTOW isn't about being like everyone else in a group. It's just doing whatever works for you without letting a woman tie you down or control you by being aware of certain behaviors that are common to women.

[–]BitcoinBoffin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bitcoin is to fiat, what MGTOW is to gynocentrism. A wealth preservation vehicle that floats on an ocean of devaluation. And only gets more valuable as a strategy as trust exits the system.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gresham's Law. ;)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this sub is a loose example of a movement while MGTOW is the concept (idea)

You are mixing up terminology and definition here if I may point that out.

[–]methylotroph11 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Wait a minute is the incels running people over with their cars counted as "Activism" because I would think incels are not very active, if anything the PUAs out ther peecocking are more active.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking the same thing.

Though perhaps radical activism?

[–]methylotroph2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Maybe activism should he quantified has how much you are "willing to do to try to change society"?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That could be it as well. Either way, I'm not complaining; I think this presentation is fairly accurate.

[–]methylotroph2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Me too.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

The new right? Stupid.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] -5 points-4 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

It is mainly a right leaning movement. I see lots of elements of the alt-right in all this, but I suspect it will start pulling it in lots of left leaning guys as well even though the whole thing is founded on traditionalist values which is primarily a right leaning philosophy.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no it isn't. it's simply anti-left. and not even anti-all-of-the-left... i'd say a bit of the libs near the middle could still easily be redpilled.

[–]Rodion-Raskolnikov0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm very left wing and I'm disgusted at what the identity politics brigade has done to not just the left but society in general. Feminism has gone too far. Relations between men and women are broken beyond repair. MGTOW for life now.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You and me both. *fist bump*

[–]apugsthrowaway4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Swap TRP and incels. Incels want women but they're unwilling to change their behavior/outlook in order to find one.

[–]methylotroph7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No I get it now, activism is external change, not internal, it is a demand society change for you, or in incels case a total jealous hate for society.

Look I do feel sorry for the incels, but they got to figure out it is their own desire for sex and love that is causing them suffering, once they let go of that they are free.

[–]michaelkc030 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d just like to say that Desire for sex is biological. As man you have a natural desire to reproduce with a woman.

I don’t know anything about the incel crowd except that is stand for involuntarily celibate...I lean redpill/mgtow. They are not mutually exclusive.

What I like about the redpill is it opens guys eyes up to the true nature of women. It gives them the opportunity to affect their reality and perhaps obtain sexual relationships.

What I like about MGTOW is that it separates sexuality and masculinity. Sexuality is one aspect of masculinity, but it’s not the end all. In addition, MGTOW provides daily examples of how social institutions like marriage can be detrimental to a man’s life.

But all that aside, I’m a man. I like to have sex with women. If I choose not to that does not affect my masculine identity.

It’s just hard in my opinion to tell guys who are probably so sexually frustrated to eliminate their desire for sex...instead I say go checkout TRP, apply and then come back to MGTOW, it’s really a full circle process.

[–]XupaCudeGoianinha1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it's more like they don't think it would matter either way.

[–]cekujiw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what happens when we try to use gender studies to shoehorn the manosphere into two arbitrary axes. Desire for women is probably not bad, but I'd call it risk aversion to women. One axis explains the difference between MGTOW and MRA, yet the other the difference between MGTOW and PUA/incel. But then the same x-axis can explain the difference between cucks/simps/betas and MGTOW. This is what happens when two outsiders (one new MGTOW) want to provide insight to a topic they aren't too familiar with themselves. It is like two toddlers trying to teach each other how to speak, mostly gibberish but it may give a semblence of sophistry to the untrained eye. Even few here notice the inconsistencies. Activism doesn't define incel unless the person is both MRA and incel. And we shouldn't be too hung up on labels like the progressives/liberal/leftists/feminists are, really, at the end of the day, incel is just an insult that the group adopted later, not unlike the N word. I'd say MGTOW should unite all men, feminists will always find ways to insult us, to slander us, to ostracize us, should we be concerned about the minutiae and unimportant differences between redpilled brothers? Divide and conquer is what they do. Should we too be a gated community where MGTOW is determined by celibacy, or the amount of misogyny or misanthropy displayed, or cynicism (inactivism), or how many marriages or children we have had?

[–]trseeker2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think this might be more accurate: Top row should be "Striving for external change/societal advancement." Bottom row should be "Striving for internal change/personal advancement." What do you think?

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You could probably think of the absolute bottom (Y=0) as striving for internal change/personal advancement) and the top (Y=1) as radicalization leading to attacks. If I had to guess most incel guys probably tried the whole PUA approach and just failed so they direct their frustration on society as a whole. PUA who are successful are getting what they want so they are not lashing out.

[–]trseeker0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The generic term "activism" though is misleading. You can have a MGTOW who is is more active in making change in their life than a MRA who is making little effort to change the external world.

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't disagree. That is really just a third axis that measures intensity of work (self or external). :) We can call that one the manocube.

[–]RationalMenWin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't know Incels were activists. I would have never guessed.

[–]I-am-the-lul1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are Incels also activists?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In what way are incels acitivists?

[–]Lavochkin81021 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I studied the van.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reverses behind you with an obnoxious beeping noise.

“Nothing personal kid...”

[–]stringedbeams1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

good start, I want to see some vocel and TFL and a whole bunch of other things networked in there, purple pills and bluepills and married redpills and everything

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]stringedbeams1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yah that's what I have in mind, graphs like that!

[–]SpinPlates1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I ride the line of TRP and MGTOW with a more redpill approach. Women are hypergamous sluts and are only as loyal as the next upgrade in man...That being said I'll never be able to stop sleeping with women but children and marriage is absolutely 100% never going to happen.

It's just a bad deal for men in today's society.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How many plates have you cleaned today?

[–]SpinPlates0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1 last night. She was dirty.

[–]irreditt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Without labels, there are only people. And we’re all in this together.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What if: You have a high desire for activism, and high desire for women, and can get women? Where is that on the scale?

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good question. The scenario that you are describing reminds me of a comment I read a month ago in a thread on Imgur. There is definitely an assumption that the greater the access to the kinds of women MGTOW men want (NAWALT / unicorns), Incel men want (any woman?), MRA men want (women that won't divorce rape them /w traditional values), and TRP men want (any hot chick?) decreases their presence in a given "manogrid" category. I'd guess a PUA who accepts the red pill who gets a new tinder hookup every night, but is disgusted with the whole culture is probably around here.

[–]genethedog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]aaaGreg0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is helpful

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol 'activism'. Posting on the internet whining about being single is activism now?

[–]Dsingis1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"aka The New Right" speak for yourself.

Just because I'm MGTOW doesn't mean I'm not a social democrat.

[–]AntiAbleism0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m the farthest thing from right wing. Shit like this makes people not take us seriously.

[–]SirNecroKnight0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes sense I guess..

[–]fishtab0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is MRA And TRP?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How about 'Man-o-gram'.

[–]EconomistMagazine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is this the new right? Is this "right" as in political or correct? I'm confused

[–]hirayama_ronin0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Respectfully, I suggest the graph should be flipped, with the vertical ascending.

I suggest also that MRA doesn't fit into this graph. MRA is too broad a category. Upon what basis have you included it as desiring women less? Did you conduct a survey?

Also, I take issue with categorizing the Manosphere as necessarily the "new right." Men's issues cut through the right and left dichotomy. This is true even if there is a strong presence of right wing thinking in the manosphere.

Edit. I read your detailed write up, but still wonder why you included MRA as you did.

[–]csdspartans70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So the new right is a bunch of virgins now?

[–]BalancingVices0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The manosphere has little to do with activism, let alone right-wing politics, though overlap happens.

Here's the real difference:

When faced with a defective and over-priced product,

1 MGTOW simply won't buy the product

2 TRP and PUAs try to convince the seller to give it away for free (with varying degrees of success)

3 Incels obsess over it and complain they cannot afford it

4 MRAs buy the product first and then demand the price should be lower (zero success guaranteed).

[–]bitcoin-optimist[S,🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The manosphere has little to do with activism

MRA stands for Men's Rights Activists. The blackpill, the main philosophy behind incels, is a reproachment of all society. Right leaning belief systems (ignore the word politics because politics is a call for action- a person's beliefs or world view is something bigger) almost always overlaps with traditional values. What's fascinating is these traditional values are being accepted more and more by socially left men. This is why it fits the name of a "new right." The rest of what you wrote isn't contentious and I'd say is pretty on the money.

[–]BalancingVices0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I concede the MRA point: they don't get any change done, but they do protest in public, so yes, they are activists. Not sure about their left-vs-right leanings though. Talking about you plight, asking society to fix the problem and having enough trust in the fairness of the system, to even consider trying, seems to me like having a left-leaning outlook.

I've been around MGTOW long enough to recognize a pattern of personal responsibility and individualism, but that's just MGTOW.

I'm not convinced PUAs and incels tend to have any general leanings on the l-r spectrum. Even a commie could prioritize having a girlfriend or plates and fail or succeed.

[–]Pellaeon_redpill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What is the green shading supposed to represent?

Also, I wouldn't consider most incels activists. Most of them, the Reddit version anyway, just want to moan about how much they hate their lives. I believe they tend to stay in their own circle most of the time as they get shit on very quickly for popping in elsewhere.

MGTOWs, in my opinion, are more likely to try to convert others to their beliefs than incels.

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