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Why do so many fat, below average women have such high standards these days?

September 22, 2020

It's understandable if a gorgeous looking feminine woman has high standards, that's to be expected. But I've noticed in the last 10 years or so, huge numbers of fat and/or below average women now have really high standards for men.

It used to be that these women were grateful for any attention they got and they were happy dating another fat and/or below average man. But now these women have the same high standards as a woman who is an 8/10 or 9/10. There's even TED talks with larger, older women saying "where are all the good men?" or "why is dating so hard these days?".

It's a big culture shift that I've noticed. Has anyone else observed this and why do you think this has happened?

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Title Why do so many fat, below average women have such high standards these days?
Author BumblingBeta
Upvotes 157
Comments 50
Date September 22, 2020 7:12 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MGTOW
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[–]Beginning_Difference95 points96 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Alpha widows, they get banged by a 9 or 10 dude or two at the bar scene or on tinder and think they’re 9’s or 10’s now for relationships too

[–]nitro-66654 points55 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


Women confuse sex and relationship. In their nature, sex comes after commitment. So since now they're getting sex easily whenever they want, they'll get commitment from those guys even easier, right? Obviously not, but they discover it too late.

[–]MKUltraExtreme21 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]learnfemalenature30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Precisely this.

80/20 rule and male Hypergamy in action.

When Chad doesn’t have access to 9 or 10 cause she’s with Brad, Chad will settle for a 5 or 6 because that’s his nature. Making the 5 or 6 entitled asf.

[–]throwaway_life123454 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Surely the 80/20 rule has always been a thing, but maybe now it's more like 95/5?

[–]learnfemalenature1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is. Because of the digital age. Rich get richer not only with money but with chicks also...

[–]ThereIsAlwaysVanilla19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's called, "Going Hoggin'."

[–]Magnet25 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Slumming it

[–]Revolutionary-Swan290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was once a slum dog millionaire 😞😔

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You know up until a few months ago I was sort of friends with a woman exactly like this - she was pretty average when she was younger when I first knew her. I would have dated her back then. She got alpha widowed, piled on the pounds. Dated a few soylets, pined after some attractive alpha guys. Hit the cock carousel hard (especially with ethnic men who she had a fetish for) and now can't understand why she can't secure a "quality man". She is basically obese now and has become increasingly insufferably left wing and only has her cat for company. Literally a meme.

We're not friends any more - when "beer virus" kicked off we were talking about it and I was explaining to her why Sweden's approach would be fully vindicated in 2-3 years time and she freaked and blocked me. The usual stuff like I was killing people and "science is fact" and I was listening to "Trump" and "Murdoch media". Which are ridiculous statements.

I was never much of a player to be honest. I was dumb enough to think I had met the one when I was 19. I'm fairly average but my oldest friend is what some parts of the internet might call a "Tyrone". He is alpha as fuck and is one of the smoothest players I have ever encountered. Even he is fed up of women and their shit and he agrees they have got crazy in the last 10 years. He has never heard the word MGTOW.

[–]Bitcoin_Bastard4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Even he is fed up of women and their shit and he agrees they have got crazy in the last 10 years.

Does he still fuck them though? cos knowing they've gone crazy and stopping fucking them are two entirely different things. Pussy is a powerful drug

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know I think there is this one bitch he still hits up from back in the day but he seems pretty jaded to it all.

[–]UglyScarTissue10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

3 to 6's get pumped and dump by Chads for a quick easy lay and they think they can always date that kind of guy in the future for serious relationships.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Chads have sex with 3's? :o

[–]SatouTatsu0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine being able to pull an 8+ on 6 nights of the week. The last night of the week, you have no luck, but at this point all you care about is sex, so you take anything that jumps at you.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

-society tells them being fat still makes them unique and beautiful

-simps who can't get hot chicks can only get the fat ones

-there's so many simps the fat ones can take their pick

-since so many simps just want to bang their fat asses, the fat ones start believing they're desirable to the rest of the men.

[–]redgow878 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This and beer goggles. Dudes get drunk and horny and at that point the hot girl they want is too much work so they lower the bar and now you have 3 to 4 trying to get in at the club cos they think she'll be easy. Not knowing that the amount of guys with the same plan leads her to believe that she's got good looking men chansing her. At this point, the guys at her level become invisible to her because "these many cute guys wanted her" . Egos inflate but never go back down . I'm all for the everyone is beautiful speech but the stuck up nature with which i see some unhealthy looking cankle having whales interact with men far above their physical level of attraction really bogs my mind. Also society promotes fatness as an alternative form of beauty and i get the idea but that shit aint the same and now they're all gassed up

[–]EnvironmentalRest42 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. The dreaded, horrifying “beer goggles”. Ended up boning a few pigdogs due to excessive alcohol consumption.

[–]redgow870 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol sounds like you got over it. Good good

[–]_sadboyloko34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because men will put the pussy on a pedestal even if you look like Gargoyle.

[–]redgow879 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Everywhere i go, this happens. At work , personal life ,every where. A guy comes and says one lie to make a woman feel good thinking he can get puss. Every other guy comes out of the woodwork like" i agree" , " so true ", " exactly ". I wanna barf. Also carries over into no one being able to say anything they feel will displease women. Smh

[–]isthisthelasttime3421 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I notice that the less attractive women tend to be the most stuck up. It's because they have a chip on their shoulder because they aren't quite attractive and know they never will be.

[–]KING_CPB21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being fat = usually lazy = usually dumb = usually delusional

[–]Lostfate0917 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because thristy dudes everywhere been pumping and dumping them and they think these guys will actually commit

[–]Phantom_Spark17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men are desperate. So many men see their chances of keeping a good woman to be slim to none. So, many try to game the system in order to get a better outcome.

Donovan Sharpe is one example, and there are many more. These men think they can play the odds and sacrifice certain things in order to get a woman who’s loyal. End of the day, it all spoils women rotten and it never goes as planned. Those exceptions to the rule, aren’t worth the potential risk, nor the costs that they incur.

A fat unattractive women knew the score years ago because men treated things simply. It was discussed publicly that women need to find a mate while she’s young and pretty. She also had wifely duties that she needed to handle the same way men had their own duties as a husband.

But we did away with all that. So now every female regardless of looks, demeanor, weight, age, debt, etc... is a cost many of us have learned is too expensive to bear.

We know the risks, yet the benefits are completely unknown. That’s just the way it’s become. And it won’t change without a huge event that changes the way we interact. War, famine, shift to artificial mates, change in laws, etc.

[–]CognPsycNeurScie12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

due to advances in technology the pool of men showering them with attention got bigger which leads to an illusory high perceived sexual market value but ultimately also to a choice overload in women in general.

[–]Miserable-Lemon11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy, when you get told repeatedly that you deserve only the best men and nothing else, your obesity, grotesque tats and piercings, massive chips on the shoulder mean nothing. After all it's always men's faults.

[–]bfte212 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is these whales more often get what they want than not. I've seen this guy in a tuxedo... walking with an absolute UNIT of a pig... forced me to put the most shit grinning grin on.

[–]TheFutureIsFefail11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

High mileage means higher standards because wahmans set their ceilings as the new floor. In other words must have cock at least as large as Guy A, muscles at least as developed as Guy B... salary at least as high as Guy ASS (1,189)...

[–]StingRayFins8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link


[–]panchogato7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My thought is they know most men won't be interested, so why not make it seem like it's their choice they are single? "He's not good enough!" Helps the ego.

[–]watchitkaren5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simps are plenty in supply

[–]DecimatingTheDeceit5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*Quote : It's understandable if a gorgeous looking feminine woman has high standards

I have to disagree, I have seen Average to somewhat decent wahmeyz to exhibit extremely bloated/exaggrated behaviore as well as with a dosage of entitlement. The modern behaviore of %89 of Wahmeyn is not only delusional but outright harmful, the actually 'gorgeous' women are appearently to ones whose most open to use/abuse themselves for the cash [arabian sheiks & instagram models, I mean it, it is a real topic, unbeliavably]

[–]GroundbreakingAd75855 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why wouldn't they? Even fat chicks get attention.

[–]Slaide5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because simps are thirsty.

They're losers who don't even realize they're losers.

[–]Revolutionary-Swan290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It took me some time to accept that aspect of me. Now I walk in truth

[–]DKN33 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve seen this all my life and I’m a Decent, Good Looking Mofo (Literally), Fat Bitches always think I’m flirting like Nasty ass Bitch give me my Latte

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]Madmoxiii3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The internet /thread

[–]throwaway_life123454 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is why the incel community exists now. Ugly men used to be able to get ugly women and have kids, but now ugly men can't get any women at all.

[–]BumblingBeta[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many people say that incels always existed, it's just that you hear about it more because the internet has given them a platform to air their views. Do you think this is true, or do you actually think incels have increased notably in the last 10 years or so?

[–]Herban_Myth2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link


[–]SuperiorFarter1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they can afford to

[–]Delifier1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The usual drunk guys not bothering with the hot chicks, goes for not so good lookin ones. Makes them spoiled on it. And the increased commonality of internet dating has made it even easier for them to meet someone. And this circle goes on.

Then they get so used to it, that they act more spoiled and whatever made them worth it is gone.

[–]Adorablefeet1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Social media.

[–]RangoDj0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think sex ratio also plays a big part. Less supply of any commodity brings high value. If you want your ladies to behave make sure she lives somewhere with equal or high female sex ratio.

[–]Revolutionary-Swan290 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Easiest way to shut that shut down, is to point and laugh! Then walk away while sarcastically talking to yourself, about her audacity even though she’s such a lvf

I’m so serious that it actually works. You’ll see the confidence escape from her soul.

If you see her again...hella easy lay.

[–]Whulfz0r0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the magic talking boxes tell them to

[–]SatouTatsu0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

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