Yesterday we saw this post on WAATGM from a female blogger in Charlotte, NC who tried to set up a meet and greet with single men and women in the area.
She got lots of women to sign up. In her words, "attorneys, business owners, and women who’ve dedicated their lives to non-profit work. They’re smart, funny, attractive, and truly interested in meeting someone."
She got only a few men to sign up. The male response was, again, in her words, "a few gems, but the majority feature half-complete applications, or applications peppered with biting snark that make me hesitant to set the person up with anyone, for fear of a first date horror story that’ll fall on my shoulders."
And she scratches her head. Because she just cannot figure out why the men aren't showing up.
Lucky for you, I have the answers you're looking for. I know why the men aren't showing up.
1) The only "straight single men" you see, acknowledge or even know exist are top 20% men. It's well understood that women don't see men they aren't sexually attracted to.
2) The top 20% men don't need your event to meet women. They've got more pussy than they know what to do with. Newsflash, dearie: Those men are already hooking up with the women who signed up for your M & G.
EDIT: 3) Men don't care about women's accomplishments. Men don't care that these women have professional achievements or social awareness. Men don't care about their intelligence. Men care initially about these women's physical appearance, kind demeanors, and that they're not insane. So you women constantly miss the boat when you tout your jobs and your bank accounts as things that ought to attract men. They don't.
For about the seven billionth time, let me just say it. AGAIN. In italics and set off. You all read this as many times as you need to in order for you to understand it.
Men do not care about what school you went to, your job, your bank account, where you've traveled to, or your IQs. We care that you're not fat, you're pretty, and you're nice to us. Can you PLEASE understand this. PLEASE.
End edit.
4) The bottom 80% of men have no chance whatsoever. Women have made it clear they don't even see bottom 80% men. Women don't even know there are men who aren't sexually attractive. They don't even register as men to women.
EDIT: This fourth point is hyperbole. Of course most of this bottom 80% gets some sex, sometimes. But they have to work for it, spend for it, beg borrow and steal it, and even then it's given grudgingly and in a half assed phone it in manner, and even then they might not get what they want.
And these women just aren't worth the effort. High risk, high effort, low return on investment. Not worth it. End Edit.
5) Whatever chance bottom 80% men do have, they will have to work for what your female cohort gave away to other men for free. Men are on to the game. Men are waking up to what women have been doing for the last 30 years or so. And they're just walking away. They're not playing a losing game. They're not doing the "heads I win, tails you lose" no win scenario women are offering.
They're not going to waste $30 or $40 on drinks, and a couple of hours listening to some woman who won't fuck them (but is happy to have him pay for her drinks) talk incessantly about her job, her pets, her friends, and her parents while intermittently sending texts to the guy she's going to hook up with after she leaves the date. They're not going to waste time and money on another man's fuckbuddy or FWB.
6) Men long ago stopped listening to your shaming language. That bit about "what, are you guys all playing video games?" is just shaming language and it's completely lost its effectiveness. Men just aren't listening to you anymore.
Dearie, the girls who signed up are looking for beta bux guys to use. They failed in converting their FWB to a boyfriend. Their hookups aren't sticking around. The men who are attractive to these women are already fucking them and don't need meetups. Your signed up girls have already made it crystal clear they aren't interested in the remainder. That vast majority of men have better things to do than waste time on women who don't want them.
[–]daddylonglegs728 points9 points10 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Great Post,
shaming men and telling us we are lucky to be able to meet these women is not how to get men to come to your event.
Maybe offer the men free dinner and 2 drink tickets? And TVs video games pool tables scattered about the bar would be a good start.
[–]zubbs994 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol yes at least set up an Xbox or something in the corner so we'll have something to do when it goes downhill. Also, turn up the lights bright so we know what we're really getting into.
[–]QuickDrawDinoHunter1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a very interesting thought. How many speed dating events are setup with a bunch of tables and people go around to the different tables? ALL OF THEM. Now this wouldnt be a bad thing if men were showing up. But seriously, make us buy our own drinks, with shitty snacks, in a stuffy atmosphere....men just dont really want to do that sort of thing. Now imagine if you setup some type of interesting "thing" at each female station. Or had it in a game room and each woman was at a different game, or hell even if the women had to go from station to station and the guys could post up and not move. The speed dating game has never changed. Its the same ol same ol as its always been. They do nothing to entice men to actually show up. Hell, for the type of money these events want, I could buy a new video game, and a couple of six packs. Its all setup for women, and once again men are just deciding they dont want to waste their time.
[–]AndJusticeForThrall3 points4 points5 points (13 children) | Copy Link
Saying men don't care about their intelligence or jobs is just wrong, though. A lot of men that are in really demanding jobs that they've worked hard for want a woman who is in a similar position. I've said this in other comments but I'll repeat it here, I do not want a housewife, I want a woman who I can actually relate to on an intellectual level, so I'd be far more interested in someone if she said she was a lawyer, for instance.
[–]ValhallaWillCome1 point2 points3 points (7 children) | Copy Link
It’s personal preference. Simple biology dictates we should only look at beauty, health and sanity. However, we’ve evolved beyond the stone age and we have the ability to ignore and override our biological drifts for the sake of building civilization. This is where we differ from most other animals, our ability for impulse control and rational thinking.
Personally I really don’t want an equal. Men and women should have different roles in a household, complement each other, not compete. I have no problems with her intelligence, but if she has a career, there will always be an unequal share in earnings, payments, household chores etc etc.
If I was looking for a woman to marry, I would look for a housewife. Somebody to take care of my home while I am out working and to take care of me when I get back. In return, she will have a family, a stable place to live and money to spend for herself. One who loves me as I love her and won’t go cheating on me.
Sounds fair, right? Funny how all women I’ve met find this to be an awful prospect somehow. Which is why I’m not looking for more than a pump and dump nowadays.
[–]AndJusticeForThrall0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Because that does sound awful. She'd have no life. Women are self sufficient for a reason, people want to actually do stuff.
[–]ValhallaWillCome0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
How does it sound awful? Unless there are kids involved, household chores with modern appliances shouldn’t take her more than an hour or two to do. That includes cooking. Taking care of me doesn’t take all evening either. She’d still have more time than me to do whatever she wants.
[–]AndJusticeForThrall0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Because you're just saddling her with household chores while you go out and actually experience the world. I know work isn't heaven but I'd much rather work than sit at home doing chores. Most of the better relationships I've had have similarly been with individuals focused on their education and career.
[–]ValhallaWillCome-1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
So basically we’re back to personal preference. Both for the woman and the man. Just to be clear, I don’t mind her working, I do mind if she has a career. I think we can agree that your preference and my preference is different.
[–]AndJusticeForThrall-1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
And your preference often leads to her being unhappy.
[–]ValhallaWillCome-1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
If you think female happiness is a valid argument on r/MGTOW you may be in the wrong place. Try your luck on TheRedPill or the MRA section.
[–]AndJusticeForThrall-1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Relationships aren't one person affairs dumbass. A woman won't stay with you if she's unhappy.
[–]Jackoffalltrades890 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, I guess I come down on it somewhere in the middle. I think a lot of guys would like a woman who can keep up with them, so when they bitch about some shit at work they’re not just talking to the wall. But that’s secondary and way after the other conditions of kind, faithful, etc. After all, if she’s not faithful, you’ll just be talking to the wall anyway. Same as how if I want a car that’s fun to drive first with a nice stereo second, don’t start by blaring the stereo at me, let me test drive a few and see how they handle.
[–]QuickDrawDinoHunter0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I do agree, Id like a woman who can hold her own. But the main problem with women who can hold their own is that they turn masculine. They havent acquired the ability to turn off the masculine when they arent at work. And then half of them think they can get a guy by being like the boys....ugh its maddening. I went out with a woman was in the mining industry as an engineer. Smart as a tack, pretty cute....but damn I just couldnt get past how masculine she was. There wasnt any chemistry because you need both masculine and feminine to make a spark.
[–]Older_Miggy0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
A chick with 3 degrees isn't necessary to speak with on an intellectual level. It's more about the person than the ejacashun.
Too many women with degrees are just flat out snobs.
[–]AndJusticeForThrall1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I wouldn't mind a snob, I can relate to that feeling.
[–]Older_Miggy0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You get an upvote for honesty.
[–]Drawrtist1231 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
What good is a degree in engineering if you can't even cook?
What good is a degree in biology if you don't understand how important sexual refrain is?
Go fuck your degree if you wanted to use it for sex so bad...
[–]zubbs991 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Funny part is, if you say you don't care about degrees/status/career, which most of us don't, they'll try to shame you for being "intimidated" by them.
[–]TheObelisk0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Before i even read your post, i'm reading the one you linked to. I'd never heard of that subreddit but those dudes are woke af and are making some points that are harder hitting and more in point than many i see even in this sub. Whew, i gotta do more cruisin' through there.
[–]Older_Miggy1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a gold medal sub with gold medal mods.
That one and this one are the only subs I even bother with.
[–]zubbs990 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn this is quite on point, clarifying many of my own thoughts on this stuff. Especially the part about the 80% who are basically invisible to women, even as those women get older and more desperate. Also, the part about accomplishments. I couldn't care less about that, or status, or degrees or any of that b.s. that women obsess over. God they're clueless.
[–]ThirstySasquatch0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Point 3 is beyond accurate. Ask any woman about themselves - they give a laundry list of accomplishments that I couldn't give a fuck about and boast about their average-paying office jobs when in reality they have zero substance. In my age group, women simply don't have hobbies or interests. They believe their education and job defines who they are and that's one of the reasons they become so miserable