Women that subscribe or lurk here, why do you do it?

2017-09-24T20:54:59+00:00

they come here because they think its always about them

Xtr81 · 2017-09-24T20:46:51+00:00

Who cares...

GehrmanTheHoonter · 2017-09-24T21:04:06+00:00

Attention. They seem to get their rocks off on saying shit like, "I totally see where you're coming from. Feminism is a hate movement, I agree."

Chameleons, mate. That's all they are.

Sparkle-Luna · 2017-09-24T20:32:58+00:00

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Freefrombitches123 · 2017-09-24T22:14:39+00:00

Looking for information which may top up their manipulation skills

sawyer_whoopass · 2017-09-24T21:46:22+00:00

Could it be possible that maybe they're just curious? I know, I know; male space, and I'm with you on that, but if they're not starting any shit, or even making their presence known, I don't see an issue.

On that same token, why are some of the MGTOWs going to subs like 2X or any of the female-centric subs? I don't. I have no interest in what they talk about on those subs.

Having women lurking, or even civilly commenting now and then, doesn't bother me. I bet there are some spiders watching me right now and I don't even know it, nor do I care. They don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with them, we're cool.

2QuietDude · 2017-09-24T21:11:38+00:00

Easy: ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME IM SORRY DID YOU SAY SOMETHING? ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

sonic1101 · 2017-09-25T01:55:47+00:00

They are trying to figure men out so they can further perfect their techniques of exploitation.

Sparkle-Luna · 2017-09-25T02:36:17+00:00

There's a lot of stupid posts here about "ME ME ME ME" and attention whoring(somehow), but I come here because I keep up with the manosphere(and femisphere) and I like to be up to date on whatever new topic or opinions men here might have.

I also visit mgtow.com and sometimes chat with (mostly female)content creators who speak about the manosphere like Smufkin TV

The only olive branch-type post that I have ever seen posted on this sub has people claiming lurkers are here for attention? Obviously any woman/girl that would even be here to read this obviously isn't easily offended or is pretty much indifferent to mug-soggy-knees but this thread replies are seriously some of the dumbest shit I've seen on here.

No, there are no ulterior motives to people with different genitals browsing this subreddit. You'll have to forgive my tone since this thread does specifically call a portion of the audience out. (P.S. this subreddit is giving me a 503 posting error, not sure why)

2017-09-24T22:15:44+00:00

they want EVERYTHING AND MORE!!!!!!!!

2017-09-25T01:01:44+00:00

Feminists cunts and social justice bloggers need content to show what a cesspit MGTOW is. They will find that one alt-right/white supremacist/rapey post and use that in their next article.

slappydapussy · 2017-09-25T07:11:55+00:00

So, erh, uh, seems like you are inviting women to speak up and comment here at the MGTOW subreddit. Um, why? Don't we get enough of their hatred IRL? I think we do and we don't need them polluting this place with their nonsense. Please reconsider posts like this in the future as they and any reasons for their actions are nonsensical and therefore pointless to inquire about.

tbijou9 · 2017-09-25T12:16:24+00:00

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YouCanGoYourOwnWay_ · 2017-09-25T17:43:23+00:00

I made this login to reply. I usually only lurk because this is not a space for me.

I've been married for almost 20 years to an amazing guy. He is the smartest person I know, top of his field, physically strong. He would take you limb from limb if you tried to hurt me or one of our kids - but he would just laugh if I tried to make him sleep on the couch. He is also softer-hearted than I am. After all this time he is the only man I've desired since the day I met him, and I love him more now than when we married. When I see the internet talk about alpha/beta, red/blue-pill, I wonder where are the guys who won't take shit off anybody, but are still big-hearted?

I got interested in what men were really thinking about things after one of my friends got divorced. She was the breadwinner, and her husband quit working, got fat, didn't do anything around the house or with the kids, basically played X-box all day, and was kind of a needy, whiny twerpy guy. I was totally disgusted by his behavior, and also by how he went after her in the divorce - she gave him primary custody because he had spent the most time with the kids, was paying tremendous child support to him - and he still managed to take tens of thousands of dollars that wasn't supposed to be his.

What bothered me the most about this situation was realizing how much I had become like him as my kids went to school and I didn't have a lot to do all day, and we were living in a place where I couldn't work (visa status). How he was simply doing all the things women encourage each other to do in a divorce. I realized, why is this okay for women to do and not for men? Why was I so disgusted by what he was doing if I would applaud it in a female friend? Why was he so gross when we could reverse genders and it would look unnervingly like me? My thinking on all of this changed - and it was a huge wakeup call for me personally. I started thinking about how wrecked my father, my grandfather, and my FIL were by women, totally destroyed.

My own marriage had hit a low spot at this time, too. In the end, even though I thought I was being a great wife - I was faithful, and careful with spending, never said no to sex, kept the house clean, kept him totally supported & ready to go to work every day... he was still very unhappy, and I was unhappy because I felt I couldn't please him. He lost interest in me physically, and I got so depressed about this that I gained a lot of weight - which only made him less interested, of course.

What I wasn't doing was being strong enough emotionally and confident enough in myself to let him be himself. I wouldn't argue about anything he wanted to buy or hobbies he wanted to do, or ways he wanted to spend his time, I didn't try to control him in any way... but I was emotionally needy and kept him kind of drained. There wasn't room in our relationship for him to have a bad day and need emotional support because I took up all of that. I put my every emotion out there, begging for him to understand me and for us to somehow feel connected, and it never happened. He just pulled farther and farther away. Meanwhile I was pretty confused about how I could think I was doing everything right and he didn't appreciate or respect any of it. I was turning myself inside out to please him - but when you talk about how selfish women are? I was being selfish in the worst way, emotionally, without knowing what I was doing.

When I read here, I don't think, "aw you haven't met the right woman yet" because it took me 20 years to learn what I wasn't taught growing up, and I'm still learning. Now I'm trying to teach my daughter. I don't know many women who aren't kind of awful in some way. I look through our families and we have no good examples of women, really. Reading here gives me insight into what men are really going through - you're kind of the worst case scenario, so disgusted that you've walked away from women totally, so you're pretty honest about exactly why, not pulling any punches. You don't try to soften the blow because you don't care what we think - and there's a lot of value in that for women, if they can listen and not speak.

I've had a theory for a long time that men are the stronger gender physically, and women are the stronger gender emotionally. As in, a man could kill a woman with his hands... but a woman can break a man emotionally in no time at all. There is a lot of focus on men not hurting women physically, but women are not taught that this emotional strength means you can't wield it as a weapon. You have to use what you're capable of and be in charge of these emotions you're so good at identifying and understanding. The age of "venting" is completely destructive. The fact that I am emotionally stronger than my spouse means this is my primary job: to keep my shit together so that I can support everyone else emotionally. It means I can't take it personally when my husband snaps at me because he's had a long day (I have to step back and say, "do you need some time to yourself, or do you need me to put down what I'm doing and give you some attention right now?"). I have to realize that when he's had a horrible day and needs me to be there, he isn't going to tell me what happened - he needs me to rub his back and NOT make him talk about it and NOT make emotional demands on him. If he needs to be left alone, it means I need to leave him alone and not take it personally or be unhappy about it - if I just go make myself happy somewhere else, he will cheer up faster. It means when I am moody, I have to go for a run instead of trying to make my husband deal with it. In particular I have to set this example for my daughter and correct her when she misuses her "power". I can't fix the world, but I can work on myself and I can try to teach her a better way.

The hardest part of all is that when he has a complaint about me or my behavior, I have to take it, and just listen, and usually apologize, and not try to justify or turn it around or make it about his failings instead. And this might be the worst thing of all: that we women do this constantly to men, maybe daily. But when it is reversed we cannot deal with it at all. We can't self-analyze or take the criticism, at all. I'm trying to learn how. This is one thing I mean by women being emotionally stronger: I can take any conversation and flip it around on him. I have to make myself NOT do this. It is shameful how hard it is. It shames me that for nearly 2 decades he did not feel he could say these things to me at all, but I freely criticized him all the time.

FWIW, I think women were taught this by example at some points in history - but aren't now.

It's kind of shocking that my house isn't as well kept now (I'm retraining so that I can get a higher-paying job and contribute more financially, now that our kids are older), I'm not as beautiful as I was ten years ago, but my husband loves me more now than he ever has, and desires me more than ever (we have more sex now than when we were newlyweds!) simply because I'm learning how to use my emotional strength in the proper way. When I read MGTOW, the only thing I find sad is how we women are driving men to such an extreme by being so emotionally abusive. I don't think most women know how awful they're being - they haven't been taught what it means to be emotionally mature.

It also serves as a reminder to me, when I read here, to keep striving to be better, to not fall into old patterns. A great book that was recommended to me by a man and helped me to see what women can do to men (and how to be better) was this one.

Title	Women that subscribe or lurk here, why do you do it?
Author	DangZagnut
Upvotes	9
Comments	49
Date	September 24, 2017 8:30 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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