MGTOW2 is divided between the haves and the have-nots. Both sides think they are right and the other side does not understand their perspective.

The "haves" have experience with dating and relationships and went MGTOW because they didn't want to play the relationship game. The "have-nots" have never been in a relationship.

The "haves" believe that success in dating involves trying harder and being confident. The "have-nots" believe that no matter how hard they try they will never succeed even if they go to the gym and improve their personality.

The "haves" will respond to the "have-nots" like this:

Seriously the biggest thing is try.

Most incels are lazy.

How many of theses guys are working out on a regular basis? I bet very few. I am not saying working out to get a woman but to get self confidence which helps. If a guy can not do that they are not motivated to do anything else to get dates.

If you do not want to put the effort how can a woman want you? You guys just bunch lazy cry babies.

The "haves" feel that the "have-nots" are extremely lazy people who just don't try hard enough. A person who is a "have" might have failed when they first started out but they saw enough success with dating that they believe in the value of hard work. They look down on the "have-nots" and try to push them away from MGTOW because a "have" thinks the "have-not" is just like him and needs to try harder.

The "have-nots" feel that the "haves" should show sympathy and try to understand their situation instead of providing useless advice. They have spent years working hard on self-improvement and still failed at the dating game. Most men actually work hard before giving up which is why they feel it is unfair when the "haves" call them lazy because the "have-nots" feel they have worked hard enough that the "haves" are gaslighting them by telling them "try harder".

No matter which group you are in, it is a waste of time to try to convince the other group they are right. The other side doesn't even try to understand your position. They just dismiss your concerns and try to put you down. I have gotten in too many arguments with the other side because I have explained my situation but they completely dismiss it and tell me I'm wrong and they're right.